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PIs and hanging

It has recently come to my attention that there is some controversy of PIs and hanging. This is something I should have already addressed, but I didn’t realize it was causing a problem.

This is a recent post of mine that addresses the issue; Back in condition: The high weight/fatigue struggle

Originally Posted by sparkyx
I’m coming in late here, but I’d like to comment. As the author of the PI approach, I must say that I often state that in hanging, I like Monty’s approach. I really don’t know how much PI approach directly applies to hanging.

I’m not a hanging expert, but it seems to me that the PI approach may not really translate over to hanging all that well. It seems to me that hanging is directly addressing connective tissue, all by itself. If thats the case, the PI approach may not apply. I think the PI approach really is addressing smooth muscle reaction during PE and its effect on gains.

It strike me that if you hang, to stretch or effect the connective tissue, then use ADS to control contraction due to smooth muscle insult, you will be using a completely different set of guidelines.

If that is correct, it probably IS counter productive to take any time off, that constant ADS between heavier stress is probably more effective than time off where smooth muscle could contract and hold the micro tears in a contracted state, allowing gains to be lost and even become shorter than before.

The only way I see time off being productive is if you hold it in an extended state with ADS until healing is done, then time off as a decon to reset on a cellular level.

I hope this is helpful and I am happy to answer any questions to the best of my ability.

Not a question-, just a semi-realted comment- when I’m in a hanging/ ADS phase I generally find my PIs are pretty good- I primarily use morning wood as my benchmark.


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The real question for you hangers is, “when you are growing is there any correlation to good PIs, good EQ or does it have no bearing on growth?”

In other methods, contraction and decreased EQ is important because it not only indicates you being unrecovered from previous trauma, a contracted penis, I suspect, is holding the tissue in a shortened state while it heals, and is counter productive.

With hanging, which I think tends to be less traumatic to smooth muscle (per force unit), you can overcome the effects of contraction with ADS, therefore I don’t think neg PIs and decreased EQ has the same significance. That however is just speculation on my part because my hanging experience is limited and there are many hangers that find time off counter productive.

So the question remains, do you get good growth despite neg PIs and decreased EQ or does it have a significant impact on growth.

Sorry- I’m having a ‘slow’ day.


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I agree with your quoted comment in post #1 sparky. I’ll have more to say later, but for now I want you to know that the understanding expressed in that post would have made MX very happy. And that IPR systematics can still be utilized to good effect with hanging and fascial displacement, but that yes, as you’ve indicated, the PI model of system monitoring which applies so well in the vascular tissues does not as well work in the collagenous ones.

More to follow.

Specific questions encouraged.


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I’d say I’ve had steady growth over the past 8 months I’ve been hanging despite any and all PI’s. Of course, there’s been varying soreness, retraction, and measurements, but the net effect has been increased BPEL and BPFSL. This is with rest days only when I’m too busy to hang (not often) and at least 2 hours a day all other days.

I think more is more when it comes to hanging. Even if it’s sore and beaten it’s good to get in a few sets, maybe at a reduced weight.

lostracco


"HALT! This is a no-turtle zone."

5/14/09 - BPEL 7.0" BPFSL 8.25" EG 4.5"

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First of all, welcome Xeno.

Let me say that I think the IPR system represents a significant landmark in PE. The only complaint I have is that we haven’t had the opportunity to really dig in and pick your brain on many of the critical points. I am very excited that hopefully that will be rectified here.

One of the critical points in my mind is finding the right amount of stress to BEGIN gains with the IPR system. It seems that those that fail, fail primarily due to the inability to START gains. All the rest of the system falls to waste if gains aren’t started.

What are your thoughts on how one would go about finding a level of stress that would be appropriate and why do you think some fail to see gains with hanging?

Second, I have heard many guys talk about how hanging never worked for them, no matter how much wt they used and no matter how long they hung. Could you address that please. Also feel free to present it in a manor you are comfortable with, but please follow with a simplified explanation if possible.

Thanks!

>>>”when you are growing is there any correlation to good PIs, good EQ … ?”

In my experience, no. I think it’s cause for concern if hanging is leading to serious erection problems or other penile-health decrements, but I don’t think hangers should be guided by PIs in general. I agree with Lostracco’s “more is more” principle, within reason (i.e., without injury). I’m also of the unorthodox opinion, based on my own experiences, that hanging is pretty darn low-risk, even if one has never “conditioned” via manual exercises, as long as it’s begun at low weights for short times. Hanging was my first form of PE.

Originally Posted by xenolith
I agree with your quoted comment in post #1 sparky. I’ll have more to say later, but for now I want you to know that the understanding expressed in that post would have made MX very happy. And that IPR systematics can still be utilized to good effect with hanging and fascial displacement, but that yes, as you’ve indicated, the PI model of system monitoring which applies so well in the vascular tissues does not as well work in the collagenous ones.

More to follow.

Specific questions encouraged.

Xeno - why do you keep mentioning MX?

Speak for yourself!


Later - ttt

Originally Posted by sparkyx
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Let me say that I think the IPR system represents a significant landmark in PE.


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Link please. - Thank you.


Later - ttt

Originally Posted by Para-Goomba
>>>”when you are growing is there any correlation to good PIs, good EQ … ?”

In my experience, no. I think it’s cause for concern if hanging is leading to serious erection problems or other penile-health decrements, but I don’t think hangers should be guided by PIs in general. I agree with Lostracco’s “more is more” principle, within reason (i.e., without injury). I’m also of the unorthodox opinion, based on my own experiences, that hanging is pretty darn low-risk, even if one has never “conditioned” via manual exercises, as long as it’s begun at low weights for short times. Hanging was my first form of PE.

Thanks Para.

I have done very little hanging and stretching, but from my limited experience I also found it led to far less neg PIs than more tunica loading PE methods.

It really isn’t until recently that I have begun to conclude that smooth muscle plays a large part in neg PIs and decreased EQ. It make sense that methods that “load” the tunica also put more stress on the smooth muscle.

As I have stated above, when hanging has been brought up, that I usually deferred to Monty’s approach. I have always suspected that PI didn’t translate well over to hanging, which is why I would defer.

I never suspected until recently that the PI concept was causing problems or a schism here, but now that is has been brought to my attention, I think it is a great opportunity to look at why it does or doesn’t apply to the different approaches, and thereby building our knowledge base a bit larger.

I think we are getting closer to a Unified PE Concept.

As of right now, I think (as stated above) it is two major categories, one where smooth muscle response is critical and one where it isn’t, such as hanging.

For smooth muscle dependent PE, then the PI approach is helpful. For connective tissue dependent PE such as hanging, those guidelines may be either non applicable, partially applicable or actually counter productive.

The more you guys report your experiences with hanging and observation of PIs and how they did or didn’t effect gains…the better!

Thanks to everyone!

Originally Posted by lostracco
I’d say I’ve had steady growth over the past 8 months I’ve been hanging despite any and all PI’s. Of course, there’s been varying soreness, retraction, and measurements, but the net effect has been increased BPEL and BPFSL. This is with rest days only when I’m too busy to hang (not often) and at least 2 hours a day all other days.

I think more is more when it comes to hanging. Even if it’s sore and beaten it’s good to get in a few sets, maybe at a reduced weight.

lostracco

One of my theories has been that partial erections or full erections at nite help cement gains. Its very much like ADS, but the nite version of it.

Have you had periods where EQ was so bad that you had shrinkage even at nite, and if so, did that effect your gains during that time?

I’ll try to answer that the best I can.. even though I really don’t know if it turtled or shrunk at night.. I was asleep.

Sometimes I’ll wake up with a partial erection.. haven’t woken up with a full one in a while…

I do apply a light wrap and night and bed fowfer.. this usually corrects any turtling.. and helps it heal moreso extended than turtled.

Overall EQ while hanging has actually been very poor. I can barely get it up during sex.. when masturbating I can get it there for a few minutes then it goes away. This is probably half psychological, considering much of my focus has been devoted to increasing penis size recently, and sex is like the “final exam” but other members have speculated that hanging kills EQ. At least, until you stop your hanging program, cement the gains, and decon.

Anyone else have really bad EQ while hanging?

lostracco

lostracco


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5/14/09 - BPEL 7.0" BPFSL 8.25" EG 4.5"

1/1/10 - BPEL 7.5" BPFSL 9.0" EG 5.0" - GOAL

So far, I have always had very good EQ ( when I want it, I’m too old for the spontaneous ones) and night wood with my routine of hanging, stretching, kegels and jelqing. I feel strong night wood is a good indicator of my PE health.

Shunga


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