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Since my LOT is 8 o’clock… I guess I need to be doing more SO and OTS hanging to place more load on the tunica.

Never having done OTS hanging I needed something to drape over my shoulder. After rumaging around I came up with a VERY good device! A golf bag shoulder strap! One end has a clip, the other holes for a buckle. The strap itself is wide and well padded and of course designed to carry a full bag of clubs, balls and misc golf stuff… way more than hanging weight. Anyway I am using it as I type and so far so good although this is not the most comfortable hanging position!

Also, a note on the LOT theory. At first I was puzzled about why LOT would indicate what it does and after thinking about it realized that the lower the penis angle the more the ligament would be effected. If the ligament is stopping the penis from being pulled out then there is no strength left to pull it back. If the tunica is stopping it then you can pull it back. This is actually ANOTHER good reason NOT to get surgery to cut the ligament. If a patient has a low LOT and has his lig cut he would probably gain nothing but pain and disfigurement :(

Anyway, hope this helps.

NE,

>Since my LOT is 8 o’clock… I guess I need to be doing more SO and OTS hanging to place more load on the tunica. <

Hmm, you still have gains from lig stretching. I really want more information on how much gains affect a change in LOT, ie how much potential lig stretch there is between 9 and 6 for instance. But whatever, I think you should scrape all you can from BTC before moving to tunica work.

>Never having done OTS hanging I needed something to drape over my shoulder. After rumaging around I came up with a VERY good device! A golf bag shoulder strap! One end has a clip, the other holes for a buckle. The strap itself is wide and well padded and of course designed to carry a full bag of clubs, balls and misc golf stuff… way more than hanging weight. Anyway I am using it as I type and so far so good although this is not the most comfortable hanging position!<

Excellent idea. You are right, OTS is really awkward, I prefer SO with a fulcrum.

>Also, a note on the LOT theory. At first I was puzzled about why LOT would indicate what it does and after thinking about it realized that the lower the penis angle the more the ligament would be effected. If the ligament is stopping the penis from being pulled out then there is no strength left to pull it back. If the tunica is stopping it then you can pull it back.<

Right on. A kegel pulls the tunica back into the body slightly, if the ligs are taking the stress of the stretch the kegel can not cause tug back.

> This is actually ANOTHER good reason NOT to get surgery to cut the ligament. If a patient has a low LOT and has his lig cut he would probably gain nothing but pain and disfigurement <

Maybe not, because there will still be some inner penis to pull out.
It always surprises me that people consider surgery, I mean, I know it can work and has worked for some people, but I really dont like the thought at all. I would rather attach a device to my dick and hook a 35 pound weight to it, anyday.

May try the golf idea thing. I dont play golf though, I think it is boring!

SS4

I would be open to other suggestions on straight up hanging. I can’t place a pulley or anything similar in the ceiling or walls, and I want to try and avoid the OTS with straps etc. I have even sat on the floor for half a minute while hanging SO to get the different feel, but obviously this is not what I have in mind.

The best solution I’ve come up with so far is sitting back to front on a chair, however, the chairs I have aren’t exactly the most appropriate, although it does solve the problem of counterbalance I have experienced while hanging SO.

So I’m open to thoughts.


Ciao

I have a small hook screwed into the wall at about standing penis height. I hang a pulley with a cord through it from the hook. Using this pulley system i can sit in my swivel chair facing the wall and pull SO at different angles by swiveling and tilting the chair. I also sometimes stand facing the wall, sometimes turning slowly from side to side. When I am through the pulley unhooks and is stored with the bib. the hook is pretty discreet, but you could hang something else from it to disguise its real use.

my favorite new stretch is an OTS style stretch, laying flat on my back with my head pointing up toward the pulley (far enough away so that i am not looking straight up at the underside of the weights. i can’t imagine a more compromising position to be found dead in if they slipped.) In this relaxed state, i can feel the stretch from the attached hanger through the base of my penis and down through my perinium almost to my anus. I can also kegel with a lot of force against the weight (currently at 20lb., though i worked up to this weight slowly from 7lb.), and then relax the kegel to intensify the stretch. The stretch is more conrollable than traditional OTS, and i feel that lying in this relaxed state helps you to focus on relaxing the surrounding tissue and increases the stretched area.

i’m still unsure about the application of this LOT theory. i tend to go more by what feels right, which may or may not be a great idea. but it any case, this stretch feels like it effects a greater area of tissue. if all of this tissue has growth potential, then the more tissue stimulated nby the stretch, the more potential for gains, right?

also, not sure why you can’t hang a pulley from the wall, but another alternative is to clamp a pulley to some immobile object at a similar height, check the hardware store for quick release clamps, and get a pulley with a somewhat large diameter and sooth turning action, preferably with bearings. i had a small cheap pulley that would stick and then let go, causing a jerk in the stretch. (i’m the only jerk i want in the stretch.)


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The problem is basically I don’t have a wall. ;)

Screws for glass (please note = window) have not been invented as far as I know, and the ceiling is that ‘fake’ ceiling that doesn’t hold anything. I’m looking at redistributing the office so that my desk is below a beam, but it may look pretty stupid.

But thanks for the idea. I’m also looking at screwing a vertical bar to the side of my desk to rig up a pulley system, but I’m not much of a handyman.


Ciao

Well, I just discovered a very good solution to mounting a pulley to glass. Locate a windshield mount for a writing pad (or other device). These mounts have a 2.5” diameter suction cup with tightening screws to increase the suction cups adhesion. When properly attached to glass they can support over 75 pounds!!!

I am using one as I write this. It is attached to the underside of a glass table and I am using it for SO work.

Also, with regards to the LOT theory and the tissues effected: If the ligament is taking any part of the load, then by definition, some of the tunica is taking less. Working on the ligament is very effective for maximizing ones current penis tissue by allowing more of it to extend away from the body. Stretching the ligament AND all the other existing penis tissues to their existing maximum dimensions is a great way to make quick gains as no new tissue needs to grow. Once those gains are made… tissue growth (and more stretching) must happen to continue gains. It is also very possible (maybe probable) that once the existing tissue is stretched, new growth will occur even if the stretching is stopped. The body does like to maintain certain balances.

NE,

>Also, with regards to the LOT theory and the tissues effected: If the ligament is taking any part of the load, then by definition, some of the tunica is taking less. Working on the ligament is very effective for maximizing ones current penis tissue by allowing more of it to extend away from the body. Stretching the ligament AND all the other existing penis tissues to their existing maximum dimensions is a great way to make quick gains as no new tissue needs to grow. Once those gains are made… tissue growth (and more stretching) must happen to continue gains. It is also very possible (maybe probable) that once the existing tissue is stretched, new growth will occur even if the stretching is stopped. The body does like to maintain certain balances.<

Very well said.

Bigger

If you can lay on a bed, you can lay on your back and let the cord go up and under one of your arms, allowing the weight to hang over the side of the bed.


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BIB/ Not Enough,

>”Also, with regards to the LOT theory and the tissues effected: If the ligament is taking any part of the load, then by definition, some of the tunica is taking less. Working on the ligament is very effective for maximizing ones current penis tissue by allowing more of it to extend away from the body. Stretching the ligament AND all the other existing penis tissues to their existing maximum dimensions is a great way to make quick gains as no new tissue needs to grow. Once those gains are made… tissue growth (and more stretching) must happen to continue gains. It is also very possible (maybe probable) that once the existing tissue is stretched, new growth will occur even if the stretching is stopped. The body does like to maintain certain balances.”<

So in IOW, tunica stretching/hanging grows new tissue/dick specifically, where lig stretching/hanging just stretches existing tissue/dick?
Cool…another benefit of tunica work…..


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So in IOW, tunica stretching/hanging grows new tissue/dick specifically, where lig stretching/hanging just stretches existing tissue/dick?
Cool…another benefit of tunica work…..

BBS, what I am saying is that I believe PE to be a combination of growth and stretching. Stretching can occur WITHOUT growth but I believe that stretching will encourage growth. So, yes, stretching will give quick gains as no growth is required, however, ultimately continued work will create the conditions the body responds to by creating new tissue. Working on the ligs will have this effect as will working specifically on the tunica. Stretching/hanging above your LOT will be working the full length of the tunica while stretching/hanging below your LOT will focus on your ligs and the tunica between the lig attachment and the glans.

One common occurence from lig work, usually BTC hanging, over time the base of the penis increases in girth. This may be the result of several things. Stress to that part of the penis is adapted to by the body by growth. The CC and CS inside the body are thicker BEFORE PE and as they are extended create the girth gain. And, the ligs themselves attach to the penis and are additional tissue underneath the skin.

Hopefully, I have left the impression that PE is the result of many factors.

NE and BIB,

A couple of things:

1.)But say you have a very low LOT of like 6 or so, you would have to be hanging between the cheeks and wrapped around the top back of your shoulders (if that makes sense) for you to hit the ligs right?

2.)What I think you are trying to say is regardless of your LOT both parties should do tunicae work AND lig work right???

3.)I will add this too: Before I took sone time off I had gotten up to about 7 inches ELBP, hanging only BTC even with my low lot of 5-6. Since my time off, those gains have shrunk back to about 6 1/4-61/2 ELBP. Maybe more work was need to cement those gains (since you say lig work is just stretching) but judging from this example, I think the only way for permanency is new tissue growth. That is why when you say tunicae work leads to new tissue growth I am very intrigued. (It may be a very good thing that I have a low lot then, because physiologically tunica work would be the only work for me, especially for permanent gains)


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Correct having a very low LOT makes it harder to place stress on the ligs.

What I am saying is lig work and tunica work both have good benefits. If your LOT is very low… it would probably be very hard to place enough load on the ligs to make quick gains. Under this situation hanging/stretching positions other than BTC may have the most benefit. If you can hit both… do it.

As far as your gains being temporary… I agree that this would indicate stretch only and the return to pre-stretched size. Your question or inference that stretching alone would never be permanent is IMO not correct. If the tissue is stretched consistently, for a long enough period of time, the stretch should remain. Each individual is different in both the amount of available stretch and the effort required to cement the stretch. For me, even if was temporary requiring maintenence… that is still BETTER than no gain at all. My own gains were quick and seemed to be just stretch but even with periods of no PE I have not lost them. Did I grow new tissue? Probably at least some.

NE,

In conclusion low LOTers should hit the tuinca hard, once this is nice and stretched out (longer), go back and hit the ligs which should now be easier to get to due to the increased tunica length. End of story correct?


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