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I appreciate that you apologize. Now, I have done way more than 100 hours of hanging and used way, way more than 12 pounds; actually I have hung over 66 lbs from my penis, if that gots some meaning. Of course you are free to not believe it.

But let me ask you: how much experience gots Rootsnatty, who agrees on you on what is said in that thread? How much Serenity, how much Cantlook? So, you can notice that if you agree with somebody, not necessarily this is due to his better practical experience. You can also notice that I have never said anything about yours or Rootsnatty PE experience. When opinions are backed up with a good argument or sources, I don’t think it really makes much sense to throw ‘direct experience’ in, because on the Internet anyone can claim to have the best direct experience, and because personal experience doesn’t say much that can be generalized.

Something to think about…

As is the case with most threads here, it is rare that a thread starts on a topic and stays on that topic for long, that can work for and against as it may introduce new information to someone while at the same time hiding information from someone not interested in the thread title.

The thread mentioned, started out about hanging at high angles, yet has gone on to debating effects of surgeries as well as going into great amount of detail about anatomy, which is all information that can be applied to many other theories and other forms of PE.

It was pointed out that some theories requires great amounts of time to test. I believe if we can debunk a theory that will waste members time and point them in a more efficient direction than I believe that is the point of sharing the information and experiences.

We all PE for ourselves but we post at Thunder’s to advance the art of PE.

Cantlook I have no problem with debunking a theory. But I have read many posts from people that hang at higher angles and gain. So it leaves me with two choices. I believe the people that are debunking the theory and basically now have maybe hundreds of people that are lying or the theory hasn’t been debunked and now I can believe the people that have reported success hanging at higher angles.

If we aren’t going to count user experiences then we should get rid of all progress logs here and tell people they can’t talk about any of their gains.

Are you referring to this?

Well, I have not read of hundreds of people having tons of length gains hanging or stretching at high angles; I confess I have read more posts like this

Gaining girth from OTS hanging

Now, I’m not going to say that, basing on this, I am right and you are wrong. But I don’t think you can seriously say that I just imagine things and write them down.

Most of the posts I read are on a site dedicated to hanging. Now I suppose since it isn’t this site then all posters there are liars.

To be honest, I don’t know much about other PE forums. Some mods here are members of other forums and it isn’t our habit to badmouth others forums. The more info you can get, the better. Personally, I like this forum because you can find many different opinions. Just to make an example, my friend and mod Dino9x7 would probably disagree on 90% what I think, on the hanging field or other fields as well, yet we are friends and each one consider the other an asset for the forum.

Dude, great post. I think as long as the discussion stays civil all the members can only benefit.

I remember a couple years ago I started a thread about whether I should add more hanging sets or add an extender. It stayed on that topic for a very short time and soon deformation mechanics, viscoelasticity, and the benefits of stress relaxation-based stretching were being discussed. Somehow it ended up in the “Cream” forum. This was definitely due to the contributions and discussions of the members who posted there which had strayed quite far from my initial question but had examined even more important subjects.

Really cool how that happens, and valuable.

Of course you get the flip side where threads get off topic with subjects like music and the weather, but I think you mods do a relatively good job of keeping that under control.

The debate was, as I understand it, what element (unfortunately is hidden from plain sight) is actually allowing gains. Ligs or tunica , etc. No one is saying that penis aren’t getting bigger and that people are lying. Maybe they just don’t really know why? I know a lot of people who stand up for things without really understanding them. If I am wrong about something that doesn’t make me a liar for believing it, until I find out for certain differently. Problem is that some people never look closer, and until they decide to spread the word as gospel, that’s not a problem. People can believe whatever they want. I am always questioning things and even open minded to other possibilities of things I think I know for certain, which is not a lot. (:

There are multiple debates going on but the part that I was talking about was marinera’s comment

The original poster of this thread has stated that he is switching to a higher angle. Regretfully I just read marinera’s comment from another thread and decided to bring that part of the discussion over here. I personally just feel the comment should be prefaced with a statement that says in my opinion instead of just saying it like it is matter of fact. That is what I am referring to as saying something is gospel. Even though I usually repeat things that I have read I do place the disclaimer that I don’t have experience at that angle and that technique and this is what I have read. I never intend what I say to be taken as gospel.

OK let’s put this to rest. Tunica vs ligament. Let’s look at the underlying Structures. The tunica albuginea is made of 5% elastin and 95% collagen. The ligaments are. Also made of collogen. So I say that both can be stretched. And I will add more tonight

Well that escalated quickly

I hear what you are saying. I also go out of my way to make sure I am not coming across as a guru. I can’t speak for anyone but myself, but except for extreme cases, when anyone but myself is talking I take it with a grain of salt and assume they just forgot to include their own disclaimer. Especially with English being second language to a lot of members here.

For the record, I have yet to be swayed to thinking that gains are not possible pulling up, or at any angle. If the entire shaft of the penis grows in length through whatever form of PE, and I believe it does (otherwise I would expect it would thin as it lengthened) then all elements within the shaft are capable of withstanding tension and growing as a result. Pulling up or down may (and I use the term may loosely) focus more on the top or bottom tissues but the tension is going somewhere within the shaft and whatever tissues are taking the force should be growing. Unless there is some tissue that does not grow, in which case there would be a severe limit to any growth at all… in my opinion. ;)

No one said that are impossible, actually. Only that some angles are more effective for length than anothers. ;)

Disclaimer: I generally write what I think.

OK here is a new theory. Skin playing a role in angle. For me when I hang straight down I notice that the skin on the top of my shaft becomes very tight to being a little uncomfortable. But if I go straight out then everything feels more uniform and less tension in the skin. I can feel the difference in the tunica when I do that.

That is why many of us start our hanging career with a dedicated skin stretch for 1 to 2 weeks. We loosen up that skin in the base area. One way or another the skin is going to stretch but the dedicated stretch works for those of us who believe in divide and conquer.

If you think straight down makes the skin tight at the base of the shaft you should try BTC.