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Hi guys. I’ve been hanging 1-2 hours a day followed by an ADS to cement for a month now. Before that, I used an ADS for a month. I had an original goal to give 1000 hours to an ADS regimen. A strongly-pulled ADS regimen equivalent to about the intensity of an extender (2lbs). After about a month, I started hanging 6lbs in the morning while drinking coffee. The hang time and ADS time both went up over the last month. So, as you can see, my original goal modified some and I also measured yesterday at 500 hours ADS with about 24 hours hanging the 6lbs.

I gained nothing after all that work. Let me tell you, it was work. My story and pics are in the progress area for members. So, I have 500 hours left on my original goal and what I’ve been doing isn’t working at all. So, I’m considering modifying my hanging/ADS regimen for another 500 hours and seeking your advice is part of that. I’d sure appreciate some input especially from those who’ve been in my place or had very slow progress until you did something else. Thanks guys.

Monty71466 I know that with a hanger I didn’t gain till I hit 10 lbs. I don’t have as much experience with an ADS so I don’t know.

However, my primary concern is I know most guys don’t gain at such a low hanging weight. For many guys 10 lbs is the minimum. I believe the majority of people would start gaining from 10 lbs to high teens if we plotted it on a graph. Regretfully I don’t think this kind of data has been collected.

Also it is hard to say that an ADS is doing the exact thing an extender is and I am not sure about the equivalent amount of tension between your ADS and people that have gained with an extender. People with extenders talk about having their penis stretched to a certain point in conjunction with the tension level. I am not sure your ADS is replicating that.

For me and hanging it was at least 6 weeks before I started seeing gains. I don’t know if I would have ever seen gains at 5 pounds and if I would have, I suspect it would have been on a steep curve. Not a simple double the time at half the weight equation.

I believe you had had quite a bit of on and off PE experience like me. This could mean it will take a bit more tension before you get those initial “back at it yet again” gains.

I know if I was hanging I would be adding 1 pound a week and working on technique. Once I get to 10 lbs I would be going up 15% as long as fatigue isn’t causing me to lower weights early in my routine. If I am getting fatigued then I would stick with that weight for the week.

Now if the hanging part of it seems like lots of work I would be looking at why. Is it due to pain? Then you need to work on technique or be careful at your hanging progression of adding weights or sets.

If the hanging seems like lots of work because you are bored out of your mind then look at modifying your surroundings and make hanging a multitasking objective with hanging the secondary goal to something else. Reading the paper, on the computer, watching TV, studying, playing the guitar, video games. Really there is a lot you could do with that time.

If hanging is not what is making this seem like lots of work and it is the ADS part of your time you probably need to talk with other people who use an ADS for that amount of time and see if they can offer any suggestions.

There are many people here that use an extender or ADS and I know that it is also a secondary thing to their day to day routine. There was a RN here that wore his extender or ADS on shift while he was working. That should give you an idea of how this shouldn’t feel like “all that work”.

I say this because to me the beauty of hanging and extender/ADS work is the ability to multitask. It frees up your stretching hands to live life. When you realize that you are doing things you would normally do and you just so happen to be growing your penis at the same time it takes a way some of that need to feel that you must grow your penis within a certain time frame. It is great to have positive reinforcement and see gains. It could just be that you aren’t at the right weight/tension or amount of time yet.

I just would hate to think that you might quit and your gains maybe where just a month down the road or maybe just an additional 7 lbs away.


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BH,
Been hanging parallel BTC for 7 weeks, 10hrs a week and up to 21lbs.

No gains at all. Why? Should I do straightdown? Or perhaps SO? Parallel BTC for me is the hardest and some gains would be encouraging. Your thoughts or anyone else would be appreciated

If I’m reading you right Monty71466, you did a month of strictly ads followed by a month of hanging 6lbs. combined with the same ads?

Considering the debatable advantage of ads in the first place, to me the only PE I really see that might make a difference is the month of hanging, which is quite possibly too soon to know if it is or isn’t working and too soon to worry or change things too drastically. In my opinion, at least three months is a good guideline on deciding to change things up.


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Originally Posted by cantlook
If I’m reading you right Monty71466, you did a month of strictly ads followed by a month of hanging 6lbs. combined with the same ads?

Considering the debatable advantage of ads in the first place, to me the only PE I really see that might make a difference is the month of hanging, which is quite possibly too soon to know if it is or isn’t working and too soon to worry or change things too drastically. In my opinion, at least three months is a good guideline on deciding to change things up.

Agreed completely.


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Originally Posted by NomanNY
BH,
Been hanging parallel BTC for 7 weeks, 10hrs a week and up to 21lbs.

No gains at all. Why? Should I do straightdown? Or perhaps SO? Parallel BTC for me is the hardest and some gains would be encouraging. Your thoughts or anyone else would be appreciated

First a few questions.

Where you hanging other angles prior to BTC? Did you just start hanging 7 weeks ago? If so you know that is very aggressive in adding on weights and sets.

Now that you are at 21 pounds how many sets have you put in at 21 pounds? Do you have any sort of break down in regards to sets and weight at those sets?

How are you measuring? BP, NBP, or both?

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Not 100% sure what parallel BTC is but I believe it is what I am doing also by lying down in the bed so pelvic area is parallel to floor. To me this is the most extreme BTC but just want to check if it is what you are doing.

We are all different so it might take a higher amount of weight and time for you.

I know people debate the value of LOT. Forgetting LOT but focusing on the other 2 tests, could you tell me what your penis exit point is and how much inner penis you can palpate? If you are not sure about them they are on Bib’s forum under the Basic category under the thread “mirror and palpation test”.

I would appreciate if you can take a look at those tests partly because I am really thinking that the exit point has an effect on ease of gains.

If you do buy into LOT or the other theories then it might be time to change angles. However, I would be very surprised if straight down would be more effective than BTC.

If you do those tests and you are palpating less than an inch of inner penis or your exit point is very low I would probably be changing angles. Especially looking into fulcrum hanging.

I have no experience personally with fulcrum hanging and upper angle hanging but I know from what I have read it seems to take more time and with upper angles more weight to produce results.

Now if you don’t believe in the theory behind those tests you still might want to hang at different angles than BTC. I just think the data would be nice to collect in regards to your results or lack of.

Again if you could advise on those 2 tests it would be great.


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First a few questions.

“”Where you hanging other angles prior to BTC? Did you just start hanging 7 weeks ago? If so you know that is very aggressive in adding on weights and sets.”“

>>No just started hanging 7 weeks ago and yes I pushed to be at 21 lbs. <<

“”Now that you are at 21 pounds how many sets have you put in at 21 pounds? Do you have any sort of break down in regards to sets and weight at those sets?”“

>>I do as follows.. First set 21lbs, second set 19lbs, then drop to 15, third set 15 lbs then drop to 12 and last set 15lbs then stay to 10lbs. All this when the
Fatigue kicks in after the first set. I do at least 10 hours a week. <<

“”How are you measuring? BP, NBP, or both?”“

>> 6.0 BPFL and 5.5 BPEL<<

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“”Not 100% sure what parallel BTC is but I believe it is what I am doing also by lying down in the bed so pelvic area is parallel to floor. To me this is the most extreme BTC but just want to check if it is what you are doing.”“

>> Parallel BTC is me laying down on a coffee table with my feet on a chair, so yes this is the most extreme angle to BTC.<<

We are all different so it might take a higher amount of weight and time for you.

“”I know people debate the value of LOT. Forgetting LOT but focusing on the other 2 tests, could you tell me what your penis exit point is and how much inner penis you can palpate? If you are not sure about them they are on Bib’s forum under the Basic category under the thread “mirror and palpation test”.”“

>> Bib determined that I had a mid to high LOT so that is why I am doing BTC. Just wanted some more feedback to see if other people have experienced this or not.

As for the palpatation test, I really still cannot figure it out what I have. I also after I do my sets I used a ADS for at least 2 hrs to hopefully keep a stretch on the ligs.
I have been doing this for 7 weeks with no rest days. It is frustrating not to see any results. This week is when I went to 21lbs. The first 2 minutes are intense but then’
My body adjusts to the weight and the rest is relatively bearable and I ride the fatigue all the way.<< Thankyou for your support BH

I would appreciate if you can take a look at those tests partly because I am really thinking that the exit point has an effect on ease of gains.

If you do buy into LOT or the other theories then it might be time to change angles. However, I would be very surprised if straight down would be more effective than BTC.

If you do those tests and you are palpating less than an inch of inner penis or your exit point is very low I would probably be changing angles. Especially looking into fulcrum hanging.

I have no experience personally with fulcrum hanging and upper angle hanging but I know from what I have read it seems to take more time and with upper angles more weight to produce results.

Now if you don’t believe in the theory behind those tests you still might want to hang at different angles than BTC. I just think the data would be nice to collect in regards to your results or lack of.

Again if you could advise on those 2 tests it would be great.

If sd wont gain anything that btc will not.

Originally Posted by bhcentral
Monty71466 I know that with a hanger I didn’t gain till I hit 10 lbs. I don’t have as much experience with an ADS so I don’t know.

However, my primary concern is I know most guys don’t gain at such a low hanging weight. For many guys 10 lbs is the minimum. I believe the majority of people would start gaining from 10 lbs to high teens if we plotted it on a graph. Regretfully I don’t think this kind of data has been collected.

Also it is hard to say that an ADS is doing the exact thing an extender is and I am not sure about the equivalent amount of tension between your ADS and people that have gained with an extender. People with extenders talk about having their penis stretched to a certain point in conjunction with the tension level. I am not sure your ADS is replicating that.

For me and hanging it was at least 6 weeks before I started seeing gains. I don’t know if I would have ever seen gains at 5 pounds and if I would have, I suspect it would have been on a steep curve. Not a simple double the time at half the weight equation.

I believe you had had quite a bit of on and off PE experience like me. This could mean it will take a bit more tension before you get those initial “back at it yet again” gains.

I know if I was hanging I would be adding 1 pound a week and working on technique. Once I get to 10 lbs I would be going up 15% as long as fatigue isn’t causing me to lower weights early in my routine. If I am getting fatigued then I would stick with that weight for the week.

Now if the hanging part of it seems like lots of work I would be looking at why. Is it due to pain? Then you need to work on technique or be careful at your hanging progression of adding weights or sets.

If the hanging seems like lots of work because you are bored out of your mind then look at modifying your surroundings and make hanging a multitasking objective with hanging the secondary goal to something else. Reading the paper, on the computer, watching TV, studying, playing the guitar, video games. Really there is a lot you could do with that time.

If hanging is not what is making this seem like lots of work and it is the ADS part of your time you probably need to talk with other people who use an ADS for that amount of time and see if they can offer any suggestions.

There are many people here that use an extender or ADS and I know that it is also a secondary thing to their day to day routine. There was a RN here that wore his extender or ADS on shift while he was working. That should give you an idea of how this shouldn’t feel like “all that work”.

I say this because to me the beauty of hanging and extender/ADS work is the ability to multitask. It frees up your stretching hands to live life. When you realize that you are doing things you would normally do and you just so happen to be growing your penis at the same time it takes a way some of that need to feel that you must grow your penis within a certain time frame. It is great to have positive reinforcement and see gains. It could just be that you aren’t at the right weight/tension or amount of time yet.

I just would hate to think that you might quit and your gains maybe where just a month down the road or maybe just an additional 7 lbs away.

I so appreciate your thoughtful response buddy. I had planned on adding 1 lb a week and stop at about 10lbs or whatever I decide by then. I was above that before with the noose hanger. I surely agree now that 6lbs is not enough to be disappointed and quit. I’m also going to measure every 100 hours of ADS and post on TP. Hanging hours are included in the ADS hours for me. I have thoughts on the ADS still being beneficial. Extender work has “proven” successful if tension is held at about 2lbs for about 10 hours a day. I tried to replicate that with the ADS tension. I get some darn good tension on the ADS honestly, but I bet it isn’t consistent enough. Begs a question. Is it counterproductive or does it help cement hanging gains? Buddy, I’m not sure what you mean with the 15% part. If you want to elaborate on that one, I’d appreciate it. It was a whole lot of work because it took up over 1/2 of my day every single day. Hanging 1-2 hours in the am while wife is sleeping in. Taping every 2 to 3 hours because I have to pee. Soaking in warm water to help remove tape every time or pre/post PE warming. Logging every detail. Finding ways to hide what I’m doing from family. When in the ADS, it’s comfortable enough to not pay attention and I can go anywhere with it. The work is worth it. I’m feeling better about my re-attack now. I’ve done quite a bit of stuff off and on. But my ons are usually pretty intense, just obviously not intense enough. So, I hear you: Stay motivated, give it more time, increase weight, and seek more advice.

Originally Posted by cantlook
If I’m reading you right Monty71466, you did a month of strictly ads followed by a month of hanging 6lbs. combined with the same ads?

Considering the debatable advantage of ads in the first place, to me the only PE I really see that might make a difference is the month of hanging, which is quite possibly too soon to know if it is or isn’t working and too soon to worry or change things too drastically. In my opinion, at least three months is a good guideline on deciding to change things up.

You read me right. My thoughts were going into it with ADS performing the same function as the doctor-authored extender trials. Wanted to keep tension above 1200grams (2lbs or so) for more than 10 hours a day. I decided to tax the tunica/urethra with weight (hanging) strain and let the ADS keep them begging instead of letting them relax (cement) as an added measure. I am also going to heed your advice and continue. I surely feel sore using the ADS much of the time so I’m going to continue unless someone says, “Dude, don’t do it ‘cause…” ya know. And of course, the dude will have to have actual experience. Thank you sir for your response as well.

I wouldn’t be setting arbitrary time deadlines or weights. Don’t say I am only going to 10 pounds. The weight is just a tool to achieve results. Just like it isn’t a weight lifting competition. I am in no race to hang 30 lbs. Your mind should be on what weight will produce results as efficiently as possible.

6 lbs, 12 lbs and 18 lbs might all produce results. However, 12 lbs might be quicker than 6 lbs and 18 lbs might cause issues where you can only hang a limited amount of sets due to pain from moving up to fast. I don’t take the mentality of least amount of tension that produces results because 6 lbs might get you 1/8 of an inch that take 2 years. Where 12 lbs might get you 1/8 of an inch in 2 months. That is why I try for maximum efficiency but being realistic about my bodies limits. Risk vs reward.

In regards to 15% this is what I mean.

You add 1lb a week. At 10 lbs you add 15% a week. You continue with this until you feel fatigue in the first couple sets.

First weeks/months up to 10 lbs then 15% a week.

After that
11.5 lbs
13 lbs
15 lbs
17 lbs
20 lbs
23 lbs

The above is a rough guide. Now if you have skin difficulties then slow it down. If you are feeling fatigue and you are riding the weight down when you hang then stick with that weight until it no longer produces fatigue.

There will be times when you have great fatigue and success and the next day you can’t even get to the previous days weight. That is okay.

What I am trying to avoid is the skin being what is limiting me. When I push to hard to fast in sets and weights it is always my skin that reigns me in. If you build up slowly like this hanging should not be painful if you have the hanging technique down correctly

Huge disclaimer. No matter what advice I or others give you focus on getting a feel for your body. I want to be somewhat aggressive but I also listen to the warning signs that I am pushing to hard. These are things that being in tune to your body and experience will teach you.


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Last edited by bhcentral : 11-11-2014 at .

NomanNY
I couldn’t have added weight that fast. I personally would stop adding weight. If you are feeling fatigue and riding it downwards then stay at that weight. I have always taken fatigue as a very good sign.

Give the process a chance to work.

Some questions though.

How quickly are you hitting fatigue? (First set. Second set. 3 minutes into first set.)

Where are you feeling the fatigue? Can you describe the fatigue you are feeling?

Are you feeling any pain?

How is your skin holding up?


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BH.thankyou for your answer as always.. Yes I am a. Bit impatient and that us why I kept moving up. A little gain would be so encouraging to me and motivate me to keep it going. Anyway here are the answers you seek..
I start my first set 1 minute at 10lbs then go up to21lbs. The first two minutes into this I get skin burn and also feel the lig pull intensely. Then I ride this all the way into the 15 minute where I cannot take it anymore. The last 5 min I do SD at 15lbs.

Second set at 19lbs ride this until 10min then go down to 18 all the way down to 15. Again last 5 min I do 15 SD.

I keep this up starting a bit lower thru the last two sets and working down to last 10lbs.

What is fatigue for me? The sensation that I am looking at the clock and gritting my teeth knowing I cannot continue need a break or lower weight. No pain just the discomfort similar when weight lifting you know your muscle is exhausted.

My skin is holding fine. My head is a but numb but that goes away. If I do more than 5 sets it wears my penis down. I did 8 once in a row. I limit to 5 for two days and 4 sets fr five days. This gives me 10 hours a week.

About an hour of basic stretches gets my dick into the turgid stage which is when I think about leaving it alone. Thirty minutes in to a session I feel the elasticity, and have the good old jelly flaccid. This is the target right? Before your shaft starts resisting the stretch, and flaccid turtles. Then just keep hitting it that way as many times as possible.

Originally Posted by bhcentral
I wouldn’t be setting arbitrary time deadlines or weights. Don’t say I am only going to 10 pounds. The weight is just a tool to achieve results. Just like it isn’t a weight lifting competition. I am in no race to hang 30 lbs. Your mind should be on what weight will produce results as efficiently as possible.

6 lbs, 12 lbs and 18 lbs might all produce results. However, 12 lbs might be quicker than 6 lbs and 18 lbs might cause issues where you can only hang a limited amount of sets due to pain from moving up to fast. I don’t take the mentality of least amount of tension that produces results because 6 lbs might get you 1/8 of an inch that take 2 years. Where 12 lbs might get you 1/8 of an inch in 2 months. That is why I try for maximum efficiency but being realistic about my bodies limits. Risk vs reward.

In regards to 15% this is what I mean.

You add 1lb a week. At 10 lbs you add 15% a week. You continue with this until you feel fatigue in the first couple sets.

First weeks/months up to 10 lbs then 15% a week.

After that
11.5 lbs
13 lbs
15 lbs
17 lbs
20 lbs
23 lbs

The above is a rough guide. Now if you have skin difficulties then slow it down. If you are feeling fatigue and you are riding the weight down when you hang then stick with that weight until it no longer produces fatigue.

There will be times when you have great fatigue and success and the next day you can’t even get to the previous days weight. That is okay.

What I am trying to avoid is the skin being what is limiting me. When I push to hard to fast in sets and weights it is always my skin that reigns me in. If you build up slowly like this hanging should not be painful if you have the hanging technique down correctly

Huge disclaimer. No matter what advice I or others give you focus on getting a feel for your body. I want to be somewhat aggressive but I also listen to the warning signs that I am pushing to hard. These are things that being in tune to your body and experience will teach you.

Agreed. I think the increased measuring (not too often though) will help me measure weight progression. There has to be some logical approach and if my perception of fatigue isn’t producing, then an increased fatigue is needed. Remember, I had fatigue without gain for weeks this attempt without gain. About time, I set a goal of 1000 hours which basically equates to 4 months with what I was doing. 4 months is reasonable to me to see something positive under a specific regimen. Already, after 2 months, the focus has changed from ADS to hanging. So, change in regimen and new goals. I do get your point. Remain open and I will try my best for as long as I can. If I see zero gains at 4 months and then again 6 months, after increasing intensity, then obviously I’m not going to keep trying. On the flip side, if I’m gaining, I’m going to continue. Thanks again.

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