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My PE efforts - Is there hope?

My PE efforts - Is there hope?

Hi,

I’m going to post the answers in a new topic to keep each topic with it’s own replies and not deviate from the subject.

Originally Posted by bigblackstick
1.) what caused your “big loss”??

I’d sure like to know that. It’s in the hopes of getting at least a glimpse of some possibilities that I’m posting this.

Originally Posted by bigblackstick
2.) Let me getthis straight, you’ve put in more work, and lost size not gained? on top of what you already lost?

Yep. I know I really didn’t believe it too when I looked at the ruler. Had to measure about 5 times until the truth sunk in.

Originally Posted by Bib
Anything you need, I will try to help. You know I love you.

Thanks! Your patience and support is really apreciated.

Originally Posted by Bib
Give me your LOT and total history. How much total did you gain, length and girth, and what is your exact routine right now. Also include how long you have been doing it without gains and any other pertinent information so it will all be in one post.

Bigger

OK, my LOT is about 7:30. Right now my measures are:

BPFS - 22 cm (8.66”)
BPFL - 13-15 cm (5.12-5.9”) - depends on the weather
FG - 12-13cm (4.33-4.72”) - ditto
BPEL - 20 cm (7.87”)
BPEG - 14 cm (5.51”)

I started PEing on 11th April 2000. At that time I was 17.4 cm (6.85”) in length and 13.2 cm (5.2”) in girth. I did mainly manual exercises at that time, first normal stretching and jelquing, and after some of Big Al’s program exercises, until about December 2001 (with some months in between of no PE, specially around summer). At that time I was 21.3 cm (8.39”) in length and 15 cm (5.91”) in girth. Then I had 2 months lay off, and restarted on February 2002 with mainly hanging. On September 2002 I had to stop all PE efforts and registered in length 22 cm (8.66”) and no increase in girth (obviously, no girth work). I restarted PE with hanging again on March 2003 - 20 cm (7.87”) in length and 14 cm (5.51”) in girth. My major loss here. Kept my PE efforts until September 2003 when I had to stop again. At that time I was 20.3 cm (7.99”) in length and the 14 cm (5.51”) in girth. Restarted again on December 2003 with the size still intact. Measured this month (May 2004) and noticed I’m 20 cm (7.87”) x 14 cm (5.51”) again.

On the first period of PE, from April 2000 to December 2001 I did 1248 minutes (~21 hours) of PE. On the second period, from February 2002 to September 2002 I did 1207 minutes (~20 hours) of PE. On the third period, from March 2003 to September 2003 I did 1125 minutes (18h45m) of PE. On this fourth period, from December 2003 until my last measurement (May 2004) I recorded 2275 minutes (~38 hours) of PE.

My normal hanging workouts consisted of mainly hanging on the weekends, about 5-6 sets of 20 minutes, with increasing weight each week. This last month I started hanging mainly 4-5 times a week, 3 sets of 20 on the weekdays and 6-7 sets of 20 on the weekends.

Thanks again Bib, and anyone else, for your opinions and views on this subject,


PEace,

UIShrike

UIS,

First, I appreciate the detail in your report. Second, it might take a little time and dedication to get this straightened out. Please bear with me, keep the same good records, and let’s do some experimentation.

What angles have you been hanging at considering your LOT of 7:30?

It is obvious that you did not permanently deform your tissues with the amount of work that you did. But you did experience some deformation to get the higher measurements. It is interesting that you were able to make good gains with very little time invested. Are those time records the total time that you spent PEing for those periods? First period, 21 hours in 20 months, second period, 20 hours in 7 months, third period, 19 hours in 6 months, fourth period, 38 hours in 5 months?

What amount of weight have you been using, and at what angle of hang?

Bigger

Bib,

Originally Posted by Bib
UIS,

First, I appreciate the detail in your report. Second, it might take a little time and dedication to get this straightened out. Please bear with me, keep the same good records, and let’s do some experimentation.

I’m game. I’m just fortunate for your patience in dealing with this, so I’ll wait and experiment as long as you want. I just want to find what’s causing this, and with your help we might find it.

Originally Posted by Bib
What angles have you been hanging at considering your LOT of 7:30?

First hanging periods were mainly hanging either SO or BTC. Last week and this I’ve been hanging OTS or OTL (depending if I’m at the sofa watching TV or at the computer, respectively).

Originally Posted by Bib
It is obvious that you did not permanently deform your tissues with the amount of work that you did. But you did experience some deformation to get the higher measurements.

Yes, that was what I thought also. The gains I had weren’t permanent. That did depress me a little, in that I worked pretty hard those months, even though not the amount of time that some people are able to devote to PE (which unfortunately I’m not).

Originally Posted by Bib
It is interesting that you were able to make good gains with very little time invested. Are those time records the total time that you spent PEing for those periods? First period, 21 hours in 20 months, second period, 20 hours in 7 months, third period, 19 hours in 6 months, fourth period, 38 hours in 5 months?

That time is total work time, without rests or stops, or whatever. Like for instance, I may do 3 sets of 20 minutes hanging with 10 minutes between sets, which would amount to 80 minutes, though I only record the 60 minutes of actual time.

Originally Posted by Bib
What amount of weight have you been using, and at what angle of hang?

Bigger

OK, this last period I started with 5Kg (11 lbs) SO (haven’t hanged BTC for a long time), and last time I hung SO I did it with 10 Kg (22 lbs). OTS or OTL the same 10 Kg (22 lbs), though I’ll probably increase it for the next week.

Thanks again for your patience and help Bib,


PEace,

UIShrike

UIS,

>That time is total work time, without rests or stops, or whatever. Like for instance, I may do 3 sets of 20 minutes hanging with 10 minutes between sets, which would amount to 80 minutes, though I only record the 60 minutes of actual time.<

I am still unclear. So in the second period, 20 hours in 7 months, you hung for 20 one hour sessions? Third period, 19 hours in 6 months, you hung for 19 one hour sessions? Fourth period, 38 hours in 5 months, you hung for 38 one hour sessions?

Bigger

Bib

Originally Posted by Bib
UIS,

>That time is total work time, without rests or stops, or whatever. Like for instance, I may do 3 sets of 20 minutes hanging with 10 minutes between sets, which would amount to 80 minutes, though I only record the 60 minutes of actual time.<

I am still unclear. So in the second period, 20 hours in 7 months, you hung for 20 one hour sessions? Third period, 19 hours in 6 months, you hung for 19 one hour sessions? Fourth period, 38 hours in 5 months, you hung for 38 one hour sessions?

Bigger

Sorry, I did a little mistake in the first period counts. Gladly you had this doubt and I had to go and recheck my values. On the first period I did 3678 minutes of PE, not the previously mentioned 1248 (forgot to add the months before april 2001).

OK, I did an average of those periods, based on the records I have per month. Since there were some months in between those periods where I did no PE at all, it’s best that I present the values in the following manner:

April 2000 to December 2001 - 3678 minutes - Average for the 10 months of PE is 367.8 minutes
Feb 2002 to Sep 2002 - 1207 minutes - Average for 7 months of PE is 172.4 minutes
March 2003 to Sep 2003 - 1125 minutes - Average for 7 months of PE is 160.7 minutes
Dec 2003 to May 2004 - 2275 minutes - Average for 5 months of PE is 455 minutes.

That is, the average numbers per month are the total workout time I did per month. Sometimes I worked 2x per week, then I’d have 1-2 weeks of no PE, then I’d work another 3-4x per week. So it’s best to give the average number of worktime per month.

I don’t know if this is clear, I’m known for speaking too much and not saying enough meaningful things :)


PEace,

UIShrike

UIShrike, I really don’t think I can help you, but I just want to say you have a damn good attitude and keep wonderful records. I hope Bib helps you get this cleared up and I wish you the best of luck.

Alice

UIS,

I would say we need to communicate about this. Is the following correct?

>Average for 7 months of PE is 172.4 minutes<

So that is approximately 0.7 hours of PE per week?

>Average for 7 months of PE is 160.7 minutes<

About the same, a little less than 0.7 hours per week?

>Average for 5 months of PE is 455 minutes.

So that is about 1.76 hours per week?

I know you have told me how old you are, but could you refresh my memory please?

Bigger

Originally Posted by Bib
UIS,

I would say we need to communicate about this. Is the following correct?

>Average for 7 months of PE is 172.4 minutes<

So that is approximately 0.7 hours of PE per week?

Yep, by my calculations 43 minutes per week.

Originally Posted by Bib
>Average for 7 months of PE is 160.7 minutes<

About the same, a little less than 0.7 hours per week?

40 minutes per week.

Originally Posted by Bib
>Average for 5 months of PE is 455 minutes.

So that is about 1.76 hours per week?

1 hour and 54 minutes.

So it’s seems we’re on the same page here. By the looks of these numbers many people might think that I probably didn’t gain or lost size because I didn’t workout enough time, specially in comparison with some other “veterans” that hang almost daily. I could agree with that, if it weren’t for the case that I’m hanging more now that I hung previously, for more time, and previously I gained well and now I’m losing.

Originally Posted by Bib
I know you have told me how old you are, but could you refresh my memory please?

Bigger

I’m on the virge of 25 yo.

Thanks again Bib.

Originally Posted by Alice Hooper
UIShrike, I really don’t think I can help you, but I just want to say you have a damn good attitude and keep wonderful records. I hope Bib helps you get this cleared up and I wish you the best of luck.
Alice

Thanks Alice. Your support is very much appreciated. Regarding my attitude, I have to be like this, no use getting negative about this. If it works, great, if not, too bad for me. Gladly it works for others.

Thank you both,


PEace,

UIShrike

UIS,

>I started PEing on 11th April 2000. At that time I was 17.4 cm (6.85”) in length and 13.2 cm (5.2”) in girth. I did mainly manual exercises at that time, first normal stretching and jelquing, and after some of Big Al’s program exercises, until about December 2001 (with some months in between of no PE, specially around summer). At that time I was 21.3 cm (8.39”) in length and 15 cm (5.91”) in girth. Then I had 2 months lay off, and restarted on February 2002 with mainly hanging. On September 2002 I had to stop all PE efforts and registered in length 22 cm (8.66”) and no increase in girth (obviously, no girth work). I restarted PE with hanging again on March 2003 - 20 cm (7.87”) in length and 14 cm (5.51”) in girth. My major loss here. Kept my PE efforts until September 2003 when I had to stop again. At that time I was 20.3 cm (7.99”) in length and the 14 cm (5.51”) in girth. Restarted again on December 2003 with the size still intact. Measured this month (May 2004) and noticed I’m 20 cm (7.87”) x 14 cm (5.51”) again.<

>April 2000 to December 2001, 85.5 min/week, gained 1.54 in.

Break, no loss reported.

Feb 2002 to Sep 2002, 43 min/week, gained 0.27 in.

Break Sep 2002 to March 2003, lost 0.79 in.

March 2003 to Sep 2003, 40 min/week, gained 0.12 in.

Break, three months, gains intact.

Dec 2003 to May 2004, 1 hour, 54 min/week, lost 0.12 in.

I would say there is good news and bad news. First, it appears from your opening regimen, you made some fast, easy gains with little time invested. Non-conditioned tissues, responded well to a little work. Perhaps some gains due to better circulation. You kept these gains over a two month break.

Then you gained a quarter inch over a seven month period, working an average of 43 minutes per week. I would submit that something closer to 10 hours per week would have given much better gains.

Then it appears that during your big break, you lost much of what you had gained. Perhaps some of this is due to reduced circulation. IOW, you did permanently deform some tissues, which allowed you to keep some gains. But some of the loss could be from a return to pre PE state of the collagenous tissues, because they were not permanently deformed.

From there on out, your measurements only varied by 1/8 inch. This is well within the standards for a measurement error. I do not see where a gain or loss of 1/8 inch could be statistically significant. IOW, you have been treading water.

Recommendations:

You may be able to recapture some relatively easy gains through hanging, and a light jelqing program to return some possible circulation positives. But you will probably need to work up in the amount of hanging time. I have not heard of many, if any guys that have made significant post newbie gains through a program of hanging less than two hours per week.

There are 168 hours in a week. For most guys, at least ten of those hours are spent either in front of a TV or computer screen, or reading a book. With hanging, you can multitask and reap double benefits from that time.

I do not find it significant that you increased the amount of time to two hours per week from less than an hour per week. You were not making significant gains at less than one hour, and I would not expect much if any gains from increasing to two hours. Shoot for ten hours per week.

You have experienced the easy gains, and perhaps you became a little misguided in what is required for permanent collagenous tissue deformation. It takes a good amount of time and stress to deform these tissues. Other than the early gains most guys get, after that it requires dedicated work to continue gains. Time and stress.

First try to increase your time, number of sets, to equal at least ten hour per week. Then, move up in weight as needed to bring your penis to fatigue. Try to log as many hours per week as possible in this fatigued state.

Perform BTB jelqing between sets, and a 10-15 minutes light jelqing session after you finish hanging for the day. Hopefully, this will keep your circulation up to par.

Bigger

Originally Posted by Bib
I would say there is good news and bad news. First, it appears from your opening regimen, you made some fast, easy gains with little time invested. Non-conditioned tissues, responded well to a little work. Perhaps some gains due to better circulation. You kept these gains over a two month break.

Yes, the first few months don’t really count for my PE endeavours, since like you said, the gains were mostly from conditioning the penis.

Originally Posted by Bib
Then you gained a quarter inch over a seven month period, working an average of 43 minutes per week. I would submit that something closer to 10 hours per week would have given much better gains.

At that time, and until very recently, I was only able to workout that much or even less. Privacy issues, as well as time, prevented me from working out at full steam. Since right now the privacy issues are dealt with, I can focus more on the PE workouts. Unfortunately, due to my work schedule and feeding time, I’m only able (on week days) to hang between 6PM and 8PM, which gives 1h30m of total hanging time. After dinner (at 8PM) I can’t hang since it troubles my stomach (don’t know why, just know it happens).

Originally Posted by Bib
You may be able to recapture some relatively easy gains through hanging, and a light jelqing program to return some possible circulation positives. But you will probably need to work up in the amount of hanging time. I have not heard of many, if any guys that have made significant post newbie gains through a program of hanging less than two hours per week.

At this point that’s what I’m trying to do, to hang between 1 and 1 and a half hours per weekday, with more time on the weekends.

Originally Posted by Bib
There are 168 hours in a week. For most guys, at least ten of those hours are spent either in front of a TV or computer screen, or reading a book. With hanging, you can multitask and reap double benefits from that time.

That’s what I do. Either at the computer or watching TV, which I now have the privacy to be able to do. My only problem in not doing even more hours, is the hanging after dinner.

Originally Posted by Bib
I do not find it significant that you increased the amount of time to two hours per week from less than an hour per week. You were not making significant gains at less than one hour, and I would not expect much if any gains from increasing to two hours. Shoot for ten hours per week.

This last week I logged exactly 10 hours of total hanging time. This should be about the average I can now do. I’ll keep it up for some time to see how I improve.

Originally Posted by Bib
Perform BTB jelqing between sets, and a 10-15 minutes light jelqing session after you finish hanging for the day. Hopefully, this will keep your circulation up to par.

Bigger

Bib, I don’t know what BTB jelquing is. The light jelquing after the hanging makes sense, so I’ll incorporate that as of today.

Thanks again for your imense support and dedication. Your very informative post is save on my PC now, so I can read, and re-read later.


PEace,

UIShrike

Bib. You are a Saint.

BG


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