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More proof that long periods of hanging may be beneficial?

garethp, of the little scientific information that we can find about permanently elongating the ligs, we see that keeping the ligs uder a force for a long duration is superior for plastic deformation. For many reasons light weight or force is most functional for sustaining long duration sessions. So, I’m very interested in hanging light weights also, but I still acknowledge that successful gains have been made using moderate and heavy weights. To be honest, I’m searching for the most effective and safest method for PE, as many other members are. I also know that the amount of force required to rip the penis from the body would be very high, exceedingly above 20 lbs. , and PE veterans would be able to withstand even greater forces than men that have never tried PE.

In other words, choosing to hang 3, 5, 8, 10, 12, 15, or even 20 pounds is a reasonable option, if a man has gradually increased the weights and used caution.

See, What I found was a combination of what your talking about. Heavy hanging (10 to 20lbs) and light weights all day to retain the progress. And then the added benefit of being able to skip heavy hanging sessions without worrying about hitting a plateau from healing while in the relaxed state.


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Originally Posted by garethp
…Several months under traction can cause bones to grow, evening out unequal leg length for example…

Bones cannot be stretched. Once they calcify, they’re fixed in length. To lengthen bones they are first cut and then held apart at a precise distance. Soft tissue forms in the gap. The distance is increased daily by 0.040” - and the soft tissue is stretched. This is repeated until lengthening goals are met. At this point, the soft tissue will calcify into new bone.

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Somewhere in the beginning of either this or some similar thread, I saw an statement that a pulse load puts some different, and probably more heavy load upon ligaments, not allowing them to adapt. I have thought, what would happen, if we supplement common weight load with some pulsating load, provided, say, by a computer cooler with weight added onto one of fan’s blades to create eccentricity. A small pulse load, probably, can improve results.

Sorry for my English, haven’t been practising for quite long time.

Still, More Proof!

Hey guys, if you have yet to read this thread by hogman, I’d suggest that you take a look at it. The information also states that long-duration stretches cause more plastic deformation.

Here it is: High force versus Low force

Here is another link that I found that also provides info about long-duration stretches, and plastic deformation, which is basically permanent elongation in connective tissue (in biomechanics, its different in engineering mechanics, yet similiar).

This link is about 500 words long, and is written in a way that most of us can comprehend, and is not overly scientic.

For the most part, the doctor states that applying heat during long-duration stretches, with a low force, causes the most plastic deformation.

Here’s a quote:

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Lehman and associates (1970) studied the effects of heat and stretching on rat tail tendons.6 The results indicated that heating alone produced no significant elongation and that stretching alone produced no residual elongation. Significant elongation occurred if heat and stretch were combined. A greater increase in length was maintained if the stretch was held during the period of cooling since “reorganization of the tissues is thought to occur during the cooling period.”6 Overall, the most effective method of producing a plastic deformation of connective tissue was to apply a sustained stretch during the application of heat and to maintain the stretch during the period of cooling.

Similar experiments using rat tail tendons have been conducted by Warren et al (1976) regarding permanent elongation of connective tissue at various temperatures.16 The data showed that the application of low force over a long duration was very effective in producing slow elongation in the viscous elements, resulting in increased residual elongation. Furthermore, elevating tissue temperature and maintaining it prior to applying force was found to cause significantly less tissue damage. Lastly, the lower loads applied at elevated temperatures for prolonged periods were found to produce significantly greater residual elongation.16 The clinical implications of this study are three fold: first, stretches used to increase ROM should be held for prolonged periods; second, warming tissue prior to ROM exercises will cause less tissue damage; and third, stretching should be accompanied with the highest possible therapeutic temperature for prolonged periods to most effectively increase joint mobility.

Personally, I feel that this link just about warrants a thread of its own, but this thread is stickied, covers the same info, and has provided some great information, so I’m just adding to this great thread.

Oh, and here’s the link to that article. It is entitled Heat Application in Physiotherapy. http://www.activebodyclinic.com/core_Physio_heat.html

By the way, I’ve been wanting to write a thread asking, “is there a physical therapist in the house”? I did come across one member here in the last 4 years that claimed to be a physical therapist. Basically, by doing PE, we are performing a form of physical therapy on our penis. A biomechanics expert could possibly answer many if not all of our questions regarding frequency, time, weight, temperature, and rest.


Last edited by Kojack10 : 09-16-2007 at .

Originally Posted by Kojack10
Basically, by doing PE, we are performing a form of physical therapy on our penis. A biomechanics expert could possibly answer many if not all of our questions regarding frequency, time, weight, temperature, and rest.

Great post and a question I would also like to see answered by an expert.


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Adding heat before the stretch would increase flexibility, but I think adding heat DURING the stretch would be detrimental. This is true with rubber bands anyway. A warm rubber band will stretch further than a cold rubber band, but if you apply heat (hair dryer, etc) to an elongated rubber band - think weight attached to rubber band and other end on a hook - it will actually retract. This is because you increase the entropy of the system (rubber band) by adding heat. Since the rubber polymers are already stretched to their maximal length, and their alignment is linear (much like smooth muscle) the only way to increase the entropy of the system further is to have the polymers tangle amongst eachother, resulting in a shortened rubber band.


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Well, applying heat while stretching is not something that I’ve come up with off of the top of my head. Physical therapist do this with their patients in order to achieve plastic deformation in the connective tissues at lower levels of force.

On top of that, that scientific study mentioned above clearly states that elongation of the rat’s tail tendon was not achieved by heat alone, or stretching alone, and that both heat and stretching were needed to produce a permanent increase in length. It is called therapeutic heat.

Originally Posted by Kojack10

….that scientific study mentioned above clearly states that elongation of the rat’s tail tendon was not achieved by heat alone, or stretching alone, and that both heat and stretching were needed to produce a permanent increase in length. It is called therapeutic heat.

I did not read the entire study. Was there a comparison among three groups (stretch, heat only, heat+stretch)?


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I find myself sometimes entirely confused by scandalously poor use of written English! I wonder why everyone posts before checking. It makes sense to communicate with one another in a commonly understood way.

There seems to me an issue that separates hanging from stretching. What earth is the difference?

I use a noose round my glans and hang a casting I made using molten lead. It’s probably about 1 pound and I hang for 20 or 30 mins on and 10 mins off sometimes for three or four hours. I try to do this daily. There are very minute gains I have noticed but nothing you would write home about!

Does anyone else have experience with noose hanging they can tell us about.. If you are stretching then I don’t want to know. I want to know about noose hanging.What are your experiences. Stretchers please go and chat among yourselves or start your own thread.

Originally Posted by garethp
Does anyone else have experience with noose hanging they can tell us about..

Noose hanging is extremely dangerous and should not even be considered. Spent the time and at least make a suitable homemade hanger. There are plan all around this site, just search. Then again you can always buy a hanger as well if money is not an issue.

Bottom line stop hanging with a noose if you want to keep you penis.

This is really old old advice. Do a search on noose hanging and you’ll find stuff way back in the archives of history about how deforming noose hanging is. Besides 1 pound isn’t enough to produce any results. You’d be better off with some heavy duty “A” stretches.


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights

Originally Posted by garethp
I find myself sometimes entirely confused by scandalously poor use of written English! I wonder why everyone posts before checking. It makes sense to communicate with one another in a commonly understood way.


It’s true that some people are just dumb when it comes to writing English. But many members also use English as a second language, so even if they spell-check, their writing might be tough to decipher. Their opinions and observations are still useful though, so we’ll have to squint and scratch our heads a little more than we’d like to. In the grand scheme of everything, it’s worth it.

The physical difference between stretching and hanging: hanging is a continuous, compounding stress. Manual stretching is an intermittant, additive stress.


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Originally Posted by garethp
I find myself sometimes entirely confused by scandalously poor use of written English! I wonder why everyone posts before checking. It makes sense to communicate with one another in a commonly understood way.


I take the concept of being spelling impaired to epic proportions; not using spell check really isn’t an option for me. In spite of the care I take odd little errors sometimes slip past my proof reading.

Originally Posted by garethp
There seems to me an issue that separates hanging from stretching. What earth is the difference?

Would that, perhaps, be, “What on earth is the difference?” ;)


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Originally Posted by Monty530
Do a search on noose hanging and you’ll find stuff way back in the archives of history about how deforming noose hanging is.

I have done a search and founded nothing; can you add some link, please?

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