I’m new here and PE and not looking to start a big argument but how does anyone have slippage with the male hanger2? Unless you are really thin it should not be an issue. Even then I imagine you can bring in the nuts on the bottom and make it super tight. I do his recommend wrap amount of 9” of sweat shirt and 9” of ace sport wrap. I’m 5” thick and I can’t tighten it completely. I also get zero slippage. Even if I walk around no slip. I’m sure the BIB is a great product but to say male hanger is vastly inferior because it doesn’t have gel pads doesn’t make sense. It’s the same otherwise.