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I had a lot of fun putting this toy together. Maybe you’ll have some fun playing with it. Use your mouse wheel to scan through different settings. It almost creates an animation effect.


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Originally Posted by bluray
When surgeons cut the ligament guy’s can see up to an inch of new erect length.

Bluray, hate to keep picking on you but I’m just disagreeing. You LOT believers are subscribing to a train of thought without really having any data. I’ve had the “lig release.” There is NO RELEASE of inner penis. My doc had done thousands of them and NOT ONE released any penis. It’s a total misconception; all surgeons will agree unless they are enticing you to have the procedure and are of questionable integrity.

Modesto’s right. LOT is bunk.


Hog before: 6'' NBPEL; 5'' MSEG---->> Hog now: 7.3" NBPEL; 5 1/4" MSEG; 8.5 BPFSL

Originally Posted by ModestoMan
I had a lot of fun putting this toy together. Maybe you’ll have some fun playing with it. Use your mouse wheel to scan through different settings. It almost creates an animation effect.


It’s a cool simulator. It can be used to illustrate lig gains and it’s effects. For example if you use the default values, then look at the difference between lig length 0 and 80 (extreme case). It goes from 206 to 244 mm which means, if I’m not mistaken, that about 1.5 inches more of the penis have been made visible.

It’s also important to not get confused. Lig gains means a gain in the ligs and/or it’s effects not that the penis/shaft size has increased. The desired effect/goal is to make more of the penis visible. But every ones anatomy is different and so will the gains/effects also be.

Originally Posted by bubba77
Bluray, hate to keep picking on you but I’m just disagreeing. You LOT believers are subscribing to a train of thought without really having any data. I’ve had the “lig release.” There is NO RELEASE of inner penis. My doc had done thousands of them and NOT ONE released any penis. It’s a total misconception; all surgeons will agree unless they are enticing you to have the procedure and are of questionable integrity.

Modesto’s right. LOT is bunk.

Modesto is right but I have talked to a few guys that clearly state they have an inch more of usable erect penis. And it was my understanding that the people who says surgery is pointless and a big misconception is people trying to sell PE related products and they withhold some truth’s about surgery.

Even if LOT is bunk that’s fine get over it, that doesn’t mean lig stretching is bunk. I have a longer penis now and my lig’s are slightly visible at the base where as before when I was 6 inches they was not there…Just as modesto said, I was noticing about a week ago my penis does not come but a tad bit higher pass my belly button than it did when I first got into PE with much less Length.

Also all the surgeons I have emailed clearly states you need to add traction to your penis or some form of weights if you don’t want it to retract and stay the same or get smaller.

The guy at Beverly Hills Surgical has said great gains from surgery are possible but only when you add weights to your daily life for a few months.
He has said on a television show that PE was possible from hanging.

Bubba did you hang BTC before this surgery? You said you was hanging 30lbs so maybe your cock was already at it’s lowest exit point and is why surgery was not successful for you? Or did you hang after? Because then Lig stretch would be pointless wouldn’t it??


PE Goal: 7.5" NBP x 5.8" MSG

Originally Posted by gainerihope
I don’t exactly know what you mean here. When you say down to it’s root, do you mean follow it all the way round to by the anal hole? I don’t think you do mean this. I don’t get what you mean when you say, take your hand and trace the penis shaft behind the balls down to it’s root (the bulb).


We can use the simulator as a reference. I’ll use the picture to describe what I mean.
LOT Simulator

You are seeing the pelvis area from the side. The red line represents the shaft/penis. There is three points in the red line (shaft), one at the Ischiopubic Ramus, one at the P.S and one at the glans.

Now the exit point of the penis is basically where it exits the body, that would be somewhere near the middle point in the red line (shaft). It will vary from person to person but for simplicity lets say it’s at the middle point on the red line (shaft). The balls will be somewhere here too.

Now what I meant was, standing straight up you take your hand and with your fingers feel the shaft at the middle point (at the exit point). This is the point where your shaft continues into the body. You’ll be touching the underside of the shaft. Now you follow the shaft (red line) from the middle point to the left point (Ischiopubic Ramus) with your hand (yes towards the butt hole). The root/bulb of the penis should be somewhere around the left point (Ischiopubic Ramus).

The point of this is to check your own angle between the left point and middle point of the shaft. In other word the difference in height between the left point and the middle point. In the picture (with default values) you can see that the middle point is higher up than the left point, this creates an angle in the shaft.

It is this angle or height difference between the middle point and left point that can give a hint on how much lig gains can be expected. The greater the angle or greater the height difference, the more potential for lig gains one might have.

If you put in 85 as the lig length you’ll see that the angle or height difference will change to 0. The left point goes straight to the right point, the entire shaft is completely straight. If this is the case then the potential for lig gains is probably not too great.

Sorry if it’s a bit confusing, english is not my first language ;P

Modesto that LOT simulator is spot on, you created it yourself?? That is amazing.


PE Goal: 7.5" NBP x 5.8" MSG

“…….The erect size of the penis technically only changes in circumference with a penile enlargement because cutting of the suspensory ligament will not add erect length.

http://www.ejhs.org/volume2/klein/penis20.htm

Technically it said, just like Modesto said technically your penis is the same…I have read countless things of that nature and I am having to admit your killing my motivation by telling me my length gains from a lower exit point is not gains. You are probably doing the same to other’s reading.


PE Goal: 7.5" NBP x 5.8" MSG

“I had a 6 by 5 inch dick. Now I have a 6.75 by 6 inch dick. Is it worth it?

Link a forum member stating an increase of erect length after surgery. I am sure you read his post about how his girth enhancement went wrong.


PE Goal: 7.5" NBP x 5.8" MSG


Last edited by bluray : 02-28-2009 at .

You can’t always hear what you’d like.

Originally Posted by marinera
You can’t always hear what you’d like.

Understood. Just wish you guys would be a bit more positive rather than negative when referring to increases of length.


PE Goal: 7.5" NBP x 5.8" MSG

Originally Posted by bluray

“I had a 6 by 5 inch dick. Now I have a 6.75 by 6 inch dick. Is it worth it? Am I really giving a girl THAT much more pleasure?”

Link a forum member stating an increase of erect length after surgery. I am sure you read his post about how his girth enhancement went wrong.

To be honest, I haven’t, or maybe I can’t recall. But, do you believe a post of a man has more value than the review of hundreds of surgeries?

Originally Posted by bluray

Understood. Just wish you guys would be a bit more positive rather than negative when referring to increases of length.

We are positive and supportive. But we have to cut BS also, to avoid waste of time to our members. :)

Well the post turned from a guy asking if any people with low LOT’s has made decent gains, to guy’s who didn’t have an answer to his question just wanting to say LOT “theory” is stupid, which then turned into gains from ligament’s are bogus, and now we are discussing surgery. lol

Way off topic.


PE Goal: 7.5" NBP x 5.8" MSG

LOT hypothesis is linked with ligs elongation gains, actually.

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