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Low LOTter's any success?

Originally Posted by OME89
I have a low LOT and have recently started doing OTS hangs. Going to be doing OTS and SO hangs for 3 months and see what my results are like. If they’re pretty good I’ll make sure to post a thread with the results.

That would be great, why dont you start a progress thread? If you can’t post in that forum yet I think a moderator would be glad to move your thread there.


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It pains me to see that people are still taking LOT “Theory” so seriously. Haven’t you seen the LOT Simulator?

LOT Theory was a cool idea; I think Bib came up with it after several beers. It almost makes sense until you really break it down. Then you discover there is no plausible basis for making a connection between people’s LOTs and their gains.

Think about it. “Gains” mean the mass of your penis (length, girth, both) has grown. Why would the configuration of your ligaments have anything to do with how much your shaft can grow through PE? Ligaments are just bands that hold tissues together. It’s the shaft that matters. Grow the shaft.

Stretch the ligs if it helps you to grow the shaft. If it doesn’t help, ignore them. Personally, I think one should stretch the ligs a little bit during every PE workout. It’s a great way to apply stress to the top (dorsal) part of the shaft. But IMO it is just one part of an effective PE routine.

People like LOT Theory because it purports to answer questions about the imponderables of PE. What exercises will make me grow? How much can I grow? How should I spend my time during workouts? It would be great if LOT Theory could do all that, but I just don’t think it does. PE is still very much a trial-and-error process.


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I have recently read through The LOT theory and im not really sure about it but im going to agree with ModestoMan.

Also as i have low LOT i am hopeing the theory is incorrect lol.

gainer, ‘I’ not ‘i’ when referring to yourself, please.

About the topic, the LOT theory never made any sense to me also.

First, I have learned a lot since I have first posted this thread.

Second, Bib takes LOT theory very seriously and uses it to offer advice to hangers in his forum.

LOT theory is sound. However, there has not been enough data collected to either prove it completely or disprove it completely. Mostly because hangers never follow through. They begin hanging and for one reason or another do not stick to it.

A hanger should hang everyday if possible.

I have a 9 o’ clock erection. Straight Out.

High LOT = More internal penis = faster gains to realize.
That is because Ligs are easier to stretch then the infamous tunica/septum which has much stronger fiberic tissue. It requires more stress.
OTS, and the RSDT Fulcrum should be enough to deform the tunica tissue.

BTC (between the cheeks) is by far the most effective in fatiguing ligs. High lot should mean you have a good portion of inner penis to expose. Once you have completely exposed your inner penis there is no reason to further stretch your ligs. Until later on possibly when you stretch the exposed inner penis with tunica stretches, i.e. Rice Sock Duct Tape Fulcrum stretch and OTS (Over the Shoulder Stretch). Then you could possibly raise your LOT and voila perform more BTC. However, the tunica is ultimately the focus of stretching, not the ligs. Stretched ligs only contribute to size until the inner penis is exposed. Once exposed you are wasting time stretching them.

Here I wrote this on his forum and Bib believed it to be correct.
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The tunica prevents me from stretching my flaccid as far as I want. Ligs do not determine flaccid size, well technically…once the inner penis is exposed they no longer contribute to flaccid size/erection size

The Septum is the toughest tissue to deform. RSDT fulcrum is a great invention for this purpose.

Stretching the ligs exposes my inner penis thus contributing to my length gains.

As I stretch the inner penis my LOT will go up and I can do more lig stretching. Though you did not specify how to stretch the inner penis once the ligs had been maxed out.

My guess, as you expose the inner penis it becomes affected by outer tunica stretching, thus stretching the “inner” penis. But hey don’t be so quick to answer, I’m going to look this up Once the inner penis is completely exposed, ligs’ gains maxed out(temporarily), all of the penis can be stretched with angles that stretch the tunica. LOT will increase as that exposed inner penis is stretched and once again after so many months, years, more btc may be a good idea.
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One should start with 2-3 sets and add a set every week until they reach maximum privacy time or 4 hours (12 sets)
Then they should add more weight every week. One to Two lbs. I might have this backwards, its in his forum and product guide. I do not have my notes on this computer.

Eventually one should be hanging everyday for as long as possible up to 12 sets, 4 hours. Unless they are on the brink of injury or have been injured due to extreme fatigue.

>>So wouldn’t it be counterproductive to have 20 hours between hanging sets with no ads or anything, no stress.<

No. Everything is pulled out, plus more deformation created, in the next hanging session.<

>I hung from 7:30 am to 4:30 pm and then a few sets at night, on weekdays. Then the few sets at night on weekends<

There is plenty more on his forum. LOT is simple, well once you understand it. If you have a low LOT do BTC for a few months see if any gains realized. If not move on to RSDT fulcrum and OTS. If you have a high LOT you should definitely do BTC for a few months, or more because you should according to the theory have more inner penis to expose past the skin exit point then say someone with a low LOT. But in the end you will still be doing tunica stretching regardless of high or low LOTs.


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I believe the LOT theory explains where a man’s primary focus should be when hanging originally. BTC or RSDT. However either with low or high LOT one should start BTC anyway. So LOT theory may be more of an explanation for faster gainers rather then a helpful tool.

You hang BTC max out ligs, expose inner penis beyond skin exit point.

You hang RSDT to deform and lengthen Tunica / Septum which has no limit to being to stretched.

You continue and voila instant monster cock. Well over a period of a year or two.

Then on to girth, which is approach in the same way.

Uli thing. One wears it until the fluid build up begins to counteract outward pressures of the tunica by compressing the tunica. You unhinge, jelq out fluid, start again. Say up to four hours or whatever. The next day you continue.

Big Girtha would have these long girth sessions as well, and he would use liquid cialis.

You do not want to work on girth and length at the same time for two reasons. First its harder to stretch a thicker rubber band. Second he believes the lateral and vertical fibers within the tunica when torn together would criss cross essentially making a very strong spiderweb of fibers. Or something to this effect. It’s better if you read it straight from him. This information is on his board.

So one thing at a time fellas.

At some point the tissues will deform. At some stress level they will. So hanging is almost guaranteed, it’s just user error and poor timing that make it “more” difficult. Your penis will stretch under stress, but that stress is greater then ADS. It will stretch, no avoiding it, you just have to apply the right amount of stress.


Breathe

Originally Posted by marinera
Another common mistake, in my view, is believing that septum is ‘holding back gains’. It’s unlikely the case: septum (pectiniform septum) isn’t anything else that the junction of CC, and enalrging it would give near no measurable gains.

See here to understand this point
http://www.anatomyatlases.org/Micro…late14277.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septum_of_the_penis

Bib would beg to differ. He also has a great diagram of that information on his board.

Though he may have a more in depth evaluation of this common mistake.

From what I gather…

The septum is the strongest tissue, it will be the first limiting factor because of its strength. The septum, CC, CS are all attached to one another they all have to stretch together. I believe the septum must fatigue before the CC and CS are affected.


Breathe

Ligs and skin should be stretched, and conditioned, before the tunica is stretched. This is performed with BTC or other lig stretches. Then one can focus on the Tunica with OTS and RSDT fulcrum stretching.

12 sets a day everyday. You must continue to tweak your technique as you progress, making necessary adjustments and you will have to stretch your skin a few times (uncut) to accomadate your new length. What else can you do, not much. See what happens.

I’m currently trying to stretch the bottom shaft skin to rid myself of my turkey neck, and hanging BTC.

Overall it is simple. Expose inner penis beyond skin exit point. Then stretch tunica. Stretch everyday unless injury or extreme fatigue (about to have an injury).


Breathe

Originally Posted by ModestoMan
It pains me to see that people are still taking LOT “Theory” so seriously. Haven’t you seen the LOT Simulator?

LOT Theory was a cool idea; I think Bib came up with it after several beers. It almost makes sense until you really break it down. Then you discover there is no plausible basis for making a connection between people’s LOTs and their gains.

Think about it. “Gains” mean the mass of your penis (length, girth, both) has grown. Why would the configuration of your ligaments have anything to do with how much your shaft can grow through PE? Ligaments are just bands that hold tissues together. It’s the shaft that matters. Grow the shaft.

Stretch the ligs if it helps you to grow the shaft. If it doesn’t help, ignore them. Personally, I think one should stretch the ligs a little bit during every PE workout. It’s a great way to apply stress to the top (dorsal) part of the shaft. But IMO it is just one part of an effective PE routine.

People like LOT Theory because it purports to answer questions about the imponderables of PE. What exercises will make me grow? How much can I grow? How should I spend my time during workouts? It would be great if LOT Theory could do all that, but I just don’t think it does. PE is still very much a trial-and-error process.

Best post of the day. I know your hanging journey was not a success, but have you considered that you needed to go heavier instead of stopping at 10 lbs? Nothing happened for me until 18lbs.

Originally Posted by Bugs Bunny

Bib would beg to differ. He also has a great diagram of that information on his board.

Though he may have a more in depth evaluation of this common mistake.

From what I gather…

The septum is the strongest tissue, it will be the first limiting factor because of its strength. The septum, CC, CS are all attached to one another they all have to stretch together. I believe the septum must fatigue before the CC and CS are affected.

Strong or not, it can’t make any real difference when length gains are concerned : to get length, you have to grow the CC and TA, not the septum, that’s the point. And Bib’ opinion can differ, of course, I’m for democracy.

Originally Posted by ironaddict69

Best post of the day. I know your hanging journey was not a success, but have you considered that you needed to go heavier instead of stopping at 10 lbs? Nothing happened for me until 18lbs.

ModestoMan was doing what Bib was advicing to him personally, if I remember correctly.

Originally Posted by ModestoMan

Think about it. “Gains” mean the mass of your penis (length, girth, both) has grown. Why would the configuration of your ligaments have anything to do with how much your shaft can grow through PE? Ligaments are just bands that hold tissues together. It’s the shaft that matters. Grow the shaft.

When you get gains from ligament stretching your not growing anything your just exposing more of the penis held inside which results in a longer penis.
When surgeons cut the ligament guy’s can see up to an inch of new erect length.

Modesto I like your avatar.


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Originally Posted by marinera
ModestoMan was doing what Bib was advicing to him personally, if I remember correctly.

Ah gotcha. I like your new avatar ;-) Bush is quite the…Well he rode the short bus I imagine.

Sigh …

Originally Posted by Bugs Bunny
LOT theory is sound. However, there has not been enough data collected to either prove it completely or disprove it completely.

That makes it unsound. It is actually not a “theory,” like the Theory of Gravity. It is a hypothesis. It has never been proven, and it has no sound theoretical basis that makes it even plausible.

Originally Posted by Bugs Bunny
High LOT = More internal penis = faster gains to realize.
That is because Ligs are easier to stretch then the infamous tunica/septum which has much stronger fiberic tissue. It requires more stress.

This is simply untrue. Even if it were, what makes you think “internal penis” can be pulled out to realize gains? Internal penis is just like external penis. It has a tunica and can only be stretched to its natural limit. It is no easier to gain internal penis than it is to gain external penis. It is all part of the same organ and is composed of the same stuff.

Also, it is not true that the septum is strong; it is actually very weak. It is composed of circumferential collagen fibers (they run around the CCs, not lengthwise). It is actually nearly effortless to stretch the septum. But there is another structure in the same region that does resist strongly—the dorsal fibers of the tunica. Bib did not know this.

Originally Posted by ironaddict69
I know your hanging journey was not a success, but have you considered that you needed to go heavier instead of stopping at 10 lbs? Nothing happened for me until 18lbs.

I went way over 10#, Ironaddict69. I went all the way to 25# BTC. I spent many months in the 12-18# range.

Originally Posted by Bluray
When you get gains from ligament stretching your not growing anything your just exposing more of the penis held inside which results in a longer penis.
When surgeons cut the ligament guy’s can see up to an inch of new erect length.

Stretching or cutting the ligament, without making other changes, allows the penis to hang down lower, since the support that was previously holding it up is gone. Ironically, it can also allow the penis to retract further inside the body, since one role of the ligament is actually to limit retraction.

However, I do not agree that ligament cutting or stretching by itself increases erect length. But the term “erect length” is subject to semantics and marketing hype, since it depends on how erect length is measured. If you measure erect length by pointing the penis straight down, or at least at a downward angle, then, yes, you could probably see a slight increase in length after the ligs are cut, owing to the lower exit point. BPEL might also increase because the lower exit point allows the ruler to be pressed in deeper. Remember that the pubic bone is angled, so a lower exit point directly translates to a deeper backstop on the ruler during a BPEL measurement.

But is the gain “real?” What is clear to me is that, after lig cutting/stretching, the tip of the penis will extend no farther up the abdomen than before. If your dick stopped one inch short of your belly button before snipping, it will stop one inch short of your belly button after snipping. This is because the organ has a fixed length, and its origin is in the pelvis (ischiopubic rami). Cutting the ligs has done nothing to change the organ’s actual length, so it will come up no higher.

Is the extra “downward pointing length” a benefit? It depends on how you want to use your dick. Personally, I usually have sex with my dick pointing more or less up or straight out. So it wouldn’t really help me. There’s also a question of stability. Cutting or stretching ligs could (maybe yes, maybe no, not certain) impair the stability of the penis, making it less easily usable at any angle.


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