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Originally Posted by ModestoMan
Bugs,

Those last 2 paragraphs you quoted from me above aren’t correct. I deleted them from my post but they still appeared in yours. I checked the model and it turns out I got it backwards. LOT actually rises, not falls, when the inner penis grows beyond a certain point. It’s been awhile since I’ve thought about this and I’ve forgotten some of the details.

I thought that was odd. LOT should increase as one stretches the inner penis. That supports what I’ve been saying.


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Originally Posted by ModestoMan
I’m not sure what input you’re looking for. If you’re asking whether the tunica can grow, then the answer is clearly yes. I’ve personally gained an inch of girth. I am not working with the same tunica I started with.

Length has been much harder, and I’ve barely managed to add an inch. The first 1/2-inch came quickly, but the second took 2 years. None of it came directly from BTC or SD hanging. That just made my dick stronger. All my gains came from jelqing and stretching. And they are all “tunica gains.”

I know the tunica can grow. Though I am glad you agree.

I just wanted proof that BTC and SD stretched the tunica enough to realize gains. That it was not the inner penis exposure that contributed to gains but instead tunica growth.

However, it appears even your simulator from what you just corrected validates what I’ve been saying. I will have to play with it myself to understand why you do not believe in the theory.

What were your hanging sessions like. How many sets did you do a day and how far apart were they spread. Did you hang every day?

Not sure why you did not gain more. I believe it of course has to do with time and stress. Though the angle you hung most of the time is important information as well. Did you know that the hanger was attached appropriately. Did you feel it grasp on to your internal structures.


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Originally Posted by ModestoMan
Bugs, it is simply incorrect to say that SD and BTC hanging do not stress the tunica. When a person is hanging in these positions, the tunica is the structure through which force from the hanger is transmitted to the ligaments. Since the tunica transmits the force, it experiences the full measure of applied tension, just as a rope experiences the full weight of a person hanging from it.

The region of the tunica that receives the stress is somewhat limited to the portion between the tip of the penis (regardless of hanger position) and ligament. But that’s probably the strongest part of the tunica, and therefore not a bad place to focus ones efforts.

This is where I brought up that I’ve read somewhere that a hanger’s flaccid length when hanging would be different when they hung say SD vs. SU/SO/OTS/RSDT.

Like the flaccid SD would be as long as 6 inches and the flaccid SO would be 6.5 inches. I do not believe the tunica is flexed at SD or BTC angles, that the length of one’s flaccid at that angle when hanging is determine by the ligs.

I believe the tunica is still somewhat relaxed at BTC and SD angles. Which is why I said it might feel some stress but not nearly enough to fatigue it because the ligs are taking most of the heat.

They flex, resist the weight before the tunica engages and resists the weight. Therefore the tunica really does not receive a lot of stress if any when hanging BTC SD.

This is why there are two size differences in flaccid when hanging BTC vs. hanging SO.

In one case the penis length is not fully realized because the ligs immediately take the heat because they are not as long as the tunica, so the tunica is not fully extended and stretched.

Where as the other case the ligs do not engage period. Which means the penis/tunica fully extends and it does take the heat, all of the heat. Thus fatiguing all of the tunica. Or at least that which is exposed and the first set of short fiberic tissue.


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Originally Posted by Bugs Bunny
I thought that was odd. LOT should increase as one stretches the inner penis. That supports what I’ve been saying.

It puts more strain on the ligs and thus increases tugback, resistance from the ligs. Increasing LOT and possibly erection angle.


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Originally Posted by Bugs Bunny

that the length of one’s flaccid at that angle when hanging is determine by the ligs.

This is where there may be a loop hole. For those who have Low LOTs and long ligs, who can fully extend their penis straight down without resistance. Then the tunica should be stretched just as far as the ligs and both should take an equal percentage of that stress, where as before the ligs where shorter and taking the stress first.

Then again regardless of lig size, they may still take the heat and the tunica takes very little at BTC SD.

Only way to prove this outside of theory that I’m aware of is to have someone gain, gain, gain from BTC SD. No other angles and when things slow down, just continue to hang BTC and SD. Add more weight.

If it was stretching the tunica it would continue deforming at some weight, more gains would be realized hanging BTC and SD without the See Saw Effect, without raising LOT.

In fact LOT would be raised as one hangs BTC and SD because they are stretching their tunica.

However this is not the case, those who gain from BTC and SD lose LOT not gain it. According to theory and your model one should gain LOT as the tunica stretches.

If BTC and SD are stretching the tunica LOT should increase, but it doesn’t. Which supports the theory that BTC and SD do not stretch the tunica.

This is where you would say that stretching the tunica does not increase LOT so it doesn’t matter.

Wouldn’t you agree as the tunica expands the ligs tugback harder, resist more, strengthen. The further the tunica stretches horizontally the more the ligs strain to suspend it. The increased strain increases the angle at which one feels a Loss of Tugback. Regardless if you believed in LOT it just seems logical that as the tunica expands the ligs take more strain to suspend it. They also become shorter in relation to the tunica, as the tunica grows the ligs take more heat. This increases LOT.

As the ligs tighten they may pull more tunica back behind the skin exit point which is where you can gain yet again from BTC and SD and lower your LOT yet again, just to build it back up later with more tunica stretching.

Yeah?
Bugs


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Bugs Bunny -

Many times when it is mentioned “stretching tunica”, it means stretching the tunica to the root. IE: even inner penis. For this to be accomplished the stretch would be in line with attachment to the pubis or slightly higher.

I agree that low angle stretching if the ligs are stretched would be evenly balanced between the ligs and tunica. If the ligs aren’t stretched and you have a high lot, low angles would put most force through the ligs -and hopefully they would stretch.

That should be a condensation of what you where trying to say.

Originally Posted by djrobins
Bugs Bunny -

Many times when it is mentioned “stretching tunica”, it means stretching the tunica to the root. IE: even inner penis. For this to be accomplished the stretch would be in line with attachment to the pubis or slightly higher.

I agree that low angle stretching if the ligs are stretched would be evenly balanced between the ligs and tunica. If the ligs aren’t stretched and you have a high lot, low angles would put most force through the ligs -and hopefully they would stretch.

That should be a condensation of what you where trying to say.

I do not think you can stretch the inner penis until it has been exposed by lig stretching. That is the purpose of stretching the ligs.

Even if the ligs are stretched, LOT does not increase with BTC and SD, it decreases which means the tunica is not being stretched but the ligs are.

That was what I was trying to point out :)

Bugs


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