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Originally Posted by Dick Builder
Well, let me put it this way: Aside from tearing your dick off, your body is going to heal those little micro-tears regardless. Ones goal through hanging is to manipulate that healing process, not prevent it. If you simply reached fatigue (creating those little tears) then took a break, allowing your body to completely heal, that area will become stronger, in order to prevent further damage, and the end result will be a tougher but not necessarily a longer dick.
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This doesn’t answer what mgus asked. I.e., if you are not going to let your penis healing, the microtears will accumulate; at the end an injury will come.

Hard work requires recovering days: just so simple. What Manzwa posted make more sense, but: how you can be sure to not go above the overstress line (a thin line, as he explained).

A light tension, using an ADS or an extender, could allow the body to heal at the same time that microtears are verifying; it could also avoid that the penis will return to it’s original length. But hanging day after day for months, with no rests, appear to be dangerous.

I would add that is generally not considered that hanging cause a stress not only on your penis, but on others bodyparts: first of them, back; hanging 2+ hours a day with (for saying) 10 lbs is more stressfull than deadlifting 500 lbs for a total of 60 seconds 1 time per week, as any orthopedic Doc would confirm. Your back is at least important as your penis, and won’t heal so easily.

Originally Posted by marinera
This doesn’t answer what mgus asked. I.e., if you are not going to let your penis healing, the microtears will accumulate; at the end an injury will come.

With all due respect, I like to throw my input in on this if I may. I do not mean to step on Dick’s toes (should there be a pun thrown in here) in doing so nor butt in. However, The body will heal faster than you think. If you listen to your body, you will know the difference between fatigue (indicator of micro tears) and macro tears in the fibers. Good fatigue will ache while macro tears will be painful thus sign of injury or potential of injury. The threshold where you are maximizing fatigue is the ideal placement for one’s goals when hanging. Everyone’s body is different so how long it will take to heal satisfactory is based on a number of factors. Fatigue is best served in my experience by maintaining a fatigue point, aka riding fatigue. Fatigue is accumulated and lost through rest and I believe that was a point attempted to be made.

Originally Posted by mgus
Let’s put it this way: if you create little micro-tears, but never allow the body the chance to fill them in - how on earth will the end result be a longer dick?.

If you are not creating micro tears, there is little you can expect in the form of gains when hanging. The body heals faster than you think and is very adaptive. I advocate there is a point where the balance of micro tears versus time for healing can be counter productive or your best friend, find that happy medium to manipulate the balance is key for each of us.

Originally Posted by marinera
Hard work requires recovering days: just so simple. What Manzwa posted make more sense, but: how you can be sure to not go above the overstress line (a thin line, as he explained).

Thank you….I think LOL. I would say the answer to your question is each must know the difference between fatigue and pain, plain and simple. Fatigue is so close of a sensation to pain that experimentation will need to be made.

Here is a link I find very useful.
http://www.bibhanger.com/forums/php…c.php?f=2&t=404

Originally Posted by marinera
A light tension, using an ADS or an extender, could allow the body to heal at the same time that microtears are verifying; it could also avoid that the penis will return to it’s original length. But hanging day after day for months, with no rests, appear to be dangerous.

Again, the body is very adaptive. By slowly moving up in weight and conditioning ones target area to the stresses, you become aware of how the body feels thus learning one’s boundaries. This to me is so difficult to impart to others. Not because of some lacking a person may have, instead I believe it is because we have to be there. Seeing is believing so to speak.

Originally Posted by marinera
I would add that is generally not considered that hanging cause a stress not only on your penis, but on others bodyparts: first of them, back; hanging 2+ hours a day with (for saying) 10 lbs is more stressfull than deadlifting 500 lbs for a total of 60 seconds 1 time per week, as any orthopedic Doc would confirm. Your back is at least important as your penis, and won’t heal so easily.

I suppose this could be true depending on the posture but I have not have had any difficulty with my back that could compare to dead lifting. I hang sitting down and find the stress only effects the target area.

I would like to throw another thought to those who are open. The many of aspects of PE are in my opinion still evolving and our discussions incite that process. Some times I think some forget this and get carried away with personal feelings. I can see a day when Thunders and other forums like them will be the stepping stone to PE as a science.


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Ok, Manzwa, I like your style. Here you are what I don’t find convincing in your last post:

the link you posted doesn’t explain nothing, is just the Bib’s idea on what one should feel when “good” fatigue is applied (please, I’m not English mother-language, so try to understand my words’ sense, I’m doing my best); if you don’t believe that Bib’s thinking is truth for definition, that article is not useful at all.

I won’t to be irrespective, but many here had good results, documented results, and had no such feeling that “deformation is happening”. I think searching for this feeling is dangerous for obvious reasons.

The line between fatigue and pain is thin, you said: but when you go beyond that line, could be too late. There is no proof that if you don’t feel such extreme fatigue then gains will not come, agree?

This apply also to back injuries: one doesn’t feels that scoliosis is forming; when pain or discomfort appears, it could be too late. Adversely, I experienced back-pain while dead-lifting or doing cleans: I had the belief that was having bad back-injury, were it was nothing serious. Our feeling is not a so trust-able signal, generally speaking. Let’s do another example: time ago I tried pumping; I had no discomfort, but after a while my penis became dead-meat for weeks or months.

I could agree that our body adapt fast: but how much fast? Would not be wise leave a safety-window, if you get what I mean?

I have to say that the equation [microtears healing = lack of gains] is not well argued by anyone, and is likelihood founded on bad knowledge of penis anatomy; it seem that the penis heal exactly while enlarging, because the heal process happens by fibroplasia (credit to pudendum for this)

Yet another theory of how we grow

of course, nothing theorematically demonstrated.

On another side, healing process should be faster for newbies: mostly of them have wonderful results using a 2 on - 1 off routine: this disprove the “no rest days” theory, at some degree.

“My penis will become stronger” believing merit analogous critics, but I don’t want to become too verbose:
the “don’t let it turtle” motto is the real origin of this pseudo-scientific assertion, but is much more useful; if one’s fear is that microtears will heal leaving his penis in a non-enlarged state, light tension (ADS or similar) are the best way to go, because are less dangerous.

Counter-proofs are welcome, of course, but please don’t put anyone beliefs in the same class of facts or science (not that you was doing that, Manzwa; others were).

That’s pretty much what I’m saying - if you have a tear and want it to fill in (i.e. become longer when filled in) then you must allow it to fill in. By pulling apart to the same degree all the time, you are (probably?) not allowing it to fill in.


regards, mgus

Taped onto the dashboard of a car at a junkyard, I once found the following: "Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement." The car was crashed.

Primary goal: To have an EQ above average (i.e. streetsmart, compassionate about life and happy) Secondary goal: to make an anagram of my signature denoting how I feel about my gains

Honestly I am no doctor, and sometimes reading threw this place and all the theory I tend to get lost. Even though I’m not going to use any fancy phrases or science as such, I will tell you this:

Rest days, or rest in general, in my case, varied the intensity of my workouts on a weekly basis. I believe this to be a very necessary part of PE. From what I have read around here, and from my personal experience, the less rest you have the more your penis gets use to the treatment, thus creating a smaller chance of gaining. This is a critical part of PE or any other form of body altering (if I can call flexibility, bodybuilding, stamina, ect. That).

So to me weather micro tears are the reason why we need rest days is irrelevant, all I know is that without rest days, decon breaks, and variation of intensity, your body adapts to the routine, thus lessening your chances of growth.


Wishing and hoping for the best - yup your doing it wrong.

Originally Posted by Bigger
I started in June ‘98 by hanging under the guidance of the old Tom Hubbard site, and the original PEforums. Seems like forever. I started with a loop type hanger, but quickly realized that was dangerous. Then I began making better and more complicated hangers. I eventually, after about six months or so, worked up to hanging all day, from 7:30 am to 4:30 pm, as well as a couple of sets at night when family had gone to bed, five days on and two off. Sometimes, with privacy, I would hang a few sets on the weekend. Rarely did I take an extended break.

Bib’s history

Originally Posted by Dick
The technique of hanging and the theories behind it have been around for a long time. In fact, long before Thunders hit the internet; I didn’t invent them.

Really? I think you need a new watch.


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Originally Posted by Dick Builder
Well, let me put it this way: Aside from tearing your dick off, your body is going to heal those little micro-tears regardless.

Assuming micro-tears are like any other tear on the human body, then your statement is true, but if you see how a scrape on your skin heals much quicker if you just let it heal as opposed to picking on it, then I think by logical thought we can come to the conclusion that picking on a wound makes it heal double as slow.


Wishing and hoping for the best - yup your doing it wrong.

Originally Posted by ThunderSS

Really? I think you need a new watch.

Ok, now I’m confused. You’re actually saying that no one hung weights in order to enlarge their dicks before Thunder’s place existed? I still have my noose, six pound diving weight, and a homemade circle device from around 1998. When did Thunders open shop, 2001? I don’t get it. Even Tom Hubbard didn’t lay claim to the idea of hanging weights in order to enlarge his dick. I believe he got the idea from a magazine ad selling weights for that purpose sometime in the mid nineties.


Then (4.5 nbpel x 4.75 mseg)

Now (5.625 nbpel, x 5.25 mseg)

Nobody is laying claim to hanging starting at Thunder’s. The “theories” have changed since this place opened though, and I would like to think that the hard core hangers that posted here had something to do with that.


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