I was always trying to find the minimum time I could hang and still get gains and for me it seems to be about 10 hours. I’m not sure of the weight I use but I think it’s about 15 pounds. I over did it so I have been off for about 3 weeks and hope to start again very soon. The more you hang the more you gain it seems to me all the big gainers hang for long periods of time at a good weight. I would love to know if others that hang short and heavy are making good gains.
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I have many more questions but don’t want to steel 9soon’s thread. I will create my own and hopefully get your feedback there.
I’m new here, so don’t attach too much significance to this. You have described some substantial weight hanging over several months. Is it correct that prior to your PE efforts, you had a surgery and a surgical revision on your suspensory ligament?
Per RB’s advice yesterday, I started doing straight-up & OTS for the first time; very quickly got a little tingly sensation (not numbness; color stayed fine) where I would imagine the ligs & tunica connect. Going to phase in this hanging to round out my routine, which consists of light manual stretches; hanging for about 2 hrs/night, 5 days/week (up to 15lbs. so far); post-hang stretching + pumping (low pressure, no more than 20 minutes); and finally, all-day wrapping, which has improved flaccid hang significantly in the 3 short months I’ve been doing it. No more “buttondick syndrome” when it’s cold! Hooray!
So I recall reading somewhere that mixing up your angles- keeping your body guessing, essentially- is the best way to approach this. I’ll keep doing BTC for a while because I still feel the soreness, although it’ll likely be time to step up to 20lbs. to get it soon. Any advice from the gainer vets going forward? Fulcrum stretches maybe?
(thanks again, RB!)
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Moses - Yeah , I had the suspensory ligament cut by Dr Rheinschild in LA. First time didn’t get any results, so went back for the same procedure aqain. He assured me the ligs were cut and also that there was minimal scar tissue. But, I only gained 1/2 an inch from this whole exerience, which was about 4 years ago. Wish Thunder’s had been around back then - I would never have done the procedure.
Question - when you mean SO fulcrum hanging I’m assuming the fulcrum goes under the shaft not over. Been checking this out and do get a really good pull (with the fulcrum SO ) at the underside .
And I will try to implement more piss pulls during the day, research tracton wraps more, and try especially to find more time.
This time/weight ratio is quite interesting (and challenging for me at this point!)
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What a great thread! Obviously I missed this one. Very interesting …
Between your surgical healing, your short duration/high weight hanging, and some PE injury downtime over the months; you may have created some unusually strong and resistant ligs. While not definitive, there is a consortium of concern through various threads that short duration/high intensity hanging with too long of breaks in between could cause lig growth/strength without additional length—kind of a rebound effect.
If this were the case, it makes suggestions you are getting about reduced weight, longer duration, different angles, and injury avoidance all the more valid. As well, you might consider an ADS device, fowflers or repetitive hand-stretching spaced through the day to try to stay as ahead as you may of any rebound effect.
You once posted that the sensation of stretching you felt in straight hanging was bilaterally to the sides as opposed to centered. For you, that may be an indication that your specific present limiting factor is in the lateral aspects of your ligs. Again, if true, this would merely reinforce present suggestions regarding OTS hanging. I do note that you may use a scale-type apparatus as opposed to gravity hanging. This could give you an even better way to explore various side/up/down angles to identify focus on these stretching sensations. It would also give you the ability to use the fulcrum principals related above to the sides as opposed to top or bottom. (Again with reduced weight, longer duration, and plenty of respect for the safety issues of going off-axis).
>there is a consortium of concern through various threads that short duration/high intensity hanging with too long of breaks in between could cause lig growth/strength without additional length—kind of a rebound effect. <
Just to clarify, the ligs and tunica will strengthen no matter what weight or time variables you apply, such is the nature of living tissue. Therefore, the kind of adaption you state (strengthening but no gains) takes place when the work done is not enough to produce deformation. It isn’t the end of the world, just add another pound and you are doing more than the tissues have adapted to handle. Add another set and you are doing the same. When we talk about reduced weight we mean weight lowered due to fatigue at hanging the higher weights, not simply using less weight, which is more likely to cause strength adaption without gains.
Lurkey, glad my opinions were useful… I get that tingley feeling as well. I attribute it to microtears occuring, which is a good thing :)
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I appreciate the feedback on the clarification. It leaves me with a question, though. If less-than-deforming force would tend to strengthen but not elongate ligs, is an ADS device a bad idea? Or rather could the ADS device still contribute to gains by virtue of a much longer duration of force at a productive angle?
>If less-than-deforming force would tend to strengthen but not elongate ligs, is an ADS device a bad idea? Or rather could the ADS device still contribute to gains by virtue of a much longer duration of force at a productive angle?<
I have always viewed ADS as a method to be used after hanging or manual stretching, where there has already been some work done, to keep your dick in the extended state.
I have heard (although not many) reports of gainers from all day stretchers. I don’t know much about the stretchers on the market and how much tension they can apply. Time is definitely the key with ADS, but I wonder if the low tension would be enough to break the limiting factors.
I believe ADS after hanging or stretching has tremendous merit, but would not recommend an ADS only routine.