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Hang time vs Weight

The ‘right’ weight will increase as the conditioning of tissues increases. A successful hanger seeks, with great attentiveness, to find the combination of time and weight, on any given day, that will maximize deformation and minimize conditioning. In my experience, (when being smart about it!) these combinations will not change dramatically on a day to day basis. Piet’s recommendation of a weight increase of no more than 1lb/week is a safe rate IMO, although I try for even less (when I’m being smart about it). I’d rather increase time than weight because increased weight increases the conditioning effect. Conditioning is counterproductive. One will need to use higher weight as conditioning occurs. And it will occur. But we shouldn’t bring it about faster than it needs to. Whether gains occur in addition to conditioning is dependent on the rate at which we apply stress to our tissues. This is whats referred to in engineering parlance as the rate effect of deformation. The rate effect of penile tissue deformation is very important in making hanging gains. With attempts at rapid rates of deformation, i.e. using heavy weights prematurely, tissues are strong in their response to applied stress, IOW, they resist deformation (Monty has referred to the seat belt in a car crash analogy for this scenario…it’s a perfectly appropriate analogy). Tissues are weak at slow rates of deformation, IOW, when using just ‘right’ (i.e. ‘low’) weights. And they deform as a result. This is what we want to do if we are after gains…deform our tissues. But because of the rate effect of deformation, we must apply stress slowly, IOW, with as light as possible weights, that we increase as slowly as possible, for as long a period of time as possible. They won’t deform any other way.


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Originally Posted by RockXP
goonbaby

Which brand of ADS do you use? Do you the one that monkeybar sell?

Thanks

It is a Homebrew, Rock. I have a compulsion to build, and a thin enough wallet to justify it.


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Originally Posted by goonbaby

It is a Homebrew, Rock. I have a compulsion to build, and a thin enough wallet to justify it.

Good for you goon. Mine is too. I predict your compulsion to build will result in construction of a big dick.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

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G, What home brew are you using? forgive me if you have started a thread about this but can you let me know, how its made and your experiences with it.


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Hi Guys,

Very interesting topic.just a thought.after hanging do you use the ADS very tight and pull the ADS as much as you can and wear it for hours or just tight but not too tight (I use the vac-hanger as hanging and ADS just after).

I am not sure what will be better.the idea to have it as tight as you can is based on .if you pull something in your body .a leg or a ear long enough it will stretch.proven!

But I read that in some threads that it could strengthen your penis and it would be difficult to gain after..
After hanging do you use an ADS .or not.and very tight or not?

What are your thoughts?

By the way before someone says it’s not related to this thread we are still talking about what is best weight or max stretch vs time.

cyborgjoe,
Good question as I recently resumed hanging yesterday after a long deconditioning break from hanging. I have been doing manual V stretches which have begun to yield a easy temporary length gain of 1/8”. I am hoping that hanging will turn this gain into a 1/4” permanent gain in the next 4 months.

I am currently wearing my ADS very tight as I like to see my unit as long as possible (for motivation). I am doing the same thing (tight ADS) as before my deconditioning break. There are so many variables that I doubt there can be a concensus on this. I think it would take a very controlled experiment to get to the bottom of this.

I tend to experience retraction when I overdo my hanging routine. Then I rely on the ADS to supposedly prevent healing in that retracted state. Let me state that I do not wear my ADS for more that an hour at a time and then for only 2 or threee sessions. Whether this works or not I do not know so maybe it is just a mental thing.

I do believe the theory that says you walk a fine line between deformation and strengthening. The good news is that PE definitely works if you are dedicated .

One thing that I tried for the first time yesterday is a Hair Tie Wrap (HTW search forum) I found that the Element model (at Wal-mart) to be a great fit. I folded it over once. I used it as a wrap for hanging and found it to be ok compared to my previous wrap. The big news is that I wore the HTW overnight and thought it could be a decent ADS (day and night). This ADS would be classified as a low stretch.

Well, enough rambling. I hope this helps.

sheLovesIt

Thanks for reply sheLovesIt.

Another thing I realize with my PE is that I don’t feel sore especially the next day.and it seems that it’s wrong

To feel that a muscle (I know it’s not.but I believe can be compared to)has been worked well.you need to feel it sore the next day.

So I think everyone should look for it.soreness, that your member has been stretcher beyond his max size..
No matter if you hang heavy for 20 minutes or hang small weight a long time.

Like they are different ways or roads to go to Rome but only one Rome which is the same goal (soreness).

I am still new to PE but I put a lot of thought into it.because I tried different things which didn’t work until lately hanging and ADS.and I realize I have to intensify my hanging.

I have followed a lot of advices from some guys in the forum.some good and bad..

But what don’t lie is do you see any results.if no.then change something until it works.

The most important is what you feel not what someone else feels..

I read that we should be hanging every 2 days or more because you need to heal those micro tears, but now I think more like Monty530 he said “Whatever it is, it is necessary to continuously create damage that will allow extension of the ligs and other tissues for gains to occur within that cycle” so hanging everyday will do that..

Should we look for soreness or not and why that is the question?

I am going on vacation for 2 weeks so don’t expect me to reply until then..

Let me know what you think.

Cyb

How many hours would you have to hang each day for it too be classed as the, “Time Over Weight”, approach.. 3,4,5 hours?

Originally Posted by Hang123
How many hours would you have to hang each day for it too be classed as the, “Time Over Weight”, approach.. 3,4,5 hours?

You could make up your own classification if you want. I think most of us look at extender users as the nearest comparisson and look at how they put in 4, 8, maybe even more hours in a day.

The reality is you don’t need to subscribe to one school of thought. Try to figure out what fits into your life schedule and hang for that time. Regardless of the amount of time, adjust the weight to meet your needs.

I think both time and weight are an important part of the equation.

I know, I didn’t answer your question. I just think sometimes we feel this need to create boxes when none are needed.


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Vacuum hangar 7lbs progress

If you have read some of my other replies. I decided at 15 weeks ago to stick to a 7 days a week vacuum hanging 5 to 9lbs at least 40 hours. Well my results are finally on track compared to the medical research regarding extenders and hanging. I gained 1/4” in 15 weeks or 553 hours (av 36hours a week)That’s erect length gain. NBP 6.50”. If I continue at the same weights and time (500+hours) I may reach 7.5” in a year. To reach 9” .. THREE YEARS, or One inch of gain every year. For me, if I keep this up till March 2018, I should be 9.5 inches in NBP erect length. I did the work and I did the Math. If your out to reach a 3 inch gain, plan on 3 years

Originally Posted by z06vet2003
If you have read some of my other replies. I decided at 15 weeks ago to stick to a 7 days a week vacuum hanging 5 to 9lbs at least 40 hours. Well my results are finally on track compared to the medical research regarding extenders and hanging. I gained 1/4” in 15 weeks or 553 hours (av 36hours a week)That’s erect length gain. NBP 6.50”. If I continue at the same weights and time (500+hours) I may reach 7.5” in a year. To reach 9” .. THREE YEARS, or One inch of gain every year. For me, if I keep this up till March 2018, I should be 9.5 inches in NBP erect length. I did the work and I did the Math. If your out to reach a 3 inch gain, plan on 3 years

Congrats on your gains.

Regretfully, it doesn’t usually continue at the same rate. There is diminishing returns.

I hope you keep tracking everything. It would be interesting to see your return by hour and see if you can track the diminishing returns or if it is sporadic.

I am not saying this to disuade you. I hope you keep on applying yourself.

Did you take before pictures?


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11/02/15 BPEL 7 1/8”, BPFSL 8 1/16”, EG Mid 5 1/4 —- Goals BPEL 7 1/2”, NBPEL 6 1/2", BPFSL 9” Motivational Resources Wanted

8/9/2014 259 lbs ---- 11/2/15 248 lbs 33.2% body fat Bhcentral's Progress Reports and Pictures

I'm keeping track on gains

Created an Excell spread sheet, day by day hours in the vac hangar, total time for that week, and track gains. I do not track the weight, I have two sets of weights that I alternate one is 7lbs the other is 9lbs. I can change the weight to 5lbs or 16lbs. When I get sore I drop the weight to 5, when I,m not I up the weight to 16lbs. I track the total hours per week and accumulative hours. So in answer to your question, I know exactly how much time I spend hanging, and I try to always get at least 42 hours a week, but average was closer to 36 hours a week, Max time I spent hanging in a week is 60 hours. It is difficult to get 6 to 8 hours on a weekday, but on the weekends I normally get at least 8 hours. week days 5 to 7. for most of the working stiffs out there, finding the time to do 40 hours a week is hard to do, But I manage

Yea dude. i do 4x10 all heavy weight and to keep fro moving up too quickly i exaggerate the weight by pulling the hanger with my hands. Much pain throughout the day, but mainly at night around like 3AM do i feel all these twinges in my ligs. Very encouraging feelings. Also most likely to do split sets after later but i might not.

I agree with you.mOre intensity dictates less volume and vice versa yeah.


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Originally Posted by z06vet2003

Created an Excell spread sheet, day by day hours in the vac hangar, total time for that week, and track gains. I do not track the weight, I have two sets of weights that I alternate one is 7lbs the other is 9lbs. I can change the weight to 5lbs or 16lbs. When I get sore I drop the weight to 5, when I,m not I up the weight to 16lbs. I track the total hours per week and accumulative hours. So in answer to your question, I know exactly how much time I spend hanging, and I try to always get at least 42 hours a week, but average was closer to 36 hours a week, Max time I spent hanging in a week is 60 hours. It is difficult to get 6 to 8 hours on a weekday, but on the weekends I normally get at least 8 hours. week days 5 to 7. for most of the working stiffs out there, finding the time to do 40 hours a week is hard to do, But I manage

I try to get 2 hr’s a day for the work week, but I usually get 1 hr. at 7.5#’s. Then on the weekend I try 4- 6 hr’s at the same weight. So I guess I’ll only gain a 1/4” or 1/2 ” by the end of the yr?

I believe that starting with the lowest weight possible and increasing time to the maximum first is the way to maximize gains.

Lowest weight possible would mean at least a weight that challenges that challenges the “elastic rebound” of tissue.

Once time is maxed out one can go for more weight at probably less time.

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