"It doesn't matter where you start, it only matters where you end up."
Hey Bib first of all I’ve gotten some good gains from the hanger. Up to 7.5” bp now.
My current routine is 1 hour hanging/45mins jelqing&squeezing.
I was thinking about upping my hanging time to 2+ hours and dropping the jelqing/squeeze time to maybe just 10 mins after for blood circulation. I think by doing so, I should speed up my length gains, then focus on my girth gains later, similar to what you did.
My question is… Can you also get midshaft and head girth from hanging? or just base girth.? Seems like my head size has increased, but I’m not sure if it’s from hanging or squeezing.
Did you notice any midshaft or head size improvements from hanging?
"It doesn't matter where you start, it only matters where you end up."
I always hung with only a minimal amount of blood in the head. Not totally flaccid, but not much. I did not get any head gains from hanging.
The base girth is something else. The only way I can describe it is, it became kind of cone shaped. Even the girth within my body increased. I remember one time after having hung for probably over a year, I had an erection and got up to do something. I could actually feel the inner penis as I was walking. Freaked me out.
It really is a strange phenomenon. I have no idea why this happens, but I would say I gained more girth within the body than at what is considered the ‘base’. Then, the gains tapered down to midshaft.
Hope this helps. Ask other questions if not.
As strange as it sounds.. It feels like my inner penis is being pulled out. Sometimes I look down, and it looks like penis as been pulled out from my body. Its weird. Although I’m not complaining =)
I saw your post about asking questions or speaking out… so even though these aren’t specific questions about your hanger, its about hanging in general. Hope you don’t mind.
Is it possible to overwork your ligs? I know with jelqing/squeezing, rest is a factor in gains, but with hanging… do you want to fatigue your ligs as much as possible?
When you reached your length goal.. how did you go about your maintence routine.. did you cut the time in half? or the weight? and while you were doing the girth exercises.. did you notice your length being the same . or even longer from the girth exericses?
Also it seems like I have strong but loose ligs. Did you ever take chrondrotin/glucosamine for lig and tendon strengthening/recovery? Even though I do feel sore the next day, I use a heating pad, and massage the base of my penis, directly on my ligs. Now even after 3 straight days of hanging for 2 hours a day, a little heat and massaging, and my ligs feel fine. If I can hang 7 straight days… should I? I really do feel the fatigue after the hang session, so its not that I’m not using enough weight or time, but I feel as though I have great recovery and healing.
Hey man.. also wanted to tell you I know how it feels when you have people asking you questions about PEing constantly. Its tough sometimes. PenileFitness asked me to write them a testimony about my gains, said they’d give me money if they left my email at the bottom of the testimony. The deal was I would receive 2 bucks for every email I responed to and forwarded to them. Well they backed out on the deal (surprise, surpise). So I got emails constantly about PEing. (if it worked, what you do, how it works, yada yada) I know its a pain sometimes, and other times it feels good when you help someone out.
Either way man, just wanted to say your’re appreciated and thanx.
"It doesn't matter where you start, it only matters where you end up."
>As strange as it sounds.. It feels like my inner penis is being pulled out. Sometimes I look down, and it looks like penis as been pulled out from my body. Its weird. Although I’m not complaining =)<
No, that is not strange, I felt the same thing.
>Is it possible to overwork your ligs? I know with jelqing/squeezing, rest is a factor in gains, but with hanging… do you want to fatigue your ligs as much as possible? <
You can certaintly overwork your ligs. There are several degrees of work; from a simple stretch to a strain which is an excessive stretch of a tissue. Then a sprain is a tearing of a ligament and there are three ways one can tear a ligament: slight, moderate, complete. A complete tear would be extremely painful and disabling.
That is why you must pay attention to what your body is telling you. The dull ache, soreness, fatigue, worked-out feeling is ok. You want to work as long as you can, perhaps at a reduced weight while fatigued. Continue the stretch. However, if the soreness becomes at all acute, you must rest that area.
Any acute or sharp pains are not ok. They are a very stern warning.
>When you reached your length goal.. how did you go about your maintence routine.. did you cut the time in half? or the weight? and while you were doing the girth exercises.. did you notice your length being the same . or even longer from the girth exericses?<
I can’t tell you the exact sequence of this. First, I worked on length, then girth. During the transition, I progressively spent more time working on girth at the expense of length. It took several months (3-5) before I was performing girth exercises almost exclusively. This helped to cement the length gains I already had, and helped to slowly get used to the girth work.
It was a little tricky, because I could not do the girth work first because my shaft would be too sore to hang. It seemed I simply stopped hanging earlier each day to begin work on girth. I had no set schedule for this. Had to play it by ear as to how much girth work I thought I could tolerate on any given day. Also, it varied because I was still working on the hanger. Some days, due to testing, I would have to hang longer than others.
I never lowered my max weight. Sometimes I would still have to lower the weight because of fatigue. Really, it was just the time that slowly changed. I still hang every so often when someone asks a question that requires me to actually feel what they are talking about. Also, I test different wraps from time to time.
Over the course of sixteen months I lost 1/4 inch in length while gaining 1.5 inches in girth at the head.
>Also it seems like I have strong but loose ligs. Did you ever take chrondrotin/glucosamine for lig and tendon strengthening/recovery? <
>Even though I do feel sore the next day, I use a heating pad, and massage the base of my penis, directly on my ligs. Now even after 3 straight days of hanging for 2 hours a day, a little heat and massaging, and my ligs feel fine. If I can hang 7 straight days… should I?<
If you have the time and privacy, and your body allows, I think it is fine. It is ridiculous to assume the body is dependant on some arbitrary ‘healing’ schedule. Your penis will be in a state of healing almost from the first time you hang. As soon as the first fiber sustains damage, your body begins repairs. Wonderful.
However, it can be easy to reach a state of total fatigue. when your body must have additional time for repair. Then, take at least one rest day. As I have said, there were many weekends where I worked; at least to some extent. There were other weekends when I was very happy to rest. Also, there were some weekdays when I did not work as hard as usual.
>I really do feel the fatigue after the hang session, so its not that I’m not using enough weight or time, but I feel as though I have great recovery and healing. <
This is another factor which is different for everyone.
I appreciate the kind words. I do get a kick out of helping guys achieve gains. But it seems since the hanger has come out to be very different. Not much fun anymore.
From the start, what was your girth, length and what is it now, how many months? I am concentrating on girth for awhile. And need some encouragement. My tool is definately good German tendon and lig stock—stubborn unt tough.
Got to go in a little bit. I am not looking this up but this is the readers digest version.
Started out a little under 6 on length and five on girth.
Last time I measured I was 10.5 on length, 7.25 on base girth, and 6.25 on girth at the head (shaft below the head). The whole thing took over three years.
Bib, are you absatively posatively serious?!?
regardless of the time they took to attain, those gains are fucking spectacular….I mean, what, 4.5”+ in length, and well over 2” girth? shit…. I’m thinking of taking up hanging now ;)
Did you obtain them solely from hanging? if not, where can I read your routine?
Love to know that one..
I am deadly serious. Also, very lucky. I believe my whole story is in the FAQ section of the other forum. About all the length was from hanging. Also, girth at the base.
I guess those posts fell off the board. I put them in the progress reports section.
so how much time per day did you actually exercise?
I usually do most of my workouts in the shower and keep going till my dick/hands are tired… which is usually less time than I realise - 10-15 minuites on average. I try to do a wrap after every session for at least half an hour, which prolongs stretch and helps get rid of any dots. I am into that sort of no work approach - call me lazy but it seems to be the most efficient timewise approach to PE… I was thinking of taking up hanging actually, but I’m uncertain because I want to gain in the girth department (although a bit of length would be fine) but I know that hanging results in an increase mostly in length, and at 9.5 now, gaining like 4.5 as you did would result in something - less than practical.. ;)
is there a way to ‘focus’ gains through hanging onto girth?
gaining length would probably be inevitable, but now since I’ve heard of great girth gains too, I dunno… just a little confused..
From 7:30 am to 4:30 pm, plus a couple of sets late at night. 20 on 10 off. Usually an hour or so of light milking.
If you just want girth, focus on Ulis. You can do extreme ulis with the hangers or an Uli thing.
I am new to this site so please forgive my ignorance.
I am unclear on wrappping and hanging techniques.
Is the wrap a hot wrap? Is it wrapped tight to engorge? Where does it go on the penis? Is the hanger put around the wrap?
Any help that you guys can provide would be greatly apprecited.
You have a lot of reading to do.
>Is the wrap a hot wrap? Is it wrapped tight to engorge?<
You have to wrap your penis with some type of wrap to protect the skin. There are also wrapping techniques for girth or removal of discoloration.
>Where does it go on the penis? <
Start wrapping about 1 inch behind the head and spiral toward the base. But you can move it around to see what is most comfortable.
>Is the hanger put around the wrap? <
If you want to hang, read everything on both forums. Also, you can get some good info from my bibhanger website.
”Over the course of sixteen months I lost 1/4 inch in length while gaining 1.5 inches in girth at the head.”
Currently my midshaft and base girth is exactly 5 inches around. My head girth is exactly 4.25 inches around. As you obviously can see this is a rather huge difference of a head to shaft girth ratio. I would like to basically flip this around. Making my head approximately .25 - .75 inches bigger around than my shaft.
Over the course of a few years is this possible?
You said that you gained 1.5 inches in girth at the head. Thats amazing. I mean seriously, truly amazing. I hope to do the same even if I sacrifice a 1/4 of an inch in length. Right now I look very out of proportion. I need your help Bib you seem to be the only guy around who has really gaine head size.
Would you recommend ulis and squeezes with the uli thing?
Or wrapping for head size?
Hanging with the head partially engorged. Please I need your help.
Since the Bib post on the PE forum kept changing to another pageThis was in the FAQ section. I guess it fell off the board.
I thought PE was a crock. I didn’t believe anything on Tom’s site. But it is well written and seemed honest. I had most of what was needed to get started so I just tried it. I was kind of like Soma and other guys. I saw some good early gains and things took off from there. I kind of got carried away and ended up doing PE a lot more than I thought I would. But I like it.
When every time (almost) that I measured, I saw an increase, I was astounded. I still can’t believe it. When I pass a mirror naked and catch a glimpse, I still do a double take. Also, I catch my wife looking all the time, naked or clothed. She looks at my crotch more than my face. I also catch other women looking all the time (clothed of course).
This weekend I took a 30-hour continuing education class. There were about 20 women and 15 men. I sat at the 2nd table from the back on one side, kind of in a corner. The first day I wore boxers with shorts. Thereafter I wore boxers and sweat pants. Almost all the women in the class stared at my crotch. I told all who asked that I am married. By the 2nd day, I had the 7 best-looking women in the class sitting around me. They ranged from 24 to 33 in age. I’m 43 and not bad looking, but nothing like that has ever happened to me before. I have never been that popular.
About my wife; I told her very early, about 3-4 months after I started. The difference in sex was already very noticeable to me, and I new she would ask about it soon. She was already having much more powerful orgasms. I explained the whole thing on a trip. She said she had noticed a difference. When we returned home, I showed her Tom’s site and showed her what I did while she was at work and the kids in school. She thought it was a little weird but supported me. She thought it was analogous to women wanting larger breasts.
When I got to nine inches, she started talking about how it was long enough and didn’t want any more length. I can’t go in all the way; it hurts her when I hit bottom. But she liked the girth and wanted me to continue trying to get some more (if I wanted). She likes trying new positions that we can do now. We still are doing different things. It is still a new toy. I almost never ask for sex. She always starts the proceedings.
At first, she was fairly amazed at the increase. My penis has been the #1 topic of conversation for a long time and I don’t always bring it up. She still talks about it, but seems more interested in using it. She knows I am probably in the 99th percentile for length, but it doesn’t matter to her. It’s not like; “wow my man has a big pecker!” She would still love me and stay with me if I had my “old” penis. But the sex is a lot better and she will admit that.
This topic was explored a couple months ago. I wrote about it then and have thought about it from time to time. I’ve also palpated and tried to compare my penis now to my penis almost two years ago. It’s impossible to come up with anything concrete. Of course there is no way to utilize scientific method in a situation like this. The horse is out of the barn, and you can’t put him back. But I will state the facts again and give some educated guesses/opinions. Ok, here goes…..
PrePE my unit was fairly nondescript. When erect, it was not impressive; fairly pale, little venation, smallish head, at best ordinary. Now, it always has much more color (erect or flaccid), prominent veins, and larger head/glans. Wife described as “a little scary” recently; no offense intended or taken.
First you must realize, my penis is not just much bigger (4.5”erect). The entire area is completely different from when I started. I would describe my genitals prePE as infantile. Almost complete retraction when flaccid into the body (nuts also). After almost two years of work, everything now hangs; is very prominent. Obviously the ligaments that support the entire area have been stretched/grown to express this difference.
Further, the penis was extremely high. It had never “hung” when flaccid, semi-hard etc. It pointed up (head) when flaccid, and as it became erect extended straight up. Now the best it can do is straight out when erect. I think it requires too much pressure from blood to allow it to go any higher. As it fills with blood, it hangs lower (gravity) which requires increased pressure to overcome gravity.
Where it exited my body was several inches away from the “base” or the prostate. Now it is what I consider normal. It exits much lower, only a couple inches from the prostate.
I know that I had good early gains from this ligament stretch; from everything being pulled down and out of my body. If I had to estimate, I would say around two inches.
However I also know that my head used to be well below my navel when laying down and erect. Possibly 2-3 inches below. Now it is a couple inches above my navel. If all gains were from lig stretch, I don’t think this would be possible. Unless penis inside the body was pulled “out” which allowed it to go “up” further when laying down. There may be some truth to that but I don’t think very much.
I know that the tunicae does grow/stretch. I have never said this before, but after a couple months of the uli#3, there is no doubt. I am now well attuned to my tunicae. I can “feel it” when it is under great pressure from the exercise. I can actually feel the stretch just like any other stretch. I know that it is stretching/growing laterally. I feel it does the same lengthwise. I have since realized that I feel the same thing when hanging. It is just not as pronounced.
More mass, stretching Vs growing
I am relatively certain that all gains are not simply from stretch. I have had a huge increase in the amount of flaccid mass. With no blood engorgement, there is MUCH more mass than before outside of my body. Several times more mass. Some I am sure was simply pulled out, but I can not believe this is the case with all of it. When flaccid, I can still feel a lot of mass within my body as well as the mass outside. I do not believe I had just a little mass outside and a whole lot inside prePE. I feel certain the stresses placed on my member have resulted in an increase in tissue. I have no idea of the mechanisms involved in this or the type(s) of tissue.
Since starting PE, I have worried about this issue. I don’t worry much anymore since reading of Sean’s experience and thinking about it a little. In my case, it would seem to be like trying to put biscuit dough back in one of those cardboard containers. If I stopped PE completely; no milking, nothing, I would expect to lose a little simply from decreased health. I would not mind losing some even on a maintenance program which I intend to continue. It would be irrelevant.
I do not wish to gain any more length, and little if any girth. I do believe some work is needed for some abstract length of time to “cement” gains. A poor analogy would be: if you stretch a rubber band one time, it snaps back with little loss of integrity. If you stretch it constantly, it eventually will lose much elasticity, become longer, and become unable to return to it’s former shape. My wife does not want any more length, but would not mind a little more girth.
Work, efficiency and hanging, milking, Ulis
I think you will find that the one thing all big gainers have in common is tenacity. This is expressed in the consistency and levels of work. I believe you will find that as long as the techniques are performed properly, the best results are attained by those who are able to work the most. I was lucky in that I PEed all day while working. I work at home with very infrequent interruptions. I was able to incorporate PE in my daily activities with few problems. Some men do not have the time or privacy to do this many hours per week. If they are consistent however, I feel they can achieve their goals over time. The key is consistency. Most on this forum who complain of small gains admit to little work. I believe others think they are working a lot, but are only fooling themselves. I must say I think I could have achieved the same results with less work. I probably went overboard once I realized PE was possible.
The three techniques I have experience with are hanging, milking, and Uli#3. Below are my opinions mixed with a little common sense.
I think for someone who wants length, hanging is the most efficient way to go. If done properly, I think it is also the safest and easiest. It does take time to develop a comfortable routine, but this is a one time expense. Once you have become accustomed, you can perform many activities while hanging. Therefore this aspect of PE actually can require no time.
The reason it is the safest is in the fact you are utilizing known stresses, both weight and pressure. You can with certainty increase or decrease stress loads. You must however have a safe attachment device for hanging.
With milking, the inward pressure from the hands as well as the outward pull of the arms is unknown. I think there have been many more reports on this forum of injuries or desensitizing incurred from milking than from hanging. The results may vary also from many variables. How strong are your hands/arms? How long can you exert these unknown pressures? How much stress/injury is occurred and how will you know when you have gone too far? How much actual work is achieved week to week, month to month?
I think the value in milking is in the ability to increase blood flow and therefore overall penis health. Another poor analogy is angioplasty. With milking, you are able to work on the blood vessels with the hands. As long as you don’t apply too much pressure, the massaging action alone should lead to more supple vessels, and help in plaque removal etc. Depending on the amount of pressure, I think milking can increase girth due to the lateral pressures exerted on the tunicae.
The Uli#3 is definitely more efficient however in this regard. The inner pressure that can be achieved is remarkable. I feel certain this exercise is useful in increased circulation and overall penis health also.
These are just my opinions and observations. I wish I could produce a more scientific report but I can’t. Hope it helps in some way.
Thanks! i have seen it before, but always need a new read again and again since my exploration of hanging. TT
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