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Gaining at Higher Angles

Originally Posted by marinera
While, before, hanging with the same hanger but SD has given no gains? How much gains are we speaking of, by the way?

I hung for 4 months with the lg working up to over 2 hours a day to 12.5lbs and had no measurable increase. Started hanging over the shoulder with 7.5lbs and within a week noticed 1/4” increase in bpfsl.

Yes, lig gains are possible (and easy to get!); to a point (in my experience about 0.5”-0.75”), then they no longer are. Exactly as roots has indicated.

xeno


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

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Xenolith I am just curious if you remember or even tested your exit point before you achieved those lig gains?


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Originally Posted by xenolith
Yes, lig gains are possible (and easy to get!); to a point (in my experience about 0.5”-0.75”), then they no longer are. Exactly as roots has indicated.

xeno

I think that is pretty accurate for the average physiology. I think many people think they get more than this because they are achieving tunica gains concurrently.

But like I said. I’m not gonna make more claims about reasons or anatomy until I construct my new model. :)

Originally Posted by bhcentral
Xenolith I am just curious if you remember or even tested your exit point before you achieved those lig gains?


No, I didn’t; but there’s no way that I gained what I did in the short time that I did if it wasn’t from lig gains. My penis definitely exits lower than it did; and there’s no less erection angle or whatever it is the lig gains deniers claim results from the gains that they claim are impossible.

xeno


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

I am wondering because I have a very high exit point and I have noticed that pattern of quick gains by others with a very high exit point. When you mention 0.5” to 0.75” I wonder if that would be a medium exit point.

I have also noticed that those with the low exit points seem to get more frustrated and the gains aren’t as quick.

Again this is based solely on what I have read into other people’s experiences.


12/11/2013 BPEL 5 3/4 NBPEL 5 1/16 BPFSL 6 1/16 NBPFSL 5, EG Base 5 EG Mid 4 7/8 EG Below Glans 4 3/4

11/02/15 BPEL 7 1/8”, BPFSL 8 1/16”, EG Mid 5 1/4 —- Goals BPEL 7 1/2”, NBPEL 6 1/2", BPFSL 9” Motivational Resources Wanted

8/9/2014 259 lbs ---- 11/2/15 248 lbs 33.2% body fat Bhcentral's Progress Reports and Pictures

Originally Posted by bhcentral
I am wondering because I have a very high exit point and I have noticed that pattern of quick gains by others with a very high exit point. When you mention 0.5” to 0.75” I wonder if that would be a medium exit point.

I have also noticed that those with the low exit points seem to get more frustrated and the gains aren’t as quick.

Again this is based solely on what I have read into other people’s experiences.

I think there are naturally variations. Some can gain more, some less. Bib, of course, claims to have a very similar anatomy, and you know how his story goes.

He also claims to put in more than 3 times the work per week than I have so there is another variable.


12/11/2013 BPEL 5 3/4 NBPEL 5 1/16 BPFSL 6 1/16 NBPFSL 5, EG Base 5 EG Mid 4 7/8 EG Below Glans 4 3/4

11/02/15 BPEL 7 1/8”, BPFSL 8 1/16”, EG Mid 5 1/4 —- Goals BPEL 7 1/2”, NBPEL 6 1/2", BPFSL 9” Motivational Resources Wanted

8/9/2014 259 lbs ---- 11/2/15 248 lbs 33.2% body fat Bhcentral's Progress Reports and Pictures

Originally Posted by bhcentral
He also claims to put in more than 3 times the work per week than I have so there is another variable.

Yep, there’s that too. :)

He also said he would have gained just as much with half the time, but he can’t really know that.

I was checking out beardeddragon’s big gainers highlights thread the other day and someone said something about how the big gainers all used big routines (for the most part) and this definitely is true with the Bibster. I don’t think it is mandatory or anything, and I think anyone can be a big gainer if they PE long enough, but it definitely seems to be a common thread among his examples.

Originally Posted by NeverEnough9

I hung for 4 months with the lg working up to over 2 hours a day to 12.5lbs and had no measurable increase. Started hanging over the shoulder with 7.5lbs and within a week noticed 1/4” increase in bpfsl.

How do you know it’s not the 4 months before giving fruits? 1/4” in BPFS in within the margin of error measurement, although it sounds promising and let’s hope it goes ahead that way. Out of curiosity, do you have a downward curve? The LG is a vacuum hanger, right? Do you have a link to the specific hanger you are using?

Originally Posted by marinera
How do you know it’s not the 4 months before giving fruits? 1/4” in BPFS in within the margin of error measurement, although it sounds promising and let’s hope it goes ahead that way. Out of curiosity, do you have a downward curve? The LG is a vacuum hanger, right? Do you have a link to the specific hanger you are using?

Im pretty sure its not from the 4 months of btc as I measured pretty frequently and saw zero increase. When I measure bpfsl I press HARD. So my measurements are prob not 100% true but the method is accurate as I could never cross 8.5” bpfsl during all those months. A week after higher angles Im hitting 8.5” with less pressure and as much as 8.75” pressing hard. I actually have an upward curve. You are correct, the LG is a vacuum hanger. I believe the site is lghangerllc.com.

Originally Posted by bhcentral
I am wondering because I have a very high exit point and I have noticed that pattern of quick gains by others with a very high exit point. When you mention 0.5” to 0.75” I wonder if that would be a medium exit point.


I would say yes, a medium exit point; although I’m unclear on the validity of the LOT hypothesis, my LOT was 9:00 originally and after 10 years of PE it’s 8:30; what that means I don’t know. I attribute the first 0.75” of length gain to lig stretching and breaking. My exit point definitely moved down commensurate with those first gains…I consider those to have been my “newbie” gains. I never stopped doing morning sumo stretches (squat with left hand overhand gripping around midshaft with fully extended arm and right hand overhand gripping behind the glans…then stand up); I get a lig break with my sumo stretch almost every morning…but don’t think I’ve gained any length as a result…my exit point has reached the position where the shaft exists without any lig attributed upward deflection. And again, my erection angle is unchanged, although my upward curve has straightened out considerably, something I attribute this to CC/tunica growth.

You know, a real test of lig gains vs. CC/CS/tunica gains is turkey neck: lig gains won’t affect turkey neck, CC/CS/tunica gains will absolutely cause increased turkey neck. I’ve got a hell of a turkey neck now…a sure sign of a PE produced penis :)

xeno


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Thanks for referring me to this thread Marinera. I’m interested in the girth gains side of hanging. Aside from possible thickening of the ligaments, I believe the supposed base girth gains are mostly from growth of the corpora cavernosa, so shouldn’t the rest of the penis increase in girth as well?

Or the CS.

Right.

I’m still confused - some claim girth growth(other than base) from hanging, others claim girth remains unchanged, and others claim loss of girth.

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