Bib, put your thinking cap on...

You’ve laid the groundwork and forged the way with a solid approach to hanging with excellent results.

Your LOT theory is revolutionary and has helped many focus their efforts.

It’s time for the next evolution.

I’ve often seen you type that the only way to know for sure when it was time to move on to a new angle of attack in the divide and conquer strategy was to monitor gains, and if you haven’t gained for up to several months, move on. Pardon me, but that seems unacceptable :)

I’m sure many like me, in our haste to gain, greatly upped the weight when a plateau occured in an effort to get things moving again, and instead only succeeded in strengthening instead of lengthening our tissues. Really counter-productive. But then again, hanging for months without gains seems to be as well.

With some thought, I have faith in your ability to develop some type of testing procedure to identify the proper angle of attack to ensure we are always working smarter and in an area to maximally potentiate gains without unnecessary down time. Are you up to it? I sure hope so.

Any chance you can have this figured out and fine tuned by the time my 6 week break is up, say in 5.4 weeks? :)

RB,

You might need to be a little more specific. I assume you are writing about angles of attack against the tunica alone?

As far as the ligs go, if your LOT says you should hang at the lower angles, then you can work all the ligs with BTC, UTL, and sometimes SD. If you do not feel a good stretch after a couple days in the BTC position, you can try UTL, alternateing legs on each set. Then switch back to straight BTC after a few days. The stresses placed on the different lig bundles might be more concentrated in one area or another, but the total focus is the ligs. Fairly straightforward.

By the same token, working the tunica you need to follow the same guidelines. You surely do not have to wait several months without gains before you change angles. But you also need to get enough information on what you are doing at any one time before you change something. You also HAVE to be able to evaluate honestly what you are feeling.

If you are feeling a good stretch at the OTS postion, and becoming fatigued, but not seeing any measureable gains, should you switch to SO? I don’t think so. So much goes by what you are actually feeling, the amount of weight you are hanging, what you have the potential to hang, etc.

Further, I am hesitant to make recommendations on these issues, other than general guidelines, because I have only PEed with one penis. I know what I felt, and how to react to it. I knew when whatever I was doing was not effective by how it felt. Not just by what the ruler said.

Perhaps someone could try making a thread containing general guidelines on how to manage hanging angles. But I do not write good enough to really make it valuable.

A brief outline could look something like:

Structures to be stressed. 1) Skin, 2) Ligs 3)Tunica, inner 4)Tunica, outer.

Then under each structure, the hanging angles and/or hanger placement that affect each of those structures. Perhaps a description of what you should be feeling for each angle.

There is probably a whole lot of other stuff that could go into it. But I am pretty tired right now, and cannot think straight.

Bigger

Bib, did you sleep good?

:)

I’d love to see someone with much more hanging experience than me (2 months) take a stab at a thread like that. And don’t sell yourself short. You right plenty well enough to do it…

Anyone up to the task?

So, in the above example, when should one know to move on to a new angle? When they’re no longer able to reach fatigue? Is this before or after they try more weight? How much more weight should they try before they move on? Theoretically, one could eventually keep trying more weight in a potentially less optimum angle and again hit fatigue, but wouldn’t there efforts be better focused and more productive somewhere else? How does one know for sure when to move on?

Bib, what about this- assuming non-lig issues.

Since progress is tracked by measurements, develop some kind of model where one could take measurements, such as left, center and right, in various angles, such as straight out at 9 o’clock, upwards at 10.5 o’clock and lastly at 12 o’clock. Then comparing these measurements against ratios obtained from the “base” cock, such as yours, who’s done pe’ing, one could see what angle seems to be lagging, and focus in this area until it’s up to and perhaps past speed?

Did that make any sense at all

RB,

>Did that make any sense at all<

You have stumped me.

Bigger

Bib, in essence what I said was it makes sense that the limiting factor would produce a shorter measurement when taken in the angle the stress would be applied in compared to other angles in the same plane.

Let’s say one is working SO. Doing a SO BPFS, they get a measurement of 8”. When they BPFS in the SO angle but to the right, they get a measurement of 8.125”. When the BFPS in the SO angle to the left, they get 7.875”.

Based on this example, instead of hanging SO to the right or SO, they would stressing the limiting factor most by hanging SO to the left.

Make any sense?

If it does, I propose someone such as yourself take the above BPFS measurements Left, SO and Right in the 9 o’clock, 10.5 o’clock and 12 o’clock angles, and see if we can develop some type of formula that let’s one compare their measurements too to identify the most likely limiting factor.

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Bib?

RB,

I am probably just dense, nothing new there. But I just don’t get it.

Bigger

Fair enough. Perhaps when I start back up, I’ll play with it to see if it has any merit then report back if favorable.