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BIB Has Spoken... A New Hanging Technique Is Born In 2006!

Originally Posted by ModestoMan

other inquisitive members of the forum (e.g., hobby, xenolith, MX, shiver, and Big Girtha).

Let’s not forget Mbuc and Mgus.


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And Penismith!


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Modestoman,

There is no PE God. Just like there’s no dick fairy. But Bib is the expert on hanging even if it doesn’t work for everyone. If he says this is much more effective than the normal hanging methods, I’m going to believe him until proven otherwise. ;)

MDC,

Certainly, Bib’s ideas shouldn’t be ignored. They just need to be put into context.

Originally Posted by MDC

But Bib is the expert on hanging even if it doesn’t work for everyone.

Bib is “an” expert. At least, I think he is. However, Bib is not “the” expert. He is merely one of many knowledgeable people.


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Last edited by ModestoMan : 02-24-2006 at .

ModestoMan,
I’ll stand by calling Bib “the expert” when it comes to hanging. Even if he’s not the only one.

I don’t see the point in disputing this. Do you have a problem with Bib?

Originally Posted by MDC

ModestoMan,

I’ll stand by calling Bib “the expert” when it comes to hanging. Even if he’s not the only one.

I don’t see the point in disputing this. Do you have a problem with Bib?

I think Bib is given too much credit. For example, he did a fairly poor job of explaining this new hanging technique. He did not show any understanding of the reasons it might be effective or of the physics involved.

I don’t buy his LOT Theory, and I don’t know whether to believe him about his gains. I think his hanger is reasonably good but not necessarily better than anybody else’s. No one has ever corroborated his gains or his size, and there is no photographic evidence. I personally have been on the receiving end of his tirades, and it has not been a happy place to be.


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Last edited by ModestoMan : 02-25-2006 at .

Originally Posted by MDC
Modestoman,
There is no PE God. Just like there\’s no dick fairy. But Bib is the expert on hanging even if it doesn’t work for everyone. If he says this is much more effective than the normal hanging methods, I’m going to believe him until proven otherwise. ;)

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I’m your DICK fairy and I’m here to grant you any sized dick you want!!!

I only read part of this thread but being a long time hanger a time comes when gains end using a Bib because as far as I’m concerned the bib being a wonderful device hits the ligs only. It’s just to big to hit the tunica! The wench or the wenchett is the cheapest tunica hanger the redi stretch also hits the tunica. Anybody that wants to feel the difference should build a wench and than you will understand the difference.


I haven't failed, I've found 10,000 ways that don't work. Thomas Edison (1847-1931)

Sorry about that Mr. Dick Fairy. Just that my dick’s been shrinking lately and I have lost faith.

I’m going to give this method a try for a while with my bib hanger before trying something else. Thanks for the recommendations!

I have as much respect for Bib as anyone but I applaud MM for taking nothing for granted. We must question everything if PE is to move forward. Even the most respected of people can get things ass backwards. MM plays a tough role, and he doesn’t always get the respect he deserves. He questions theories that need questioning for the health of PE and we have to get over our discomfort with that, at least a little.

Extremely well stated ps. I couldn’t agree more.

To wit: I think Modesto’s recent posts in the Testing LOT Hypothesis thread in which he articulates the geometrical constraints relevant to lig sourced gains is the most important PE information to show up on the Forum in a very long time. Quite frankly, my assessment of much of my gains’ origins and my strategies for future PE training have been significantly changed in light of this information. For those who may be interested, to expedite your finding this information, its located about 2/3 of the way down this post.

I couldn’t disagree more with your comments regarding the BIB hanger Dino. I’ve used it very successfully to grow my tunica. Indeed, based on Modesto’s new information, I’m convinced that a significant portion of my gains that I previously attributed to a lig sourced origin were actually tunica sourced, and obtained from hanging with my BIB and/or BIB Starter.


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Thank you for the support, guys :) . I really do appreciate it.

My personal opinion is that the Bib is probably as good as any hanger for providing tunica gains. They all work on the same principle: compress the tissue in front of the hanger and push against the resulting “plug.” All the force is channeled down toward the distal end of the shaft, which then pulls on the tunica and anything (such as ligs) attached to it. With that mechanism in mind, I don’t think it much matters whether the hanger is so big that it covers the entire shaft. It will still stress the tunica.

That said, the standard Bib Hanger is probably too big to be used effectively for doing fulcrums, unless you already have a lot of length. The Bib Starter is probably fine for most guys, however.

My personal preference is the Wenchette. In addition to being very effective, the price is certainly right. I can’t vouch for its performance over 15#, but in the 0-15# range, it’s very sweet.

Awhile back in this thread, I said that someone could probably think of a way of accomplishing all the benefits of the new exercise discussed here without all the fuss and risk. I think I have something in mind. It involves offsetting the screws for the hanger straps so that they’re biased closer to the top (finger side) of the hanger. It may be sufficent to provide some sort of bracket or peg that the straps loop around. I know this is vague, but the idea is for the weight to pull more from the top than the middle of the hanger.

This arrangement will provide both the fulcrum effect and the bending moment that Bib’s exercise provides. But unlike that exercise, this one will provide constant force and bending moment and thus avoid the safety problems I see with Bib’s exercise.

I’ll wait for Mbuc’s feedback on the idea before I take it too seriously.


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I see everyone talks about this technique with the bib has anyone tried it with the redi- stretcher yet? I get mine in this weekend or early next week.

Originally Posted by xenolith

I couldn’t disagree more with your comments regarding the BIB hanger Dino. I’ve used it very successfully to grow my tunica. Indeed, based on Modesto’s new information, I’m convinced that a significant portion of my gains that I previously attributed to a lig sourced origin were actually tunica sourced, and obtained from hanging with my BIB and/or BIB Starter.

I don’t have a bib starter and since it’s smaller it may hit the tunica. But I know I couldn’t buy a tunica gain with the regular bib. But I’m not at all doubting you I’m just stating my experiences. Try the wench or the redi stretch you will feel the pull on both the tunica and ligs. Bib designed his hanger well it was made to pull the ligs and it sure does.


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I’m not doubting your experience either Dino. I offered my experience because you did more than state your experience. You made the statement that the BIB is “too big to hit the tunica”. I want guys to understand that this is not a fact, this is YOUR experience, and more importantly, that, as is true for me, their experience may differ. Your experience rightfully should carry a lot of weight around here, but not so much that your opinions are viewed as authoritative and universal facts. Seems thats what Modesto has recently been objecting to (and rightly so IMO) regarding how we treated Bigger. A good way to avoid that is to use phrases like “in my experience” and “IMO”.

I can tell you that, in my experience ;) , the BIB Starter is more conducive a tool than the BIB for tunica gains. And yes, IMO ;) , the regular BIB is the tool of choice for pulling ligs, but nonetheless, I made most of my hanging gains, most of which, I believe, were tunica sourced, using the regular BIB.

I won’t contend your (authoritarian) statement regarding the BIB having been designed to pull ligs, other than to say that if that is indeed the case, then, in my experience, the product is not limited to it’s design objectives.

I’ve tried the wench and the wenchette. IMO, either of the BIB hangers are better hangers for reasons relating to circulation and stress focusing capabilities. I haven’t tried the Redi-Stretcher.


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Watch out, Xeno. Dino and his buddies are on their way to your place right now, and they’ve got a box ful of Bib Hangers to test out on a variety of your body parts ;) .

Your points are well taken and I agree with you, although I honestly think Dino is trying to be helpful here and didn’t mean to come across as authoritarian in his comments.


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