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Bib, an observation...

Bib, an observation...

As you know I moved into hanging as I had hit the wall from manual stretching, just couldn’t put enough stress on my tunica to fatigue it at any level. I started hanging 2 sets in the am, learned quickly how to hit fatigue, then did as much manual stretching as I could through the day. Total PE time was around 2-3 hours, 40 minutes from hanging and the balance manual stretching anytime privacy allowed.

This worked great for about a month or so, then I found hitting fatigue harder and harder to accomplish while hanging, and upping the weight caused more problems with hanger slippage than I could live with, so I sat down and rethought things. I was on the verge of taking a 6 week deconditioning break, then I had thought.

In my early pe career, growth seemed to come readily for me. I was following a paysite program that touted minimal training, no more than 30 minutes per day, and that included a 5 minute warm up, down, pc work, massage, etc. Stretching was limited to 2 minutes, jelq no more than 7, and girth no more than 5. My penis reacted to this by quickly adding over 2” of length and 1” of girth, so naturally, the greedy basturd in me rationlized that more would be better, especially when my previously de-conditioned cock strengthened up and my gains slowed considerably. This has been the pattern I’ve found myself locked in for the past several months.

I recently had to take about a 7 day break due to other life circumstances, and when I started back up hitting fatigue was easy again, for a few days. My tunica quickly rebounded, and I again found fatigue fleeting. Before I took an extended break, I wanted to try something, which was this.

Looking back on my early success, I decided to only hang one set. I would hit fatigue as soon as possible during this set, typically the first 5 minutes, then ride it for all I could with my teeth clenched the remaining 15 minutes. That was it. No more pe, even manual stretching for the rest of the day/night. I do try to get a good edge erection in 4-5 times a day for blood flow, but no jelqing, squeezing or stretching is allowed. I hypothesized that since once it occurs plastic deformation is a permanent condition, and fatigue is an indicator that it is occuring, over time growth should occur. I’ve been doing this for a week and a half now, with the following noted results-

1- I can hit fatigue easily now, each a.m. hanging set, with no end in sight.
2- Morning wood has returned.
3- Erection quality seems better.
4- 23.66 hours seems to be adequate time to allow my dick to recover and “de-condition”, making it susceptible to fatigue the following day with the same level of resistance (no strengthening adaptation seems to be occuring).

So far, so good. No measurements yet, but all the physical signs and feelings of growth are there.

Whatcha think?


Twatteaser: the man, the myth, and the legend in his own mind.

Well definitely keep us posted if you get any gains. This would save me some time from hanging. I hope this works.

So less is more :-k That would be great to hear!
Do you think your observation has also to do with your 7 day break?
Like 1 month doing your workout and then 1 week break?

Hope to hear from you soon.


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I don’t think so. After the 7 day break, it only took 3 or so of hanging 2 sets then manual stretching when possible for my tunica to become re-conditioned and much much tougher to breakdown.

As soon as I switched to the “new” approach, within a few days it seemed to be back to immediate post break condition and susceptible to deformation…


Twatteaser: the man, the myth, and the legend in his own mind.

Very interesting post RB…

If anything, at least I know what to try if I ever come to the point where reaching fatigue is no longer feasible by what I use.

Keep us updated!

RB,

I hope I am wrong, but I do not think you will be happy with this.

>Looking back on my early success, I decided to only hang one set. I would hit fatigue as soon as possible during this set, typically the first 5 minutes, then ride it for all I could with my teeth clenched the remaining 15 minutes. That was it. No more pe, even manual stretching for the rest of the day/night. I do try to get a good edge erection in 4-5 times a day for blood flow, but no jelqing, squeezing or stretching is allowed.<

Why not try this when/if the one set thing does not work: Hit it hard for the first set, reaching fatigue, then continue to hang at lower weights.

>I hypothesized that since once it occurs plastic deformation is a permanent condition, and fatigue is an indicator that it is occuring, over time growth should occur.<

Where did you get this? Plastic deformation in a living being is not exactly permanent. If it was, PE would be easy for every guy. It takes a lot of tissue training under stress to make any gains permanent. With only one set per day, I do not think you will accomplish this.

BTW, this has been tried before by vets. I have never heard a success story.

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Why not try this when/if the one set thing does not work: Hit it hard for the first set, reaching fatigue, then continue to hang at lower weights.

This is what I did before. I hung the second set at lower resistance, and manual stretched throughout the day. I suppose I did hit my manual stretching with a lot of enthusiasm, trying to stretch maximally. Do you think this is where I went wrong, and doing so hastened tunica strengthening when I should have just been concentrating on stretching the shaft out easily, not really going all out? What purpose do you feel the hanging at lighter weight after fatigue is serving?

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Where did you get this? Plastic deformation in a living being is not exactly permanent.

Don’t recall of hand, I was doing a search on plastic deformation of collagenous tissue, found it somewhere. I’ll see if I can dig it up, but I’m not too optimistic. Makes sense though, elastic stretch recovers, but plastic deformation, lacking the elastic properties, does not.


Twatteaser: the man, the myth, and the legend in his own mind.

RB,

How much weight are you using to be able to reach fatigue in 5 mins?

Must be fate, found it, or at least something like it-

http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/17/26/01.html

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Viscoelasticity is the time-dependent response of tissues to a load.3 If the stress placed on a ligament is within its elastic range, it is able to spring back after loading. The more elastic the collagen is, the better the ligament is at returning to its original length when a load stress is removed. When a ligament is loaded beyond its elastic range, it enters the plastic (viscous) range. Plasticity is the tendency of a material (or tissue) to permanently deform when the load goes beyond the elastic range.
The relative proportion of elasticity and plastic deformation varies with the stretching conditions, especially the amount and duration of applied force. A constant low load applied to soft tissues over a prolonged period demonstrates the phenomenon called creep. This is the steady deformation that occurs over a period of time. One example of this is the loss of an individual’s height, which occurs during the day due to temporary deformation of the spinal discs.4 When creep goes beyond the tissue's elastic capability into its plastic range, permanent plastic deformation is the result.

I infered that once it occurs, it is permanent. I also infered that fatigue is plastic deformation occuring.


Twatteaser: the man, the myth, and the legend in his own mind.

Dan, around 25#.

I use body weight resistance on my Total Gym. With it I am able to just scale back the resistance as needed based on the level of fatigue I want to reach or maintain. Seems to work really well…

15# at 20 minutes does nothing for me…


Twatteaser: the man, the myth, and the legend in his own mind.

RB,

>This is what I did before. I hung the second set at lower resistance, and manual stretched throughout the day. I suppose I did hit my manual stretching with a lot of enthusiasm, trying to stretch maximally. Do you think this is where I went wrong, and doing so hastened tunica strengthening when I should have just been concentrating on stretching the shaft out easily, not really going all out? What purpose do you feel the hanging at lighter weight after fatigue is serving?<

I am sure it is possible to gain strength within the collagenous tissues, without deforming the tissues and receiveing gains. In fact, I know it is possible. As far as the heavy duty manual stretching, I have no idea. If you did it quite often, I would think it could only be a benefit.

Further, I do not think you are correct to assume you “went wrong” anywhere. It may be that the next limiting factors that you need to break through are simply much tougher, and it will require more stress to continue gaining. This is exactly what I found. I went through a couple of periods without gains, but simply continued to add weight as needed, and eventually broke through.

Having said that, I do believe there is great merit in taking six weeks off to allow the tissues to atrophy and become weaker. I just have no experience with it.

Summing up, I would not worry too much about the collagenous tissue becoming too strong in front of the work. If you are able to hang 25 lbs for any significant time period, then follow at lesser weight, working on the next, lesser limiting factors, you should be fine. 25 lbs that creates fatigue, followed by lesser weight that continues the fatigue will permanently deform the tissues.

>Don’t recall of hand, I was doing a search on plastic deformation of collagenous tissue, found it somewhere. I’ll see if I can dig it up, but I’m not too optimistic. Makes sense though, elastic stretch recovers, but plastic deformation, lacking the elastic properties, does not.<

This is a little complicated. There are several good threads, with good links, about it in this section. I believe they were all by hobby or myself.

Anyway, there are several degrees of deformation to collagenous tissues. I cannot remember all the designations, but anything from a tear, to a sprain, to a strain, and on down the list. Depending on the damage done, several different things can occur. One of them is that the stresses area developes crinelations (sp) within the fibers, which heal back stronger than before the deformation, and can actually make the tissues shorter than before. This is a very good reason to continue the stresses at lower stress levels, either by continued hanging, or an ADS type system.

My thought was that if I hung enough, and/or kept stress on at frequent intervals, these tissues would never get the chance to retract and heal in the original state. I do believe this it the way it worked for me.

I used my max weight to create the deformations, reach fatigue, then lower weights to continue the fatigue throughout the day. Now, the reason I used lower weights was simple. I HAD to. I could not continue using my max weight. And obviously, the lesser weight was enough to continue deformation on tissues weakened by the max weight.

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My thought was that if I hung enough, and/or kept stress on at frequent intervals, these tissues would never get the chance to retract and heal in the original state. I do believe this it the way it worked for me.

I used my max weight to create the deformations, reach fatigue, then lower weights to continue the fatigue throughout the day. Now, the reason I used lower weights was simple. I HAD to. I could not continue using my max weight. And obviously, the lesser weight was enough to continue deformation on tissues weakened by the max weight.

SOUNDS PERFECT!!!!!


angel

Can I ask if this is possible also

using an ADS during the day?

Any of you has never tryed?


angel

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