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Back in condition: The high weight/fatigue struggle

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Back in condition: The high weight/fatigue struggle

My decon break came and went too quick. I’m now back up to 13 lbs on the hanger and hating it. All this skin soreness, high weight drama.

To reach adequate fatigue over the 2 or 3 hours I hang daily I’ve had to:

Wantsmores before each set
OTL or side OTS angles before hanging at the straight angles
A 3lb ADS weight when not under the Bib
Drop from 10 min to 8 min rest period

You guys think it might be time for a decon break again? Gains have been sloooooow but steady.

n00bs and non gainers need not respond

lostracco


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5/14/09 - BPEL 7.0" BPFSL 8.25" EG 4.5"

1/1/10 - BPEL 7.5" BPFSL 9.0" EG 5.0" - GOAL

If there’s someone new to PE that has gained more than me hanging, I’d be surprised.

Statistics/results don’t lie - and I doubt that someone who has had these would consider themselves a n00b anyway.

Stop picking on me Thunder!

lostracco


"HALT! This is a no-turtle zone."

5/14/09 - BPEL 7.0" BPFSL 8.25" EG 4.5"

1/1/10 - BPEL 7.5" BPFSL 9.0" EG 5.0" - GOAL

What about a guy that knows how to hang but has never posted before? He might see your post and think “fuck it, I think I know what he is doing wrong, but I’ll be damned if I am going to help him”. And there is also the chance of a n00b just starting out, that understands the principles a little better than you do. You know, someone who actually reads before he does and listens to others’ advice?


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>>> You guys think it might be time for a decon break again?

Yes.

>OTL or side OTS angles before hanging at the straight angles

Angles, as in plural? How many? Choose one and stick with it. For me, fulcrum and OTS hanging were complimentary for attaining and sustaining fatigue because they hit essentially the same parts. That may not be the case for everyone. In general, using a mix of angles is counterproductive.

I never liked SO because it wasn’t specific enough. I could never reach fatigue at SO with any weights I could handle attaching. I had far better results focusing on a single more extreme position at a time.

Don’t take any days off. Develop the fatigue, then ride it. If you take a day or two off you’ll have to spend several days just getting back to where you left off. You’ll require heavier weight to get there and also likely afterward. That’s not good.

The farther I got along with hanging, the more specific I had to be in order to make progress. I had been hanging mostly BTC or near it. I took a deconditioning break, then I switched to a new angle (OTS/fulcrum) and made excellent progress for the next month or so. Later, after another break, I went back to BTC and got nothing. I then switched to OTL style positions exclusively. I had pulleys mounted at the corners of my desk. Preliminary measurements indicated another gain was on the way, but a chronically problematic vein put an end to things.

I’m sure Bib will agree that increased specificity is required as one progresses.

Just curious Hobby, you mean to only do one angle if you aren’t able to get as much fatigue as you want, right? Beginners, for example, I would think would be best off doing many angles to induce “growth” from more cells. They could hang more without overtraining and stimulate growth right?

I think beginning hangers should work on going BTC exclusively to maximize their lig gains. Those are the easiest they can obtain.

Originally Posted by hobby
I think beginning hangers should work on going BTC exclusively

I agree. I don’t know whether it “maximizes lig gains,” but I do know that BTC created fatigue faster and with far less weight than any other hanging angle for me. It’s pretty much the only one I used.

BTC (as long as your hanger isn’t being supported by skin) puts an excellent stretch on the ligs as well as the lower abdominal fascia. Cough, sneeze or do some crunches while hanging BTC and you’ll feel exactly what is being stretched.

I didn’t mean to imply that BTC is the sole position to obtain gains from all ligaments surrounding the penis. I do think it is the best way to maximize length gains from the ligaments that are commonly recognized as being the most constraining.

Yes, all I meant hobby is that I’m agnostic on where the actual gains are coming from in hanging and other PE exercises. I know that ModestoMan and Bib and you (and many other more anatomically informed posters than I) have argued those points quite a bit.

Hobby, I have been hanging BTC, straight up/erection angle, and to each side. Probably since I’m only an early to intermediate hanger, I feel like this approach results in ligament in all different directions gets stretched excellently and that doing fewer angles would simply result in either overtraining/toughening (if didn’t reduce amount of time hanging) or less total stretching. I also feel like it is most important for the penis to be long at it’s natural erection angle, rather than at horizontal or lower for the purposes of deeper penetration and better ability to apply pressure to the g-spot in the missionary position. Am I mistaken, or is it not true that, eventually, several angles will need to be used for maximum “growth”?

I suppose you are basically saying that stretching these other angles before btc will basically mostly just result in more “slack” in the ligs in those directions while penis length will be the same until BTC lig directions stretched a good amount. But I feel like even if this were the case, it might still be a good idea to “get your work done ahead of time” if it is only a matter of time before BTC lig direction stretched out to point of where much more difficult to lengthen anymore. I guess I’m basically just figuring why not work your other ligs too if you are already growing your BTC as fast as possible? Don’t you think it only would require a beginner to intermediate a fairly low amount of hanging at BTC to get the fastest growth possible?

Also, I really want my dick to stand firmly at attention and lot lower LOT any more than necessary. Do you think I am overestimating BTC’s effect on erection angle?

I started a similar topic thread a little while ago, so Ill just join in this one.

Vkn1- your thinking is similar to mine. My erection angle as a younger person was pointing up a bit, until I started doing BTC hanging. I probably gained 1/4” but was never recorded. When this suspensory ligament was lengthened, my penis erection angle lowered to become straight out as well. Perhaps slightly angled up with a super hard one.

My thinking is, that once at this point the penis will not respond much to downward angles. So it’s S.O. For OTS from now on. This is just a theory like many others, and FWIW I for some reason want to go back to BTC and every month start making the angle higher and higher..

I now hang 45min-1.5hr/day at 12.5lbs with a vac-type hanger. I would like to up to 15lbs, and than I will probably have to take a break since I probably won’t fatigue at 15lbs after about a month. I also am a extremely hard gainer.

Originally Posted by vkn1
Am I mistaken, or is it not true that, eventually, several angles will need to be used for maximum “growth”?


You’ll need to use different angles. I just think you’re better off using one position at a time, or maybe two if they are complimentary.

Originally Posted by vkn1
I suppose you are basically saying that stretching these other angles before btc will basically mostly just result in more “slack” in the ligs in those directions while penis length will be the same until BTC lig directions stretched a good amount.


If your ligs are holding back some length, you won’t get it until the ligs lengthen. Lig gains are easy. I’d get whatever is possible out of them first.

Originally Posted by vkn1
I guess I’m basically just figuring why not work your other ligs too if you are already growing your BTC as fast as possible? Don’t you think it only would require a beginner to intermediate a fairly low amount of hanging at BTC to get the fastest growth possible?


Doing a little of this and a little of that is a good recipe for strengthening, which is what we don’t want. Another issue is time. I doubt a set or two per day in a given position is enough to make the best progress. Maybe it is in the first week or weeks, but you’re better off hanging more sets. Time under tension seems to be one important factor. The more the better. Also, by hanging more sets (in a single position) you can attain and ride fatigue using lighter weight.

Originally Posted by vkn1
Also, I really want my dick to stand firmly at attention and lot lower LOT any more than necessary. Do you think I am overestimating BTC’s effect on erection angle?


My angle went down some from PE. I don’t know how much was from hanging BTC. Many PE techniques stretch the ligs.

Originally Posted by kushextender
My thinking is, that once at this point the penis will not respond much to downward angles. So it’s S.O. For OTS from now on.


Opinions vary whether hanging upward will increase the length of the shaft behind the ligs enough to retension them. I agree that once the ligs are no longer restraining your length there is no point in further lengthening them.

Originally Posted by lostracco
n00bs and non gainers need not respond

I am neither and know a thing or two about hanging. All of my gains came from intensive time investments with a BIB.

But as Thunder points out some guys may just cop an attitude to comments like the above quote and I am one of them.

Best of luck in your hanging.


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