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Originally Posted by Yssupgnitaeevol
Ok, this makes more sense to me now. Maybe that is why I felt as if I have been hitting a wall, because I didn’t show any gains from measuring right after a session for a very long time now. I will measure on Monday. Will light manual stretches, as well as sitting on my dick while driving, during this 4 day rest peroiod head any signs of gains? I am not feeling any signs of fatigue from this work. I just feel as if I need to do some sort of light PE to keep from going stale.


I measure a lot, BUT I only record once a month. I may check myself out but I don’t find a lot of difference on a day to day basis. On a monthly basis though, that’s where you’ll see the gains. If not then you know it’s time to change something.

If you’ve not missed days in your routine then what is probably happening is your health is improving, meaning that your healing very very quickly. What you can do with that is take an aspirin a day or a nsaid. Either will slow your healing processes and allow for joint or cartilage stretching. I’ve found that NoXs work against gains because they increase healing speed and generate hormone production.

One other thing you might look at is over stress. That will cause a rebellion and shrinking of the ligs to protect themselves. Sometimes the only way to combat that condition is a decon of 2 to 3 months but that usually isn’t necessary. What you can do is stay with your routine. Slack off a set or two per day and keep your ADS all day. The ADS is the most important part as it will generate a relaxation of the ligs and a restoration of length. The one thing you don’t want to do is fight tissue rebellion. It will give but give it a few days to do so. If the relaxation doesn’t come then you only have a decon to fall back on but even during a decon you need to jelq and stretch. Before any decon you want to solidify your condition before you allow the bodies natural healing processes to take over that means stopping all hanging and continue with your ADS for at least a week before dropping it.


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights

Ok, I guess I will start hanging agian, as I do not want to lose anything. Hopefully my light manual stretches, as well as sitting on my dick(sit down stretch) while driving will have helped me not to lose anything. I have noticed that I have been able to pull my cock as far between my cheeks as I was able to before I came upon all these problems. So by that sign, I haven’t lost anything in BPFSL at least. Both of your arguments here sound good, but I am going to follow Monty’s advice because his stats are where most of want to get to-8 by 6. I have not been able to view any stats of yours, marinera. What are they, if you don’t mind me asking?

And by the way Monty, in accordance to you asking me to post my questions from my PM to you in the forum, what angle did you primarily hang at to achieve your gains? I am currently doing SO with the RS/DT fulcrum.

Originally Posted by Monty530
Slack off a set or two per day and keep your ADS all day. The ADS is the most important part as it will generate a relaxation of the ligs and a restoration of length.

To ADS “all day” is very hard for me. I have your PE weights, but after awhile my dick gets very sore from them. And my job does not allow me opportune times to take off and re-apply the weights on call. That’s why I do manual stretches when I get the time during the day. However, I do not have ample time to do a bunch of sets of manual stretches…usually about 3 or 4 tugs when time alllows. That may be enough to pull out the folds, but that is why I started this thread for a ANS wanted. If there were a good and safe way to ANS, then that 6-8 hour time frame at sleep time would greatly benefit me.

Yss, my stats are 8.86 BPEL, and about 6.5 EG midshaft. I started PE about 18 months ago.
However, this doesn’t menas nothing, right? If you think “the longer the penis the deeper the knowledge” you are really wrong.

You have to read the more you can on this thread, and to reason about what you read. Then, make a decision. My advice is: don’t do any PE work in this 4 days, then take measure; the first thing to know is: your gains are stalling or not? If they are not stalling, yuo can continue your work; if gains are lacking, then you have reached a plateau.

If you have reached a plateau, you should:

a) take a decon break, if you want to go ahead on “hard” PE work, like stretching or hanging; OR

b) start using extensively (at least 4 hours a day) an extender, or an ADS (less effective, by what I have read) - other way said, start prolonged low tension work.

Monty, if you never heard that hard work require recovery rest you should find a job. :)
Read more on this site (and elsewhere).
God had a day of rest, tells you something? Never read a Bible, also? :)

There is a basic physiological law that overuse and/or overwork cause progressive less adaptive reponse by the body; it’s an absolutely general phenomena, and experience of near everybody confirm that law.
If you train too much in the gym, you will not gain muscle; if you study too much the same matter, you’ll be annoyed and your learning progress will stop.

If you have never heard about it, you’ve never read a basic Physiology/Psychology handbook.

You are giving advice Yss taking medicines: are you a Doc?

And were you heard that aspirin elongate penises? Any reference?

You are saying contradictory things: he should rest if overworked, but not so much that’s needed for healing: if he has not to heal, why resting?

ADS and hanging/stretching works in likely opposites ways, and you are confusing things (and Yss ) applying a sort of universal “danger: healing” rule, that is not the case. If he overworked by hanging, continuing will lead in worse stalling gains and, in the long run, in risks of injuries.

Search for ModestoMan progresse report thread, in example, or my thread “Help! Can you explain this?”.

Maybe you will try useful reading this thread, also:

Physiologic Indicators (PIs) to help growth!

Search also for “IPR THeory” related threads.

Steady work? Who said his work is steady? If he get no gains doing that work, it isn’t steady; and if he got gains in the past doing that work, this means that now he is adapted: no more gains continuing that work, only harder/longer plateau.

About your experience: if you never had overworking problems, you don’t know what you are speaking about; I had an overwork problem, and 14 days of resting made me heal and re-get[b] lost gains.

You started giving advice without reading this whole thread, and continued speaking of things you know apparently nothing about: [b]Yss want to go ahead on hanging, where maybe hanging is giving him no results: should he do it without a decon break? If he want to use an ADS/extender, he can start just by now; but high tension stretching/hanging is counterproductive for him if he as touched a plateau.

(I doubled the post again: if the Mod wants, the preceding one can be deleted).


Last edited by marinera : 11-04-2007 at .

Originally Posted by marinera
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You have to read the more you can on this thread, and to reason about what you read.
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I was meaning: you have to read the more yuo can on this site. Sorry.

Originally Posted by Yssupgnitaeevol
And by the way Monty, in accordance to you asking me to post my questions from my PM to you in the forum, what angle did you primarily hang at to achieve your gains? I am currently doing SO with the RS/DT fulcrum.


For the past two years my hanging has been exclusively SO using a Bungee cord that I calibrate it to see what weight I’m pulling. IOW 44” mean I’m pulling 13 pounds, 46” means I’m pulling 14 pounds, etc, etc. It varies with the cord strength so each cord needs to be calibrated individually. By calibrated I mean to create a chart that tells you what weight for what length.

The angles I’m able to create from this method is very flexible. I usually start off with SO and then in the middle of a 20 minute set I’ll twist the hipps and do Over The Leg (OTL) for a couple of minutes. I have also applied fulcrums with my thumb and can get a good 90 degree angle on them as well but I’ve kind of backed off on them since wantsmore's contribution of golf ring fulcrums. Obviously they work with PEweights also and they really produce a fine stretch at all angles. Lately I’ve been doing them on every other day or every third day intervals and I think they make a great difference. So far my stats have shown great progress. Time will tell.

So tell me what the RS/DT fulcrum is.


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights

Originally Posted by Monty530
I have to chime in here. If you allow days of rest between sessions you will plateau. You will toughen. The bodies healing processes will see to that.

Monty I tend to agree with you on this point. My current routine is 7 days a week, I do not do hanging only stretching and jelqing but I agree that days of rest dont help and hurt your gains. However, I think some of the high intensity, so called “advanced” girth exercises cannot be done everyday. Anyway, I didn’t mean to hijack the thread, that is just my 2 cents.


BPEL - 5.75 inches

BPFSL - 6.25 inches

Girth is one of those things that we really don’t have a good handle on yet. Unlike hanging which we can add an ADS to, girth exercises we just don’t have an equivalent ADS for. If we did I think you would see guys going out to the 8” mark and eliminating themselves from the gene-pool. Unless you met a freak that wanted the fattest cock she could find to punish herself with I don’t think you would find many women that would like something that big. Then again, I may be wrong.


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights

I have to agree with both Monty and BigSwingingDick on this one. Rest days have been counterproductive to my routine. Every time I’ve taken days off from hanging upon returning I’ve had to increase the weight in order to start reaching fatigue again. The philosophy of allowing recovery time makes sense in the world of bodybuilding. However, I’m interested in a longer dick, not one that can lift the most weight. It makes absolutely no sense to me to take days rest in order to measure my dick.


Then (4.5 nbpel x 4.75 mseg)

Now (5.625 nbpel, x 5.25 mseg)

I would like to hear any facts sustaining that no rest -days are better then rest -days when hard PE work is involved.
For now, I see that DickBuilder (according his stats) has gained in 7 months of no-rest-days hanging what, in average, a routine like that:
stretching 30’+jelquing 30’ - 4 days per week

would produce. I would say he wasted lot of time.

Also, you are quite forgetting the basic fact: Yss was working according to your’ philosophy, 7/7 hanging. And he says :I’m stalling. If he is in a plateau, what is the cause : no rest or rest? Can not be rest- days: he hadn’t. So, the cause is exactly the absence of rest-days, we could presume.

Also, it’s a fallacy what you seem to believe: tunica has not to become elastic trough work; tunica is elastic at start. Work causes lessen of elasticity, in the tunica as in any other tissue. And when elastics limits of tunica are over-passed too often, tunica can just become harder and harder. In the rest days tears are repaired and tunica return at his elastic grade, with some more tissue, build in recovery days, that can be elongated in the same way that “old” tissue.

However, as I posted, this argument has been debated in lot of thread, here. You just have to search and read.

Originally Posted by marinera
I would like to hear any facts sustaining that no rest -days are better then rest -days when hard PE work is involved.


PE is not an exact science. Therefore, I do not dwell in the world of studies, hypotheses and theories. I can only convey my own personal experience.

Originally Posted by marinera
For now, I see that DickBuilder (according his stats) has gained in 7 months of no-rest-days hanging what, in average, a routine like that:
stretching 30’+jelquing 30’ - 4 days per week

would produce. I would say he wasted lot of time.


My last half inch in length and quarter inch in girth was the result of non-stop hanging over a span of 3 ½ months, from the beginning of June till mid Sept. I hardly think it was time ill-spent.

Originally Posted by marinera
Also, you are quite forgetting the basic fact: Yss was working according to your’ philosophy, 7/7 hanging. And he says :I’m stalling. If he is in a plateau, what is the cause : no rest or rest? Can not be rest- days: he hadn’t. So, the cause is exactly the absence of rest-days, we could presume.


Who knows? That’s why we’re brainstorming in this thread.

Originally Posted by marinera
Also, it’s a fallacy what you seem to believe: tunica has not to become elastic trough work; tunica is elastic at start. Work causes lessen of elasticity, in the tunica as in any other tissue. And when elastics limits of tunica are over-passed too often, tunica can just become harder and harder. In the rest days tears are repaired and tunica return at his elastic grade, with some more tissue, build in recovery days, that can be elongated in the same way that “old” tissue.


The above quote isn’t my understanding of how to elongate collagenous tissue. “And when elastics limits of tunica are over-passed too often, tunica can just become harder and harder”. Not my experience, in fact, mine has become longer and longer.


Then (4.5 nbpel x 4.75 mseg)

Now (5.625 nbpel, x 5.25 mseg)

Aren’t we a little off from the ANS issue which was the original subject here?


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights

Originally Posted by Monty530

So tell me what the RS/DT fulcrum is.


It is Rice sock/Duct Tape fulcrum. It is a fulcrum devised by someone on Bibs site. You can go to his site and do a search for it there, as a search here does not produce any results of that. I have the link for the thread, but I forgot if I am allowed to put a link up here or not. If I can, it is as follows- http://www.bibhanger.com/forums/php…ic.php?f=2&t=11 The fatigue from this angle is amazing, and it tagets your tunica and septum. As far as the girth you guys are talking about, what about using clamping instead of jelqing? You can just apply the clamp and sit back. Of course you’d want to be looking at porn or something to keep you hard.

Originally Posted by marinera
Also, you are quite forgetting the basic fact: Yss was working according to your’ philosophy, 7/7 hanging. And he says :I’m stalling. If he is in a plateau, what is the cause : no rest or rest? Can not be rest- days: he hadn’t. So, the cause is exactly the absence of rest-days, we could presume.


In hind sight, marinera, I TRIED to hang 7/7 at 2-4 hangs per session trying for morning and evening sessions. However, I could not meet that goal many times. In fact, many times I had to cut short plenty of hangs by 5-10 minutes. My free time isn’t on a regular time schedule, so there are some days where I don’t even get more than one hang in. So by this hindsight, I have unknowingly taken “your” rest philosophy. I think that this can, and probably is most of the reason I am not gaining right now any more. My consistency for hanging is very eratic. But your input is noted and much appreciated. And as far as- I would like to hear any facts sustaining that no rest -days are better then rest -days when hard PE work is involved., I have always felt that “The Proof is in the Pudding”. Many things in this world and life can not be supported by facts, or at least have not been documented by factual information/controlled studies. Who would put together a Controlled Study of 20+ guys hanging, and have half of them take rest days, and the other half of them not. That would seem absurd to the outside world. Well there’s a thought, maybe you or someone else could do that.

But I think Monty has gained so well because it is like he said and does, he uses an ADS all day-his PE weights. I am starting to use them again, as well as TRYING to get as many sets per day in as I can now. But the need to keep in the extended state, I am finding to be very true,and I think we might all gain much quicker if we did so. Shit, I wish I could wear those PE weights while I sleep…but that morning wood would kill me ;-P

Originally Posted by Monty530

Aren’t we a little off from the ANS issue which was the original subject here?


I am still wanting and needing an ANS

If an ANS is what you need then try the static stretcher. I use to wear mine close too 24 hours a day at times.


Then (4.5 nbpel x 4.75 mseg)

Now (5.625 nbpel, x 5.25 mseg)

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