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The same IP address is about the equivalent as the same companies being in the same strip mall by coincidence, when you have all of Canada and United States to choose where to set up business. We are beyond Lotto ticket odds with this.

The amount of public IPv4 addresses is 3,706,452,992. So the odds are over 1 in 3 billion that they share the same address. Also that doesn’t count that IPv6 is out there now. So the possible amount of public addresses are far, far beyond 3 billion. Again it could be a coincidence but we are talking maybe winning the lotto multiple times.

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This is the IPv6 pool. But it includes private. So the public number will be smaller. But when you see the total number you see how much of a coincidence we are talking.

340,282,366,920,938,463,463,374,607,431,768,211,45 6


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Originally Posted by sta-kool
ykm123321:

First things first I am speaking as a site member, not a mod.

As I am sure you know http://www.yourpenisenhancement.com/ and http://www.thegrippingtrainer.com/:

- both share the same IP address
- were created within a month of one another (GT first, then YPE)
- both promote the gripping trainer
- both have the >exact same< graphic style
- both sites’ registrant name and information “hidden”/witheld by the same registrant identity “hiding company”

While I really don’t approve of the poster above calling you a liar, surely it should come as no surprise to you that members are wondering if the owner or owners of the thegrippingtrainer website and the yourpenisenhancement are the same.

If one attempts to add everything up from the list above, it looks extremely suspicious.

Of course there are complicated explanations about coincidence etc that might explain it all away. I find all the things on the list above troubling, but the site creation dates and the hidden registrant information is pretty worrisome. But I am afraid I’m an Occam’s razor person.

All of this seems very questionable and skeptical people are going to continue to question you until you give them some reason to trust you.

As a fellow member I would be happy to make some suggestions to you that might help you stop people from being so skeptical.

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Now I am speaking as a mod

We’ve got several members here who sell PE gear, that is not a problem because they are totally honest upfront about it.


Originally Posted by bhcentral
The same IP address is about the equivalent as the same companies being in the same strip mall by coincidence, when you have all of Canada and United States to choose where to set up business. We are beyond Lotto ticket odds with this.

The amount of public IPv4 addresses is 3,706,452,992. So the odds are over 1 in 3 billion that they share the same address. Also that doesn’t count that IPv6 is out there now. So the possible amount of public addresses are far, far beyond 3 billion. Again it could be a coincidence but we are talking maybe winning the lotto multiple times.

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This is the IPv6 pool. But it includes private. So the public number will be smaller. But when you see the total number you see how much of a coincidence we are talking.

340,282,366,920,938,463,463,374,607,431,768,211,45 6

There are multiple squarespace designed websites that share IP addresses and design style because squarespace design style is a bit limited. The IP addresses linked to squarespace designed sites are squarespace IP addresses.

In the image attachment at the bottom you can see other sites that share the IP addresses as well. There are many more sites that share those IP addresses and they are also all squarespace designed sites.


ykm123321 is the owner of the gripping trainer website. He also surreptitiously posted here as LetsGrow123 in an effort to promote that site. Please take any product endorsements as very likely to be biased.

And the last screen shot I took showing another site that shares the squarespace IP addresses. I could get a thousand more if I felt like spending the time to do it.

I look forward to the day I can just come to Thunder’s each day and respond to a post or 2 about PE tools in whatever helpful way I can and not have to come read more of this stuff.

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ykm123321 is the owner of the gripping trainer website. He also surreptitiously posted here as LetsGrow123 in an effort to promote that site. Please take any product endorsements as very likely to be biased.

ykm123321 There is about 3000 websites on that IP. However, Squarespace has far more than one IP address. That IP is on one server with a range of other addresses. Even though there are 3000 websites on that IP, there isn’t 3000 individual companies or users. When I created websites I had hundreds of websites owned by me. It is very common for people to own multiple sites.

What concerns me is that the vast majority of those sites do not hide the owner information. That is something that I used to have to pay additional money for. However, the two sites in question both decide to hide their info. I could completely understand why you would choose to hide your registrar info because of the nature of PE. It is the other site that is intended to be primarily be used as a grip trainer that I question. Why would they hide their info?

The odds of the selling site and the review site being on the same server by purely coincidence is astronomical. Then the fact that both of them hide their registration info is just another coincidence among many others.

My name here comes from the fact that I used to do Black Hat SEO. This was a lifetime ago. However, I still remember many of the trick that I would do. I personally think that you own both sites and you got careless. Do I have irrefutable proof? No I don’t. I think the odds of you being the owner of both is in the 99.999% range and maybe even more.

I have nothing against you. If you want to sell a product please feel free. I just think it is better to be honest and upfront about it. Let the service and quality of the product that you provide speak for itself.

I don’t think I can explain to people well enough the odds of both websites being on the same server. I think every analogy I give will understate the odds of it happening.


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11/02/15 BPEL 7 1/8”, BPFSL 8 1/16”, EG Mid 5 1/4 —- Goals BPEL 7 1/2”, NBPEL 6 1/2", BPFSL 9” Motivational Resources Wanted

8/9/2014 259 lbs ---- 11/2/15 248 lbs 33.2% body fat Bhcentral's Progress Reports and Pictures

Originally Posted by bhcentral
ykm123321 There is about 3000 websites on that IP. However, Squarespace has far more than one IP address. That IP is on one server with a range of other addresses. Even though there are 3000 websites on that IP, there isn’t 3000 individual companies or users. When I created websites I had hundreds of websites owned by me. It is very common for people to own multiple sites.

What concerns me is that the vast majority of those sites do not hide the owner information. That is something that I used to have to pay additional money for. However, the two sites in question both decide to hide their info. I could completely understand why you would choose to hide your registrar info because of the nature of PE. It is the other site that is intended to be primarily be used as a grip trainer that I question. Why would they hide their info?

The odds of the selling site and the review site being on the same server by purely coincidence is astronomical. Then the fact that both of them hide their registration info is just another coincidence among many others.

My name here comes from the fact that I used to do Black Hat SEO. This was a lifetime ago. However, I still remember many of the trick that I would do. I personally think that you own both sites and you got careless. Do I have irrefutable proof? No I don’t. I think the odds of you being the owner of both is in the 99.999% range and maybe even more.

I have nothing against you. If you want to sell a product please feel free. I just think it is better to be honest and upfront about it. Let the service and quality of the product that you provide speak for itself.

I don’t think I can explain to people well enough the odds of both websites being on the same server. I think every analogy I give will understate the odds of it happening.

Well another day of dealing with this at Thunder’s :( I’m aware that sqaurespace has multiple IP addresses and that it is common for people to own multiple sites. Thanks for that info though.

Squarepace comes with domain privacy with every domain purchase through them. A squarespace user could disable it if they wanted to but it is automatically set up. I own 6 sites personally and all of them have domain privacy even though on 5 of them have my name and pictures are all over them. They did all come all come with domain privacy for free though.

Here’s a question for you though of course I hope it never gets answered so I can go spend my time here reading PE posts and seeing if I can give a helpful response but I’ll ask it anyways. Having purchased 2 gripping trainers I do know that the shipping address they use is not to far from where I lived when I created my video site. Just a town or 2 away. Would that have an effect on our shared IP addresses? Don’t feel obligated to answer because I am sure I can go find my answer though researching on google.


ykm123321 is the owner of the gripping trainer website. He also surreptitiously posted here as LetsGrow123 in an effort to promote that site. Please take any product endorsements as very likely to be biased.

Originally Posted by ykm123321
Well another day of dealing with this at Thunder’s :(

Unfortunately you will probably be dealing with this everyday until you have given people a satisfying answer.

Again speaking as a member. I want to say also, like bhcentral, I have nothing against you.

In my humble opinion you have a credibility problem which you yourself have created. This is not the fault of the members who are questioning you.

All of the ‘coincidences’ and your post contents mean that people may think one or more of the following things:

- you are the seller of the grip trainer
- or you are in the marketing department of the grip trainer company, doing stealth marketing
- or you are receiving some sort of compensation from the grip trainer company for positive reviews on your site, which came online only a month after the introduction of the product at http://www.thegrippingtrainer.com/
- and you are receiving some sort of compensation from the grip trainer company for aggressively flooding forums such as thundersplace with reviews and mentions of the grip trainer.

So far I’ve seen some very narrow “lawyerly” responses from you which I am afraid are more likely to make members more suspicious than less.

If I were to put myself in your shoes, this is what I would do to re-build my credibility and gain trust with thunders members.

Remember, all of these are friendly suggestions from a fellow member:

- come clean with exactly what the relationship is between you and the gripping trainer company.

People might get mad at you for a while but in the end honesty is the best policy. As I said before, we do have members who sell or are connected with companies that sell PE gear. It is not a big deal as long as people are upfront.

if there really is no relationship between you and grip trainer, then these two things would go far towards making people less skeptical and you more credible.

Simply clear away any appearance of impropriety on your part by:

- removing the grip trainer review from your website and announce it here on thundersplace.

- stop going on and on about it here on thunders 24/7


Last edited by sta-kool : 11-06-2015 at .

Originally Posted by sta-kool
Unfortunately you will probably be dealing with this everyday until you have given people a satisfying answer.

Again speaking as a member. I want to say also, like bhcentral, I have nothing against you………….

Basically you have a credibility problem which you yourself have created. This is not the fault of the members who are questioning you.

All of the ‘coincidences’ and your post contents mean that people may think one or more of the following things:

- you are the seller of the grip trainer
- or you are in the marketing department of the grip trainer company, doing stealth marketing
- or you are receiving some sort of compensation from the grip trainer company for positive reviews on your site, which came online only a month after the introduction of the product at http://www.thegrippingtrainer.com/
- and you are receiving some sort of compensation from the grip trainer company for aggressively flooding forums such as thundersplace with reviews and mentions of the grip trainer.

So far I’ve seen some sort of very narrow “lawyerly” responses from you which I am afraid are more likely to make members more suspicious than less.

If I put myself in your shoes, this is what I would do to re-build my credibility and gain trust with thunders members.

- come clean with exactly what the relationship is between you and the gripping trainer company.

People might get mad at you for a while but in the end honesty is the best policy. As I said before, we do have members who sell or are connected with companies that sell PE gear. It is not a big deal as long as people are upfront.

if there really is no relationship between you and grip trainer, then these two things would go far to making people less skeptical and you more credible:

- remove the grip trainer review from your website.

- stop going on and on about it here on thunders 24/7

I have no direct link to the gripping trainer. My only connection to them is the same as any tool on my video site. I had more communication with the VacHanger owner then any other tool on my site because I was given a VacHanger3 in exchange for how to use videos. The same went for the Bathmate xx40. And will soon be the case for the LG hanger. All other tools were purchased by me. Oh I was also given and x4 labs extender for how to videos.

I recommend others tools just as much as the gripping trainer on all of the forums. Except MOS. I never mention the gripping trainer their because I feel it would be wrong to do so as it is direct competition to the lengthmaster since it is just a cheaper version of it. I only recommend the gripping trainer at appropriate times.

My only interest lies in helping men more easily use PE tools.


ykm123321 is the owner of the gripping trainer website. He also surreptitiously posted here as LetsGrow123 in an effort to promote that site. Please take any product endorsements as very likely to be biased.

One Person's Two Cents

I love Thunder’s and I appreciate the moderators and everyone else who in some way contributes.

One thing that bothers me is, occasionally, there is an intense animosity and presumption of guilt directed towards those who may be involved in pe commercially.

These are moments when one would hope that a moderator would consistently intervene to re-establish civility and a presumption of innocence. Sadly, this is not always the case.

Still, Thunders is my favorite pe place, and I plan to continue to donate occasionally to support.

YKM, thanks for your participation, and I hope you still feel welcome and appreciated here.


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Unfortunately in the case of ykm, the hostility is deserved. I spent rather a long time hoping it was not. He comes across as an amiable guy, it’s such a pity it’s a front. The account should have been banned some time ago. I will do it now.

YKM runs the gripping trainer site. The chances of this not being the case are vanishingly small.
Same relatively unusual hosting company
Domains registered within a short period using same registrar

More details:

sta-kool - What does Thunders place think about Matters of Size?

We knew all this and let him carry on posting to see what would happen. It’s useful that we did because later we found that he has used two accounts to post here, his ykm account and LetsGrow123. Note the way the two play off each other, where his LetsGrow123 account is used for the more overt pushing of the gripping trainer. LetsGrow123 even used to recommend videos that have now been deleted and reposted in the guise of ykm.

All in all ykm is a very good example of guerilla marketing. He could have chosen to come here and be honest with us. Instead he chose to astroturf and hide his true intent. It’s a pity but you find a lot of people doing this. Bathmate are probably the most obvious example of this surreptitious marketing because they do it so much but ykm is pretty advanced.


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Originally Posted by memento
Unfortunately in the case of ykm, the hostility is deserved. I spent rather a long time hoping it was not. He comes across as an amiable guy, it’s such a pity it’s a front. The account should have been banned some time ago. I will do it now.

YKM runs the gripping trainer site. The chances of this not being the case are vanishingly small.
Same relatively unusual hosting company
Domains registered within a short period using same registrar

More details:

sta-kool - What does Thunders place think about Matters of Size?

We knew all this and let him carry on posting to see what would happen. It’s useful that we did because later we found that he has used two accounts to post here, his ykm account and LetsGrow123. Note the way the two play off each other, where his LetsGrow123 account is used for the more overt pushing of the gripping trainer. LetsGrow123 even used to recommend videos that have now been deleted and reposted in the guise of ykm.

All in all ykm is a very good example of guerilla marketing. He could have chosen to come here and be honest with us. Instead he chose to astroturf and hide his true intent. It’s a pity but you find a lot of people doing this. Bathmate are probably the most obvious example of this surreptitious marketing because they do it so much but ykm is pretty advanced.


Glad to see him gone. When you come off as a know it all, you tend to piss people off.


Serious starting point: Nov. 2, 2009/BPEL 5.75 x 4.75 inches.

Current BPEL 7 1/2 x 5.5 inches.

Goal: BPEL 8 x 6 inches. Hell, if I hit 8, I'm going for 9!

So do you know if we can still buy The Gripping Trainer ? His website seems down now.

Well, whether he was a fraud or not I like his videos.

Either way I have both BIB and Vachanger.

I have gained 1” with vachanger but it’s done and done at 8 pounds for me. It made my penis minced meat at this weight and there is no way I go above this so I think it’s limited to lower weights. Anyone who says they go for sets at 15lbs. I would question that claim very carefully. I can’t picture it. 10 pounds must be a nightmare. The vacuum is just just too much at 7+ pounds, so I can’t imagine 15 pounds or such no matter the wrap.

Bib Hanger-Hate this device. Absolutely despise it and think it’s a piss poor design. I also think people shill the F%^& out of this product as I can’t picture people liking this hanger.


This account is another iteration of the previously banned deadwood187 (see his previous end). He delights in trolling this board for some reason.

It seems you f@ck up dude sorry try again

Back on topic haha, I’m currently at 16.25 lbs for 40 minutes with the LG Hanger. I recently went up from 15 lbs and will probably be at this weight for a few more weeks. It does take time to get your “taping” down right but once you get the right setup and slowly progress you can go up to heavier weights. You have to progress slow, know what vacuum level to use and stop the set if you feel any itching or pain to stop the set. If anyone has questions or needs help with their vacuum based hanger setup you can see my signature.


My MaxVac Setup Longerstretch's Golf Weight and HTW setup My Log

Starting Size: circa 2003: 5 BPEL x 5.0 MSEG August 2007: 6 2/3 BPEL x 5.5 MSEG

04/22/08: 7.5 BPEL x 5.6 MSEG... On and Off again for a while... Restart PE in late 10/2013... 11/25/13: 7.75 BPEL x 5.75 MSEG

It will be interesting to see how you cope at around the 20lbs point. Keep us informed. Nice thread in your sig, btw.


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