A Possible Breakthrough. About TIME !
Since mid to late 2006 I have been scouring the internet for information about the characteristics about ligaments and “permanent elongation”, which is what we all seek when targeting the suspensory ligament of the penis.
Most of the information that I would come across had already been mentioned here at Thunder’s. Nevertheless, I continued to search for more information on the net through the use of search engines. Just this week I found a few additional sites or writings that did not come up in my previous searches.
Recently I’ve began to feel that I “almost” have enough information to merit a new thread or article here on the forum. Nevertheless, I have not yet been satisfied with my level of understanding, accuracy, and the organization of the information to present. So, I’ve only continued to search and read once again.
Well, today I read over a couple of IPR threads and others about weight versus time such as the thread “More proof that long periods of hanging my be beneficial”. Reading these threads caused me to go back over one interesting study that I found, and well it so excites me to have found the information that I can’t wait any longer to further understand all of the information about elongating ligaments, or organize it perfectly.
So, here is some very interesting information that I found about how much time it takes for a ligament to recover from being stretched beyond its origanal length, which is also know as “strain” or “creep”.
“Arms et al.2 reported strains in thehuman medial collateral ligament MCL of 4% at 120°
of ﬂexion during passive knee motion and Hull et al.13 reported human MCL strains up to 7.7%2.9% undercombined loading. Strains in these studies are based
upon in situ changes in length. The onset of mechanical
damage in the rat MCL has been shown by Provenzano
et al.21 to be at 5.1% strain after experimental preload exvivo. At strains below this threshold the tissue will return
to its original, preloaded length after a recovery time
equal to ten times the duration of tissue loading during
the test. 21 Previous studies have not studied viscoelasticbehavior at multiple deformation or load levels through-
out the physiologic domain of recoverable loading.”
So, here is the new information that I’m excited about, “At strains below this threshold the tissue will return to its original, preloaded length after a recovery time equal to TEN TIMES the duration of tissue loading during the test”.
“How is that applicable to lig focused routines” you may ask? Well first, we need to understand that for permanent elongation to take place, the ligament needs to experience a strain of just over 5.1%. Remember strain or creep is the amount of stretch that has occured in the ligament beyond its original extended length.
Well, to shoot only for a strain of 5.1% in one session may be dangerous, due to the fact that we do not know beforehand how much weight and time it will take, and one may over estimate the force required.
Still, it is my own personal belief that this is how newbies achieve easy gains. They are able to achieve a sufficient strain without using excessive force. Also, this may be how the IPR micro-cycle worked for Exeno. He deconditioned enough, “and” was able to accurately estimate the amount of weight and time needed. ADS’ing also extends time under tension, even though the tension is low, I believe that it can cover a person and give him sufficient TIME.
If you do not reach a sufficient strain in one session or day, then the IPR route is not best for you. So then this information about the time necessary for ligaments to recover from the strain is applicable in that we can hang for long enough on consecutive days, in order to accumulate enough strain that will eventually exceed that 5.1% threshold.
For example one could hang for 3 hours total each day with about 8 lbs. , or some other weight that is light enough to hang on consecutive days. If the 8 lbs. isn’t enough to produce a sufficient strain in one day, part of that strain will still be present in the ligs on the nest day.
The math would go as follows. 3 hours of the first 24 hour day hanging, which would require 30 hours for the ligament to fully recover (ten times the 3 hours). Then on the next day you hang at the same time. Only 21 hours passed since you began your last session. Only 66% or 2/3 of the recovery time has lapsed. Therefore, you can add the success of your second session on top of the strain still existing in your ligs from the previous day.
If you do not reach sufficient strain in one session or day, and then give your ligs too much time to recover, as in more than ten times the amount of time that you were hangind, your ligs will only begin to build up a resistance to that particular amount of weight (force) used. The ligs begin to build up a tolerance or resistance to a specific amount of force as soon as hanging begins, but it is very minute and increases over days and weeks. This happens by the collagen matrix beggining to align itself in the most effective manner to avoid damage being done to the ligs. Still, damage is what we are seeking, sub-failure damage, possbly micro-tears, but I need to research more in order to be sure.
Another source, that I cannot seem to find the link to again, stated that the 40% - 60% of the strain (additional stretch) is recovered in the ligament within the first hour after the load is removed. Then, the rest of the strain is recovered from within 24 - 48 hours. Well, now instead of only knowing about that broad 24-48 hours, we have an exact multiplier of ten times the amount of time that the ligament spent under the load.
The link to the site is http://silver.neep.wisc.edu/~lakes/LigNLV.pdf
For it to be a true breakthrough, I’m sure that we need results in the form of length gains as proof.
Still, I feel that the many of the vets here have gained with routines that line up with this time multiplier.
For example, it has be stated that most (other than newbies) require ten hours or more of hanging in order to see gains. Now, if a guy followed the hanging 101 routine, he would hang 5 on, and 2 off. If he followed the rule of 10 hours or more, he would hang at least 2 hours each day. With two hours hang time, 6 x 20 minutes, and 10 minutes rest between each session, at least 3 hours have been spent on the daily routine. Now that leaves him 21 hours before the next day sessions. Using the “ten times” rule regarding hang time for recovery, the strain in his suspesory ligament will last for 20 hours, almost 21. That may be the very reason for the 10 hour minimum hang time threshold for those who are not newbies. Also, I have reason to believe that ADS’ing will slow down the rate at which the strain is lost in the ligs. This may be how light ADS’ing is effective. Also, somewhat heavier ADS’ing may even add additional buildup of strain/creep, however it may be minute, or only be more effective at slowing down the loss/recovery of strain/creep. (when I use the word recovery, I’m not refering to healing, but to the ligament lossing the strain or creep that was induced in it) This may be why ADS’ing combined with heavier work is helping some begin to gain. This also “possibly” explains newbie gains, and gains by vets with extensive routines that exhibit the use of heavier weights (sub-failure damage/beyond 5.14% in one day), or more time (enough time with light weigts/force to accumulate strain over consecutive days).
I’m going on further than I initially intended, much further. I need to stop for now.
So, what are your thoughts?
Oh, all rights remain with the authors of the study. The reference or work cited is the link above.