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kingpole, your idea for stages sounds pretty good. The ligs probably do play a big role in newbie gains, as has been mentioned here by many members. I don’t know jack about the ideas behind smooth muscle work. I’ll have to do some reading.

Originally Posted by Kojack10
Kingpole, your idea for stages sounds pretty good. The ligs probably do play a big role in newbie gains, as has been mentioned here by many members. I don’t know jack about the ideas behind smooth muscle work. I’ll have to do some reading.

It is a theory. Anti inflammatory properties of substances like cinnamon on smooth muscle walls, especially inside the lumens of arteries. Often a heart attack is a result of an inflammatory response. Combine cinnamon with ginkgo for instance and you have a relaxed not stressed out blood vessel that has been dilated thus reducing the incidence of a stroke or coronary.

This relates to penis health in that their are many arteries in the penis that can constrict. ED may be a first sign of impending coronary disease. This combination will I believe help with faster gains by making the penis less Resistance to stretching it.


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The info about the cinnamon and ginkgo is very interesting. It’s something to consider. I especially like what you said about ED revealing problems with a guy’s circulatory system. That makes sense.


Last edited by Mr. Happy : 10-04-2007 at . Reason: ginkgo for ginko

Originally Posted by Kojack10
The info about the cinnamon and ginkgo is very interesting. It’s something to consider. I especially like what you said about ED revealing problems with a guy’s circulatory system. That makes sense.

So on a personal note what preparation do you do before hanging?


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Last edited by Mr. Happy : 10-04-2007 at . Reason: spelling

Originally Posted by Kojack10
Vkn1, you may be right, permanent elongation may begin to occur after reaching a strain of a certain percentage. Even though we are stretching other tissues besides the ligs, collagen is still a main factor.

It is very possible that the 5.1% threshold will not apply to these other tissues, but I’d put money that it will be between 2% and 7%, since ligaments fail/tear at strains of about 8 - 10%.

I have an idea for actually testing this myself. I will measure my FSBPL before starting a routine. I will measure right after each PE session. After my FSBPL has increased by 5%, I will take a deconditioning break. By measuring the strain so frequently, I will be able to tell if the amount of weight that I am using, or the amount of “time” is producing enough strain/elongation each session. If I’m not seeing at least 1 mm increase after a session, how could I expect to reach a total increase of 5% after many days.

If some permanent increase in my FSBPL in seen after deconditioning, I may opt to shoot for only 4% next time. By doing this it may be possible to find the lowest increase in elongation that causes some “permanent elongation”.

Basically, I still believe that we have to cross a threshold before anything permanent occurs. Other than that, we are just utilizing the elastic ability of connective tissue. I believe that total time under tension will play an important role in the outcome of what happens in the connective tissue.

Sorry, I worded that badly. By different “materials” there I actually meant ligs vs tunica. People were talking about the two as if they were apples and oranges, with notion that the strain idea gets thrown off by this, but I was thinking more along lines that you are in sense that I assume both ligs and tunica are both basically made of collagen, only tunica is woven and oriented and stuff in manner that makes it much tougher to achieve the same strain in. But that 5.1% lengthening of tunica would produce same persistent “growth” as 5.1% lengthening of something like ligs.

In other words, I was just trying to point out that maybe just focusing on achieving 5.1% strain in the whole dick structure including everything would result in growth and that you didn’t need to think about the constituent components of the structure. If one component stops stretching anymore or something, well then if you’re still putting 5.1% strain into the structure, then some other collagen-composed component of the structure is getting elongated to a degree (the 5.1% strain) that will result in growth.

Originally Posted by gold_member
I do not necessarily agree with you. There are two scenarios you must consider before making a blanket statement regarding the effectiveness of ligament stretching. The two scenarios are illustrated in the following drawing (credit to Bib):

My statement about stretching the ligs and how there is nothing to gain by doing so is based on my personal experience. Let me explain. I am cut really tight and have significant turkey neck and hair pulled down the shaft when erect. So, I incorporated Kong’s ‘reverse erect skin stretches’ into my routine. Which work really well I might add. Anyways, when I started hanging I began by focusing on the ligs by hanging SD and BTC.

It wasn’t long before I noticed that when I was pushing down on my penis, doing my skin stretches, I began to feel really loose at the base. My penis would shift to the side and I really no longer could push the skin down like I use to be able to do when my penis was held up close to the pubic bone. I had apparently lowered my exit point. And, the consequence of doing so was instability of my penis at the base, which effected my skin stretching. Oh, and I gained nothing in erect length from all that lower angle hanging, focusing on my ligs. I quickly came to my own conclusion that I like my penis held up close to the pubic bone and stretching the ligs results no gains to erect length.

Originally Posted by ModestoMan


I think the dense cord of connective tissue you feel is actually the dorsal thickening of your tunica. This link might help describe that. Its fibers run from the glans all the way to the pelvic bones (ischiopubic rami). However, some fibers of the tunica’s dorsal thickening extend up and merge with the susp. ligament.

ModostoMan, that link was very helpful. I decided to read up more about the tunica, and I spotted other replies that you made mentioning the “dorsal thickening”. That very well may be what I feel. That structure that I feel is definitely my limiting factor. You know, it is very hard to imagine the dorsal vein being that strong anyway.

Originally Posted by Dick Builder
I am cut really tight and have significant turkey neck and hair pulled down the shaft when erect. So, I incorporated Kong’s ‘reverse erect skin stretches’ into my routine. Which work really well I might add.

Try simple TOW stretches. When you stretch the skin on the underside of your penis, you will eliminate the turkey neck. The Static Stretcher is essentially a low-tension, long duration TOW-stretcher. It eliminated my turkey neck in less than two months. I imagine the same can be done with manual TOW stretches.


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Hi Gold-member,

I somewhat agree with you about the static stretcher and elimination of turkey neck. I found that visually my turkey neck was better but, that was only because the scrotal skin was sort of trained to stay up close to the shaft. I did not notice any actual growth in my penile shaft skin.

I do agree that TOW stretches are highly effective. I do them in conjunction with my piss pulls. They not only stretch skin, they prepare the shaft for the fulcrum stretches that will follow, by removing excess blood from the shaft and warming up the soft tissues.

I was thinking about modifying my static stretcher (in order to recoup my investment) to a skin stretching device. The stretch/relaxation technique may work better in stretching skin than it did in the collagenous tissues, at least for me. I was going to cut the wrap to the same width as the distal abutments and Velcro straps for just behind the head. Then purchase two more distal abutments for the hairline and cut the wrap to the same width for that area as well. This way I could focus the stretch solely on the shaft skin. What do you think?

Fantastic thread Kojak! Dick Builder we have the same exact problems and I know exactly where you’re coming from with everything you are talking about from turkey necks to hanging at low angles doing virtually nothing for gains. Lately I have been focusing on tunica stretching because having a low lot, and just in general I believe that is what we PEer’s really need to focus on. I think we need to stop researching lig gains (or essentially newbie gains) and really start putting more research and effort into tunica gains. You should definitely look into the wantsmore stretches with golf weights. They fatigue the tunica like crazy! You will be thanking me. Here is the link: Using golf weights to stretch- the best fulcrum stretching I’ve EVER done

That idea involving skin stretching with the SS sounds good Dick Builder. Let me know how it goes because I have been letting my SS sit in the ol’ PE box for quite some time now. I don’t know if you saw my Official Turkey Neck Thread! so check it out.

Oh and let me just tell you guys something. I know exactly what gold member is saying because I would do v and a stretches in the morning then throw on golf weights for the whole day and believe me or not I saw a .25” gain in BPEL in two to three weeks, and folks I am no newbie. If only ADS weren’t so uncomfortable I’m sure my penis would be hitting the floor by now. I AM THE ULTIMATE LAZY PEer and I hate myself for it!


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Originally Posted by vkn1
Sorry, I worded that badly. By different “materials” there I actually meant ligs vs tunica. People were talking about the two as if they were apples and oranges, with notion that the strain idea gets thrown off by this, but I was thinking more along lines that you are in sense that I assume both ligs and tunica are both basically made of collagen, only tunica is woven and oriented and stuff in manner that makes it much tougher to achieve the same strain in. But that 5.1% lengthening of tunica would produce same persistent “growth” as 5.1% lengthening of something like ligs.

In other words, I was just trying to point out that maybe just focusing on achieving 5.1% strain in the whole dick structure including everything would result in growth and that you didn’t need to think about the constituent components of the structure. If one component stops stretching anymore or something, well then if you’re still putting 5.1% strain into the structure, then some other collagen-composed component of the structure is getting elongated to a degree (the 5.1% strain) that will result in growth.


Which is why I think after a stretching routine you shouldn’t just be throwing on an ADS that keeps the ligs stretched, but instead one that keeps the whole penis stretched including the tunica which is why I think ADS that is attached to the glans is the best form although it may not be the most comfortable or safest.


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Hey gold member I searched about TOW stretches but couldn’t find anything specific except fo kong’s exercise. Could you explain in detail what these are?


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Can anyone tell me what a tow stretch is? I really don’t want to have to start another thread.


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Originally Posted by philio1

Can anyone tell me what a tow stretch is? I really don’t want to have to start another thread.

So there’s LoveMachine’s TOW stretcher. TOW stretches are just the manual version of that, i.e. pulling at the tip like a regular stretch but also pulling in the opposite direction, at the base.


Then: 6.75" x 5" ----> Now: 8.5" x 5.75"

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Thanks I appreciate it.


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