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6:00 LOT no gains in hanging?

Been reading bibs forum and they said with 6:00-7:00 Lot you have no real potential gains from hanging. You see around 3 years back I got into hanging but didn’t check my LOT. I gained 1/2 of an inch very very quickly. I am at like a 6:00-7:00 LOT now. Does that mean I can’t gain BTC? Does everyone think the LOT theory is accurate?

No actually the whole LOT theory is as good as dead. It’s been debunked. In other words, forget about LOT.


Dec '09 : NBPEL: 6'' x EG: 5.1'' x FL: 2" -----> Aug '10 : NBPEL: 6.3'' x EG: 5.6'' x FL: 2"

Yeah, don't worry. It did not take me 8 months to get these gains. I was more off than on when it came to PE :O

Goal: EL: 7.25" x EG: 6.2" x FL: 4"

Oh thank god. Just spent $100.00 on ordering the hanger and have a 6:00 LOT.

I look at bibforum a lot, I don’t think they say that in so many words, I’m not saying you are lying, but I think you should look closer at the whole picture of threads there. There are many people there with 6-7 LOT, and I don’t think anyone has told them that they have NO potential for gains. I have 6-7 LOT, and I’ve been told I could have 2-3 inches of length to pull out, Bibs theory seems to be that there isn’t a limitation to how much you could gain with hanging, even after lig gains there is an unlimited potential for tunica gains too.

I Also don’t think the LOT theory has been ruined, just challenged, I don’t think there has been enough evidence to say that it is false. It seems like a lot of sense, and there are a lot of strong points, just because there are a lack of answers to a few questions it doesn’t mean we should disregard such a respectful study/theory. A LOT of it makes sense 8)


Start 6.5 bpel 5.75 eg Current bpel 7.0 eg 6.75 (7.0eg base) Goal bpel 7.25 eg 7.0 mid shaft

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Originally Posted by 17ml
A LOT of it makes sense 8)

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Dec '09 : NBPEL: 6'' x EG: 5.1'' x FL: 2" -----> Aug '10 : NBPEL: 6.3'' x EG: 5.6'' x FL: 2"

Yeah, don't worry. It did not take me 8 months to get these gains. I was more off than on when it came to PE :O

Goal: EL: 7.25" x EG: 6.2" x FL: 4"

Originally Posted by 17ml
I Also don’t think the LOT theory has been ruined, just challenged, I don’t think there has been enough evidence to say that it is false. It seems like a lot of sense, and there are a lot of strong points, just because there are a lack of answers to a few questions it doesn’t mean we should disregard such a respectful study/theory. A LOT of it makes sense 8)

Is there any evidence that it is true? If so, please feel free to present it. What are the strong points, exactly?


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I kind of held the same point of view. Ligaments go through a cycle of stretching and healing in extended state. All I need 1 more solid inch to hit that 8 NBPEL. =) Thats all I want 1 inch length! Oh and 1 inch girth hehehe.

LOT is a theory, not a law.

Only way to find out if you can gain from hanging is to give it a go.

I cant wait to give hanging a try, unfortunately I simply don’t have the time or privacy.

Good luck! I hope you get your inch.


Starting (10 / 2006): 5.8~BPEL, 5~BG ----> Current: 7.6 BPEL, 5.6 BG ----> Goal: Pringles Can

No disrecpect to anyone, but sometimes I feel people rubbish the whole theory, I know for sure Modestoman you have treated it with respect and have quite effectively shown there are doubts on certain facts about the ligaments being harder to “peel” off if you have a low LOT.

I have seen a lot of valid points you make. But a lot of people on thunders seem to turn up on peoples thread and just blurt out “LOT theory is wrong forget about it!” without taking into consideration the hard work that went into the theory, that’s all I’m trying to say.

We are all pushing to discover new ways that help us to enlarge our penis’s and sometimes I feel passionate about the whole thing, I didn’t mean to cause you any offence if I did, I know you are very respected on thunders and I too hold a lot for respect for your work, I have followed a lot of your posts with great interest.

Taking into consideration you eye for detail I expect you know a little about what I’m speaking of, I could pick out a lot of threads where people totally tear the shit out of the LOT theory saying it’s a total waste of time. I read your posts about LOT theory in detail and I noticed you did find some good points to the theory, though a lot of it was inconclusive, a lot of people only remember the negative side to the theory.

What do you think big M?


Start 6.5 bpel 5.75 eg Current bpel 7.0 eg 6.75 (7.0eg base) Goal bpel 7.25 eg 7.0 mid shaft

Progress routine and pics/vids

I don’t know if I’m the big M, but what I do think is that there are already more than enough threads on LOT theory.

In pratical terms, ligs gains have a little role, your penis will not grow by several inches even if you cut your suspensory ligs. Good gains have been made by people who didn’t give attention to LOT, bad gains by people who knew the theory in all details and tried to apply. So, ‘Don’t care about LOT’ is a good advice IMHO.

Sounds like good advice M. You are also big M, Modesto is another big M.

Together you could be Eminem, or M and M’s, or if we found someone called big R we could categorise you all as MMR, but that wouldn’t be right would it? 8)

I just laughed so hard my hanger nearly tore my glans off.


Start 6.5 bpel 5.75 eg Current bpel 7.0 eg 6.75 (7.0eg base) Goal bpel 7.25 eg 7.0 mid shaft

Progress routine and pics/vids

LOL at “Big M.”

When you look back at the history of LOT Theory, you’ll see that it started out as a hunch on Bib’s part, which he thought made sense based on a very small sampling of data from people who did a lot of hanging.

That “hunch” was repeated and echoed throughout this forum and elsewhere, until it evolved into what many believed to be accepted wisdom from vets, especially Bib, who was thought at the time to be the most successful vet of them all.

But was there really a lot of hard work behind the theory? I think not. For example, no clear anatomical model was ever presented that demonstrated the effects Bib was claiming. Bib tried to create one when I challenged the theory, but it was incomplete and incorrect in many respects. There also are no reliable data available either to support or refute LOT Theory’s predictions. In fact, when you look back, you’ll see that virtually no effort was made to prove the theory at all. It was simply stated, repeated, and eventually became accepted.

Several years ago I created the LOT Simulator in an attempt to demonstrate the theory in action. After spending many hours playing with the simulator, at best I could show that stretching the ligs, even to extremes, caused LOT to decrease by only 15 minutes on the time clock. I suggest that a 15 minute change in LOT is not a measurable difference, not from one year to the next, or even one minute to the next. The simulator simply did not show that lig length and LOT had a whole lot to do with each other. Of course, the simulator may be incomplete or wrong, or I might be using it incorrectly.

But, at a certain point, I came to feel that the burden shouldn’t be on me to disprove LOT Theory, when nobody had ever gone through the trouble to prove it. Really, it was just a hunch that caught on. The burden should be on the people promoting the theory, and they’ve come up with nothing as far as I’ve seen.


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Last edited by ModestoMan : 03-30-2010 at .

I hope to hell its wrong. I have a 6:00 LOT. I think I am going to stick to my hanging routine for 3 months and see if I gain. If I don’t then off to tunica stretching!

Hey Uplink. Before I even started PE my LOT was at 6:00 to 7:00 as well. I really don’t believe in the LOT theory but I have to admit that my primary hanging angle has been tunica hanging or straight up hanging and I have gained trememdously from it. The LOT thoery states that guys with low LOTS like you and me can still make gains from hanging straight out or straight up to hit the tunica and inner tissues within the base instead of the ligs. If you have been in a stump with BTC or straight down hanging then try straight out or straight up while laying down flat on your back with a pulley system.


(Starting size) (NBPEL: 8 Inches), (BPEL: 8.5 Inches) (BPFSL: Didn't measure then), (Midshaft Girth: 5.2 Inches), (Base Girth: 5.5 Inches)
(Current size) (NBPEL: 9.3 Inches), (BPEL: 9.7 Inches), (BPFSL: 10.3 Inches), (Midshaft Girth: 5.8 Inches), (Base Girth: 6.35 Inches)
(Final Goal) To be the next Mandingo LOL.

Banned.

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