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What Benefits does an ADS provide?

I seem to remember one study posted here that suggested production of new ECM could be triggered by stretching force on the fibroblasts without causing what you’d call damage.

Prolotherapy is not used to heal microtears.

Prolotherapy is also known as “proliferation therapy,” “regenerative injection therapy,”[1] or “proliferative injection therapy”. It involves injecting an otherwise non-pharmacological and non-active irritant solution into the body, generally in the region of tendons or ligaments for the purpose of strengthening weakened connective tissue and alleviating musculoskeletal pain.[2][3][4][5] The precise mechanism of action for prolotherapy is currently unclear.[6]
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Major medical insurance policies view prolotherapy as an investigational or experimental therapy with an inconclusive evidence base. Consequently, they currently do not provide coverage for prolotherapy procedures.[14][15][16] Medicare reviewers in 1999 determined at that time that practitioners had not provided “any scientific evidence on which to base a [different] coverage decision,” and so retained Medicare's current coverage policy to not cover prolotherapy injections for chronic low back pain, but expressed willingness to reconsider if presented with results of “further studies on the benefits of prolotherapy.”[17]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prolot…-based_medicine

….Prolotherapy injections have been used to treat chronic low-back pain for over 50 years but their use remains controversial. They involve repeatedly injecting ligaments with compounds such as dextrose (sugar) and lidocaine (anaesthetic) to help restart the body's natural healing process by causing controlled acute inflammation (swelling) in the areas injected. Proponents believe this leads to stronger ligaments that can better support the low-back. Prolotherapy injections are often combined with other treatments such as spinal manipulation, exercises, and corticosteroid injections into tender muscles to maximize its effect.

This review included five studies that examined the effects of prolotherapy injections on 366 patients with low-back pain that had lasted for longer than three months.
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Of the five studies we reviewed, three found that prolotherapy injections alone were not an effective treatment for chronic low-back pain and two found that a combination of prolotherapy injections, spinal manipulation, exercises, and other treatments can help chronic low-back pain and disability.
Based on these five studies, the role of prolotherapy injections for chronic low-back pain is still not clear.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/…72ED 6B.f01t03

So yes, it has doubious efficacy and yes, it has nothing to do with lengthening healthy tissue.


Last edited by marinera : 07-29-2014 at .

Hey Monty, prolotherapy is indeed pretty dubious. It is still experimental at best and much of the research shows that it is not very effective for treating the conditions it is generally prescribed for. If you google “prolotherapy insurance” or “prolotherapy criticism” you will see what I mean. Basically no insurance will cover it because it is “experimental” or “possibly ineffective.” Also, like I said, the research on it is mostly inconclusive or negative.

But I know that wasn’t something you were saying would be a good way to achieve gains, but just the opposite: the complete healing is something we don’t want. Is that accurate?

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I figures marinara, you miss the point even though you supported mine.


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Last edited by Monty: : 07-29-2014 at .

Damn Maranera! You’re too quick on the trigger! Beat me to it. :)

Capernicus, you can stimulate fibroblast activity and remodeling without causing very much trauma at all, like imperceptible amounts. That link Maranera posted a bit ago backs this up as well, although the link is dead to the actual paper. Note though, fibroblast activity will still remain high even with greater (moderate) relative stress levels, and the tissue will lose structural integrity as well due to the failure of collagen fibers, this will produce a bit more net elongation - but this also produces more toughening as the tissue needs to remodel stronger as well. So when is the trade off acceptable and when is it not? I don’t know. Everyone will need to decide for themselves I suppose.

Originally Posted by marinera
Prolotherapy is not used to heal microtears.

Who said it was?


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11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights

Monty, I think I’m following you. To clarify you are saying that forced, complete healing - as in prolotherapy - is not desirable for PE, correct?

Not saying I agree with the theory but I don’t think Marinera completely read what Monty was trying to get at.

Originally Posted by Monty:
Such is what happens when trauma takes place in the penis structures and we disallow healing to take place in its complete form we control the lengthening of the those structures for our intentions.


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Really? Explain what I have misunderstood in Monty’ posts and how prolotherapy fits in it, thanks.

Originally Posted by rootsnatty

Monty, I think I’m following you. To clarify you are saying that forced, complete healing - as in prolotherapy - is not desirable for PE, correct?

Exactly. The reference to Prolotherapy is merely a lead in to the explaination of healing phases. Yeah Prolotherapy would be overkill for us and unnecessary.


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights

If anyone is interested in how to keep golf rings or PEWeights on for an ADS, here is a link to a video that will demonstrate the technique.

Wrapping for PEweights Video


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights

Thought I’d attach a picture here of what an ADS using rings looks like: One of the pictures shows a ring stack complete and the other shows the same stack with a sheath covering the gland.

Please Note that this not a normal amount of rings to wear. There are 7 rings in the pictures which would amount to 70oz or 4.3lbs. A bit more then practical to wear on a daily basis. BTW each ring is 3/4” thick.


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights


Last edited by ThunderSS : 07-31-2014 at .
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