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Your Secret To Gaining - Focus On What's Holding You Back

Originally Posted by spaghettidick
C’mon guys they need more measurements. Don’t you want to hear their theory?

Thanks for the support!! Measurements are still coming in very slowly.

Help us out guys or we’re just going keep bugging you. You’re going to see this thread a lot until we get our 100 guys.
Take out your ruler tonight, take 10 minutes measure and submit your stats. remek will buy you lunch if you do! (just kidding!)


Let me tell you the secret that has led me to my goal: my strength lies solely in my tenacity.

Louis Pasteur

Originally Posted by remek
Chunky - If the theory was proven right, your data would suggest that you need to work out the tunica, as it’s the one holding you back. I’m curious, what’s your routine like now?

About people’s measurements and EQ: We should have mentioned beforehand that they must be your current (as within the past week or so) measurements and judgment of EQ. If they aren’t current, they throw off everything as both can easily fluctuate on a week to week basis.

My routine is pretty simple. I do some manual stretches downward and straight. I also do some clamping, 2-3 sets and jelqing for 15-20 minutes. I do this routine every other day.

So it would make some sense that tunica is holding my gains back. I would have to do more upward stretches… Interesting.

Chunky: Yea, not only upward stretches - but more “stretches” in general. I’m curious, how have your gains been?

If you were to follow the theory as we currently have it, you’d probably want to throw some low-erection-level jelqing in there too and only do minor clamping. If your goal was girth, you’d probably want to do 70 percent tunica/length work and 30 percent girth work. Some of that girth work could be o-bends, as we have a hunch that they might work out the tunica too.

In any regard, I’m not necessarily suggesting you do these things, at least yet, as the theory could be wrong. However, Iguana and I are confident that the theory holds at least some ground because it only makes sense that:

  • The tunica needs to be stretched for you to see PE gains
  • The smooth muscle needs to be enlarged (or more smooth muscle needs to be generated) for you to see PE gains without experiencing ED
  • The penis gives off clues on which one is holding back your gains, and thus the one to focus on - such as your BPFSL/BPEL ratio and your EQ.

Now, two problems can throw this off a tad. 1) Are you really getting your maximum BPFSL? The penis can be stiff at times, sometimes stretching more than an inch less than the maximum BPFSL. 2) As sparkyx discovered in my favorite thread (PIs), overtraining leads to temporary ED. But overtraining isn’t the only thing that affects erection quality - drugs, your lifestyle, smoking, etc. can all affect the quality of your erections - making it a little harder for you to determine what to focus on.

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Originally Posted by remek
Now, two problems can throw this off a tad. 1) Are you really getting your maximum BPFSL? The penis can be stiff at times, sometimes stretching more than an inch less than the maximum BPFSL. 2) As sparkyx discovered in my favorite thread (PIs), overtraining leads to temporary ED. But overtraining isn’t the only thing that affects erection quality - drugs, your lifestyle, smoking, etc. can all affect the quality of your erections - making it a little harder for you to determine what to focus on.

Hey Remek!

We need to talk more, bro!

My current thinking on most “shrinkage” is smooth muscle contraction. I think that smooth muscle is the most reactive to stress, for what ever reason.

I first noticed this when I had over done PE, and took some Cialis to be ready for the wife that nite. Overtraining would cause the classic contraction, tissue stiffening, decreased EQ etc.

One of the effects of Cialis is relaxation of smooth muscle. When overtrained, and I took it, one of the indicators it was working or I had taken an effective dose, was the reversal of the above noted symptoms.

From that, and some other observations, I believe that for most guys (short of connective tissue contraction…which is less easily reversed) the “shrinkage” is due to smooth muscle.

It is something that used to puzzle me when doing bpfsl. My first measurement or two was the longest, but the very act of a hard stretch would cause my smooth muscle to contract, and the measurements would get progressively shorter!

I also think this answers the mystery of the thicker girth from a sleeping erection. Sleep activates the parasympathetic system which in turn relaxes smooth muscle. I think this may be a more effective relaxation of smooth muscle than a waking erection, which will allow it to get girthier with less internal pressure, because the tension from smooth muscle is less. Its kind of like blowing up a stretched out balloon vs a newer tighter one.

From this I am wondering if maximum bpfsl is a good indicator that the smooth muscle has recovered completely and is ready for further stress? The problem with stressing connective tissue when the smooth muscle wants to hold it in a contracted state, is that it allows it to heal the micro tears in this contracted state and may be counter productive. Most guys report gains when they are also seeing heavy and long flaccid…clear indicator that the smooth muscle isn’t damaged to the point of contraction…which then allows the connective tissue to recover or heal in a more extended state, both length and girth.

I’m gonna stop now, because if I high jack this thread, I will have to send myself a nasty PM…and I don’t want to piss myself off! :)

Originally Posted by remek
Chunky: Yea, not only upward stretches - but more “stretches” in general. I’m curious, how have your gains been?

If you were to follow the theory as we currently have it, you’d probably want to throw some low-erection-level jelqing in there too and only do minor clamping. If your goal was girth, you’d probably want to do 70 percent tunica/length work and 30 percent girth work. Some of that girth work could be o-bends, as we have a hunch that they might work out the tunica too.

In any regard, I’m not necessarily suggesting you do these things, at least yet, as the theory could be wrong. However, Iguana and I are confident that the theory holds at least some ground because it only makes sense that:

  • The tunica needs to be stretched for you to see PE gains
  • The smooth muscle needs to be enlarged (or more smooth muscle needs to be generated) for you to see PE gains without experiencing ED
  • The penis gives off clues on which one is holding back your gains, and thus the one to focus on - such as your BPFSL/BPEL ratio and your EQ.

Now, two problems can throw this off a tad. 1) Are you really getting your maximum BPFSL? The penis can be stiff at times, sometimes stretching more than an inch less than the maximum BPFSL. 2) As sparkyx discovered in my favorite thread (PIs), overtraining leads to temporary ED. But overtraining isn’t the only thing that affects erection quality - drugs, your lifestyle, smoking, etc. can all affect the quality of your erections - making it a little harder for you to determine what to focus on.

Hi Remek!

Under the theory, what do you think would be the best way to approach PE if I am looking for erected length? my BPFSL is 9.25” and my BPEL is 8.75” My priorities are first erected length, then girth, and last flaccid length.

Are you trying to kill a girl with that thing?


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Originally Posted by spaghettidick
Are you trying to kill a girl with that thing?

LOL no.

BPFSL - 6.2”
BPEL - 6”
EQ - 9 on average

I measured both of these standing up. Usually while sitting me BPEL is 6.2” and my BPFSL is 6.5”.

Laters,
Cro

Bpfsl-6.5”

Bpel-5”

Eq-9

Again, Thanks guys!! We are up to 41 participants. Would love to get to 100. If you haven’t posted we could really use your help!!!


Let me tell you the secret that has led me to my goal: my strength lies solely in my tenacity.

Louis Pasteur

1. BPSFL 8”. BPEL 7.2”.

2. 10

On another note I’ve gained 1/4 an inch in like 10 workouts

Let’s go guys they need more.


In search of a perfect body, penis, and girl.

The search NO longer continues. :)

Thanks spaghetti for the support! The responses are really slowing down. You would think with 90,000 members, Getting 100 guys to post their stats would be nothing. Very disappointing.


Let me tell you the secret that has led me to my goal: my strength lies solely in my tenacity.

Louis Pasteur

I am really interested in this theory too. I know when my erection is at full tilt. I reach my bpsl of 7 inches. But they come on here and post the “everybody look at me” posts tho. Go figure.

Loving the PE science here boys. Theory makes a lot of sense to me.

Haven’t read the whole thread so I don’t know the whole score, but are you guys also taking into account the article that hobby found awhile ago which details the different composition of different men’s tunica’s? This is also something that would/could impact gains and should probably be put under consideration in any theory assisting individuals in diagnosing their easy/hard gaining plight in PE and also trying to figure out what a maximal workout for them might be.

You out there hobby? You know the thread I’m talking about?


THEN: bpel 6.0 eg 5.0 bpfsl 6.125 NOW: bpel 7.375 eg 5.25 bpfsl 7.625

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