Ok,class lets summarize from the “big dogs”;
Wadzilla (by the way, God bless you for your current Avatar!)
“I definitely believe its possible to overdo it - especially by doing marathon jelq workouts. You end up suffering so much cumulative trauma that the tissues have no chance to bounce back…
I’ve noticed this with stretching as well. If you stretch too long and with a lot of intensity, it seems that the tissues tend to tighten. I try to maintain that fine line between loosening & tightening…
After a positive workout, my unit is plumped up, fatigued but not exhausted, and my woodies are 100% within about 30-45 min after (erections are slightly compromised for that brief post-workout interval - but not much after).”
(If I can summarize, he notices that he gets tightening (shorter, smaller, less flexible)…all indications of tissue in a repair stage. If he sees this…he BACKS OFF! NEGATIVE PI’S.)
(After a good workout, unit is plumped up, slight fatigued feeling…good erections after about 30-45 minutes. Very specific, POSITIVE PI’S.)
quote; I always shrink for a while if I overdue it but I’m not sure that’s a bad thing or a good thing…
(He is observing his PI’s, you MUST observe and determine if it is a sign of too much, too little or just right.)
I think my best gains have occurred when I backed off the intensity and eliminated discoloration. When I began PE, my tendency was to go overboard be it jelqing or pumping and I lived with the resulting discoloration for a long time. Although I got perceived gains, it may have been more swelling then gaining and much of it did not cement.
( he saw negative PI’s, backed off and made great gains!)
Ending with an erection is also a good sign you haven’t gone overboard during your PE session.
( positive PI’s)
The first sign of gains for me was an apparent increase in the amount of skin I had on my cock when I was flaccid. (positive PI’s)
As for workouts - no matter what those workouts happen to be - if my pattern of nocturnal/morning erections is not its usual frequency, I assume that I have either overdone something in PE or that my Life stress levels are unusually high or that I am just tired from doing whatever in normal life…
(watching for negative PI’s)
If sexual erections become slower to happen or are not hard enough for me to perform, I look at the same issues as above…If my libido drops off, ditto.
(watching for negative PI’s)
If you normally have no erectile dysfunction and you can’t end a PE session with a good hard-on, you have very likely overdone some aspect of your PE. Ending with an erection is to me the best sign that I have done everything right. Ideally, PE should end with your feeling turned-on, not turned-off. You should leave it feeling a somewhat “horny” edge and for the rest of the day you should be able to have sex (in whatever form you prefer) if that comes your way an hour, or eight hours later. (more PI’s, excellent observations!)
But, I’ll say that when gains came steadily, my dick always felt healthy and getting erections were easy to arouse.
Also, even when I overdid the time/pressure with pumping and my dick “shrank” the next day due to abuse, as long as I gave it a 2-3 day rest, it bounced back to life and usually slightly bigger. That’s when I realized that I could overcome my newbie dick abuse with an appropriate amount of time-off and rest.
(are you paying attention to what he just said? Excellent response to seeing a negative PI!)
I rarely get this feeling anymore, but when I was making my best length gains, I used to feel a slight internal “tingling” or “itchy” sensation in my dickshaft. It wasn’t uncomfortable, just sort of “odd”.
( both positive and negative PI’s, and a very specific to him positive PI…WATCH FOR YOURS!)
OK class, is it any wonder that these all guys have achieved EXCELLENT gains?
Almost to the man, they were aware of their personal PI’s, both negative and positive.
That is to say, they were watching the signs that they were getting it right…and the signs that they had over done it!!!!!
What have we learned class?
YOU MUST PAY ATTENTION TO BOTH POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE PI’S!!!!!!!!!
If you ever hope to make gains, it is a MUST!!!
The only other way is to be damn lucky!
At this point, you all should be getting this concept.
If you go back and re-read almost ANYONE who has gotten great gains, has done this process. It is almost impossible to gain without doing this process.
If you are just blinding going through a routine, I can almost guarentee that you are making minimum to no gains.
There are the lucky ones, but most of the “lucky” ones were doing some short simple routine, so we can learn from that too.
So put it into application, be creative.
Instead of slow incremental increases, you could try doubling your routine if all the positive PI’s are there, but no gains.
Or,if you have a bunch of negative PI’s…stop completely for a week or until the positive PI’s return. Then do half or less of your workout.
Be smart, creative and DISCIPLINED! Once you have done a proper workout…keep your hands off your dick!
Use your mind to determine the amount of pe needed, then don’t do more than that.
Get back to this thread with your results…and lets all advance down the road to larger dicks together…well maybe not together… thats a little gay… but you know what I mean ( no offense WestLa)! :)