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Colt 45,

I’m in the same situation as you. I had to drop my routine to 50 jelq after a 10 min warmup, and it still causes me to take 2 days off in between. I think I may also be gripping too hard. Jelqing is definitely not pleasurable for me.

I was always under the assumption that I want to feel blood moving through my dick during the jelq and an expansion of the gland to do a proper one. To get this feel I have to get a pretty tight ‘OK’ grip. Am I approaching this wrong?

Fitman

Thank you evryone. I will do what you guys told me and see if that works. I appreciate all of your help and I hope I can get good gains. Hope all of you guys find your right amount of PE.


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Sep.12, 2007

BPEL 7.75" and EG 5.125"

Originally Posted by Fitman
Colt 45,

I’m in the same situation as you. I had to drop my routine to 50 jelq after a 10 min warmup, and it still causes me to take 2 days off in between. I think I may also be gripping too hard. Jelqing is definitely not pleasurable for me.

I was always under the assumption that I want to feel blood moving through my dick during the jelq and an expansion of the gland to do a proper one. To get this feel I have to get a pretty tight ‘OK’ grip. Am I approaching this wrong?

Fitman

I’m gonna have to start a company where I train attractive, nubile 18 year old girls to go and demonstrate proper jequing pressure and technique! Alas, the world wouldn’t understand and probably take it the wrong way! :)

What good is it doing you if its “proper” yet quickly puts you into over training?

You should be able to get “expansion” and it still feels pleasant…how much expansion are you shooting for? I think if its slightly larger than a normal hard erection, thats fine for now. You’re just trying to slightly stretch the tissue, no need for going WAY past the normal erection size. Remember, shoot for expanding the tissue without irritating it…which will cause contraction.

You have to start at a level that moves you forward, towards improved EQ first, then towards a bigger dick.

Thats why I say, keep it in the “pleasant” range. I didn’t say pleasurable, like jacking off, I said “pleasant”.

So, let me give a descriptive word range to maybe help you understand.

1)Pleasurable- 2)pleasant- 3)neutral- 4)slightly unpleasant- 5)very unpleasant-6)painful.

So, keep it in the pleasant range for now, until you get a handle on what you can tolerate. With time, I think you can go anywhere from pleasant to slightly unpleasant and get gains, but time and experience will tell.

I think for hard gainers, or sensitive dicks ( thats a funny term) its best to start with pleasant and as your dick conditions…THEN you can begin to go with more force.

It may turn out that a longer session at a pleasant level will be far more productive than a shorter session at unpleasant.

You have to remember, that this is living tissue, and if you use so much force that it causes tissue contraction that lasts more than an hour or so…it is COUNTER PRODUCTIVE.

When using the jelquing method, most guys I know that have gotten good results report when they are done, its bigger and they have a good or heavy flaccid all day, and great erections.

So, if you are getting reduced EQ from so little, it tells me you should go easier, at least for now.

Yea Sparkyx, I’m beginning to see my problem. I’ve done heavy weight lifting for many years and now I’m just accustomed to pushing myself as hard as I can almost every time I train in the gym, that’s how I see results. I suppose I approached PE the same way, too much force without considering that’s it’s a more fragile part of my body that needs to be conditioned.

I have a very high pain threshold and with PE in consideration, that’s not a good feature to have. I have trouble ‘feeling’ when I’m overdoing something to my body before it’s too late. I know from the outside looking in that sounds weird, but it’s true. I’m going to use your ‘Pleasant’ descriptions to try and guide me.

This is definitely a learning curve for guys like myself. I’m sure there’s going to be plenty of trial and error along the way. I hope to achieve 2 steps forward before I take 1 step back.

Very helpful reply as usual Sparkyx,

thanks!

Fitman

Hey Fitman,

Its good to talk to you on this thread…it helps others.

Look…for some guys, they read the Newbie thread..pull their dicks a few times and they report a half inch gain! Then on the far side of the bell curve is guys that do a Newbie routine, and their dick stops working!

So, for those of us not blessed with the first scenario, in the past its been hit and miss…more miss than hit. What we are trying to do here is develop a methodology of “how to develop a customized routine” that will work.

That’s why I went to PHYSIOLOGIC responses…and have worked on developing a process that will let ANYONE make gains. I don’t know if I’m exactly there yet, but this process of experimentation on myself then sharing it online and let others use it and help me fine tune it…is getting that goal closer all the time.

The point is the key words you used are “learning curve”…yes, as you learn the indicators, how to read them, then adjust your PE…you will become an expert dick grower for YOU…and it will extrapolate to quite a few others that have similar Physiologic responses that you do.

Yes, there will be trial and error. At first you might knock yourself a full week out of the growth zone, but as you learn, it may be only a day or two. With time, you will be able to stay fairly constantly in the growth zone, even if you use other PE methods that you haven’t used before, because you will be so familiar with the responses you see when you are in or out of the zone.

Then, when you are an expert, I ask that you drop in to this forum or a similar “free” site and scan the waters for some other poor drowning soul…and toss him a PE rope and help pull him to dry land on “big dick island”.

Sparkyx, I just want to say that your information has been indispensable. Even though I’ve only been PE’in for a very short time now, my eagerness to grow has made it seem like it’s taking forever to get things moving in the right direction and balance as to not overdo it. In reality it’s only been a few weeks. Funny how little things like ‘grip strength’ can make or break a routine.

I hope someday to be an expert, but I would be more pleased with being knows as a ‘success story’. Time will tell. My wife says I’m a pig, so I may as well be a guinne pig! ;)

Fitman

This is a great post. Unfortunately it doesn’t work for guys such as myself. I’m on Zoloft and Concerta and it makes it pretty hard (no pun intended) to figure out the quality of my erections etc.


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Well, my morning wood is all but gone since I started this. I’ve had it a couple of times, but for the most part I don’t wake up with an erection anymore, and when I do get them, they aren’t “rock hard” yet either. Reading this thread makes me a bit worried.

Is a few weeks of the Newbie routine too little of time to be concerned? All of the other positive indicators seem to be there. I’m not sure how much I gained yet, but I got the ruler to 6 BPEL for the first time ever. And my flaccid is fuller and hangs better throughout the day. So the last thing I want to do right now is stop for a couple of weeks.

I do most of my workouts at night. Should I try doing it earlier in the day instead? Also, would erect kegels be better for me? I’ve just been doing the Newbie routine with two added stretches to test the LOT theory. 2 days on 1 day off.

OK Sparky I’ll start the morning PE’ing after my next rest day and see what happens. I’ll try to use a lighter grip tonight as well.

Originally Posted by justsomeguy123
OK Sparky I’ll start the morning PE’ing after my next rest day and see what happens. I’ll try to use a lighter grip tonight as well.

Right! If you are getting decreased EQ, then you are overdoing it…period! That is, if it is decreased from your not doing PE baseline. In other words, if after you start PE, and now your EQ is decreased, you are doing too much.

It might be too much time, or too much force or both. You really can’t go by what other guys are doing, you have to judge by your own responses.

So, if you do it in the morning, you have all day to begin to recover and a better chance of improved nite wood. I really believe nite wood MAY play a critical role in cementing gains.

The other factor is many newbies really pull the hell out of their dicks. I’ve watched the jelquing video and the guy really has a choke hold on that baby! I guess for many, that is fine, but I know for sure that for many guys just starting, that is WAY too much force!

So lighten up, PE in the morning…and add additional rest days if needed. Once your EQ starts to come up, then hold at that level for a week or two and see where EQ goes for you. You can always come back here with questions.

I think it is an absolute fact that proper PE WILL improve EQ…its just finding the right amount for you.

Originally Posted by sparkyx
So, if you do it in the morning, you have all day to begin to recover and a better chance of improved nite wood. I really believe nite wood MAY play a critical role in cementing gains.

This is why I don’t believe in wrapping for girth. I don’t think that girth is increased by extending the swollen period, I think more girth is achieved by expanding or creating new blood vessels during your exercise, which are then filled at night, as your body repairs. After a workout, my advice is to try restore normal circulation and get the blood flowing again.


Going for 6 inches of girth, wish me luck.

Sparkyx, Others … .

I’m 2-weeks and 2-days into a DC break and my EQ is not improving.

My morning wood is sporadic at best and when I do get morning wood I would say its at about 80% although there have been one or two mornings these past couple of weeks where I can wake but still be in a semi sleep state and can think of something to get me hard and I do and this EQ is pretty good.

I’m also having trouble getting and maintaining wood when I try make myself hard during waking hours although this may be a sign that I need a DC break from porn too. I’m not seeing anyone right now so I’m not in a position to see how my EQ would be during sex.

Not sure whats up as the consensus seems to be wood comes back strong after about a week of DC.

Originally Posted by baywatch
Sparkyx, Others … .

I’m 2-weeks and 2-days into a DC break and my EQ is not improving.

My morning wood is sporadic at best and when I do get morning wood I would say it’s at about 80% although there have been one or two mornings these past couple of weeks where I can wake but still be in a semi sleep state and can think of something to get me hard and I do and this EQ is pretty good.

I’m also having trouble getting and maintaining wood when I try make myself hard during waking hours although this may be a sign that I need a DC break from porn too. I’m not seeing anyone right now so I’m not in a position to see how my EQ would be during sex.
Not sure whats up as the consensus seems to be wood comes back strong after about a week of DC.

It could be that porn has desensitized you a bit. Try to refrain from that and see what happens. Often other factors will temporarily affect erection power. Sleep deprivation, work schedule change. Blood pressure increase cortisol increases. Overtraining at the gym testosterone levels take a sudden dip. Perhaps a few more days of decon is required.


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Originally Posted by baywatch
Sparkyx, Others … .

I’m 2-weeks and 2-days into a DC break and my EQ is not improving.

My morning wood is sporadic at best and when I do get morning wood I would say its at about 80% although there have been one or two mornings these past couple of weeks where I can wake but still be in a semi sleep state and can think of something to get me hard and I do and this EQ is pretty good.

I’m also having trouble getting and maintaining wood when I try make myself hard during waking hours although this may be a sign that I need a DC break from porn too. I’m not seeing anyone right now so I’m not in a position to see how my EQ would be during sex.

Not sure whats up as the consensus seems to be wood comes back strong after about a week of DC.

It really depends on how badly beaten up your dick is. The worse the abuse, the longer it takes to recover.

Heres the way you can judge it. How was your EQ BEFORE you started PE, how good was it when you were ready to start your decon break?

If your EQ was better before you ever started PE, and decreased during and when you started to go on a decon, then wait until you are back to your pre-PE EQ.

Sometimes, a guys EQ was never that good, and decreased during his PE. If it was never that good to begin with, it might be tough to determine if you are back at that point.

So, as a rough guideline if you are having difficulty telling, I would say if you didn’t beat the crap out of your dick 2-3 weeks should be plenty. If you really abused yourself like with heavy hanging or high pressure clamping, then take 4 weeks.

When you restart, start very modestly…with low forces. Start every other day, and just shoot for improved EQ, forget a big dick for a while. Once you begin to see improved EQ, you have a baseline to work with and can go from there. I’ve outlined the process several times in this thread.

I think its helpful to completely cut out porn and masturbation for a few weeks…it will really speed up the process of getting good EQ back.

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