Wadzilla, have you seen this thread?
Interesting theory. He theorizes that it is thinning of the tunica, not thickening, that accounts for slowing of gains with time.
Whatever….. the most interesting part for me was this:
“I have really grown rapidly after this long break. Gained about 3/4 inch in just a few weeks. Just about 1/16th inch away from 9” now. So I went from 6.5 to almost 9. That is about 2.5” gain without hanging.”
MagnumXL has posted a number of times on the subject of extended breaks to jumpstart gains. He recommends a 6 week layoff as ideal.
I wish this guy would post more often…. everything I read from him is golden. He invented V-stretches, you know (he used to go by the handle 7-up). I wish he was around so we could bounce ideas off of him.
Anyway… I’ve been thinking about your friend who went from 5” to 7” in one year. I still think that taking a break and restarting as a “newbie” is the right track to take, and I’m committed to not PE-ing for at least one month (it’s been 5 days and I’m already going batty :( ), but I don’t think I’ll be following your friend’s exact routine.
One thing that struck me about your friend’s routine was the SO stretches. Now although I am considering deconditioning as a method to jumpstart gains, I still believe in the LOT theory and since my LOT is 6, I will concentrate on tunica stretches when I do return to PE. (Anyway, I made all my length gains as a newbie with 20-30 minutes/day fulcrum stretching, so what the hell right? I’ll do what’s worked in the past)
Also, consider the idea that your 5” - 7” friend may have had a low LOT. From the posts I’ve read on the subject, it seems like most small guys have low LOT’s pre-PE. He may have had 2 inches of dick still inside his body that he loosened with lig stretches. I started with 7” and a low LOT, so maybe I was just born with those two inches already outside of my body. Maybe.
Another thing I’m going to try is Magnum XL’s variation of the “jelq-squeeze”, described thusly as simply jelqing with your other hand clamping the base:
“One hand remains clamped at the base to keep blood in the erect member. This also protects the tiny valves in the penile veins. The second hand begins at the base and slowly jelq’s up to the fattest part of the penis (in my case about 1” behind the glans) I stop there and squeeze hard as I can without rupturing blood vessels. The fluid pressure will be distributed in all directions, effectively stretching the tunic in all directions. You can see your penis lengthen about 1/16th inch as you squeeze, the glans swells and every other part of the shaft thickens. I dop this in rhythmatic pulses (squeeze, hold 2-5 sec, release, squeeze, hold 2-5 seconds, release, etc. etc.) Get it erect again as possible and repeat. Is this clear? Words can be taken so many ways. Be careful or you may rupture a vessel. I did. I iced it down and it looked bad for a while but in a week it was back to normal. That was a year ago, I guess. Hope this helps. MXL (7-Up)”
In fact, what he is describing here is also the “Uli # 3” movement described here….
….which was eventually modified to the “extreme uli” in which the OK grip at the base is replaced by a mechanical clamp like an Uli thing or a Cable clamp, and in which the jelqing/milking motion towards the head is ditched entirely since the clamp creates such great internal pressure.
I’m thinking of doing the original Uli # 3 in place of the jelq, but with some modification. I say this because I know from experience that just plain old jelqing doesn’t do it for me (even when I was a newbie). In fact, I have NEVER been able to get any post-workout increase in size from jelqing; I can’t get more blood than normal worked into, and temporarily trapped in, my dick with that exercise. All my girth gains as a newbie came from squeezes; I NEED some kind of constant pressure being exerted at the base in order to get any kind of expansion and “trap” the blood in my dick.
So I’m thinking of jelqing in the Uli # 3 manner with either my hand at the base or a cable clamp at the base, but with a much less tight setting on the clamp than what I have been using these past few months. Rather taking the strategy of: “let’s see how far I can tighten this clamp before my dick explodes! “, as I had been doing, I’m thinking my strategy will be to find the loosest setting possible that still causes bloodflow out of the dick to be less than bloodflow into the dick - like a cockring, basically.
Perhaps I’ll simply settle on a clamp setting that most closely mimics the pressure I can exert using my hand as the clamp (which is nowhere near the maximum pressure that I can get with the cable clamp).
I like this idea better than using my hand itself as the clamp because my hand will tire after about 30 - 60 seconds of clamping. Also, with my hands I have to keep restimulating myself to keep an erection, and I don’t like that because it feels like masturbation. With the internal pressure created by a clamp, the erection pretty much keeps itself without too much stimulation, and I don’t have to worry about my hands tiring out or accidentally ejaculating from overstimulation.
Also, with both hands free, I can switch hands when jelqing when one hand gets tired.
I KNOW I gained .3” girth from simple squeezes in about 4 months before hitting a plateau. If, once I get going on this routine, I experience the same thing (another .3” before my tunica gets toughened), that’ll be all right with me because at least I’ll know how to break plateaus then.
I’m also going to try only doing girth 3 times a week, but length 5 times a week.
So my tentative routine, when I get back, will start off like this:
Monday, Wednesday, Friday:
1)Immerse my dick in a cup of hot water, 5 minutes
2)Fulcrum stretching over my steam machine, 10 minutes
3)Uli # 3 with cable clamp, 10 minutes
4)Cup of hot water again, 5 minutes
Tuesday and Thursday:
1)Warm up as described above
2)10 minutes fulcrum stretching over steam machine.
3)Warm down as described above.
Each week I’ll add 5 minutes more to the Uli # 3 until I reach 30 minutes, because 30 minutes was length of time that it took me to do my squeezes back when I was making gains. I’ll also build up to 20 minutes stretch time because that’s how long I used to stretch in those days, too. I am considering building up to 30 minutes of stretching on Tuesdays and Thursdays, though.
I’ll be happy with anything even approaching my newbie gains from this routine. I’ve been at 7.75 x 6 for so long now….. I thought I’d have exceeded 8 x 6 by now. I just want to get past it already! My goal is a .5” x .25” gain for this “cycle”.