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Viagra and pe gains{the missing link?}

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Originally posted by MDC
I got my 64 x 100mg Caverta yesterday. I took 1/2 of one and it worked without any unwanted side effects. I've been taking about 25mg per day for the last few weeks as part of my PE program. I hope that it's helping.

The only thing I can complain about the Caverta is that they aren't designed to be broken in half like Silagra is.

edit: Just wanted to mention that I ordered from Genegra.com the first week of June and got it in just over 2 weeks using regular registered mail.

How did things turn out with that new batch?


What are you gonna do? Sic your dogs on me? Or your bees? Or dogs with bees in their mouth so when they bark they shoot bees at me? I think Mr. Smithers picked me for my motivational skills. Everyone always says they have to work twice as hard when Im around! Its not easy to juggle a pregnant wife and a troubled child, but somehow I managed to squeeze in 8 hours of TV a day. Getting out of jury duty is easy. The trick is to say youre prejudiced against all races. - Homer Simpson.

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Originally posted by tps
Ordered mine from Genegra on the fifth of June and haven't received mine yet. I did get an email today from them asking if I was satisfied so I'm hoping to get them any day now.

Tps did you end up getting your order yet? If so give us 411 on how it go?


What are you gonna do? Sic your dogs on me? Or your bees? Or dogs with bees in their mouth so when they bark they shoot bees at me? I think Mr. Smithers picked me for my motivational skills. Everyone always says they have to work twice as hard when Im around! Its not easy to juggle a pregnant wife and a troubled child, but somehow I managed to squeeze in 8 hours of TV a day. Getting out of jury duty is easy. The trick is to say youre prejudiced against all races. - Homer Simpson.

maxwell,

I took half of one so far. It seemed work like it’s supposed to. I haven’t had a real opportunity to try them out properly yet.

I have to agree with Thunder on this one. I am afarid that all your hopes are on viagra. Now is the problem for someone who uses it constantly at a young age. I think for older guys it is ok.

I wonder how psychologically addictive it is to those guys in the porn industry who use it constantly.


“You see, I don’t want to do good things, I want to do great things.” ~Alexander Joseph Luthor

I know Lewd Ferrigno personally.

SUNNYVALE, Calif.—(BUSINESS WIRE)—Oct. 22, 2002—The results of a double-blind placebo-controlled study on the role of a nutritional supplement (ArginMax(R) for Men) enhancing the response to Viagra(R) in men who are poor-responders to Viagra(R) will be presented at the American Urological Association Western Section Meeting, October 20-25, 2002 in Kauai, Hawaii.
The study reports significant improvement in sexual performance and satisfaction for men who did not previously respond sufficiently to Viagra(R) (Pfizer), according to the lead author, William C. Baker MD, FACS, Assistant Professor of Urology at the U.C. Davis School of Medicine and Chief of Urology at the Veterans Administration Medical Center in Sacramento, California.

Approximately 25 million men in the U.S. today have some form of erectile dysfunction. Viagra(R), introduced in 1998, has provided a non-invasive, reasonably well-tolerated, and important solution for the condition. However, the scientific literature shows as many as 43 percent of men using Viagra(R) did not achieve a satisfactory clinical response. In a review of 27 clinical trials conducted on Viagra(R) involving 6659 subjects, only 57 percent of men had a higher percentage of successful intercourse while taking Viagra(R) (Archives of Internal Medicine, 2002).

In the double-blind placebo-controlled study that was conducted by Dr. Baker at the Sacramento VA Medical Center, subjects with mild, moderate, to severe erectile dysfunction who indicated they were not satisfied with the outcome of Viagra(R) use were recruited. They were first placed on a four-week run-in period with Viagra(R) (50mg) to establish their response to Viagra(R) alone. Following the four-week period, subjects were assigned, in a randomized, double-blind fashion, into a daily regimen of ArginMax(R) or placebo (sugar pill). Concurrently, they were allowed to use Viagra(R) on an as-needed basis during the four-week period while they took ArginMax(R) or the placebo on a daily basis.

Subjects were evaluated at various points of the study using the International Index of Erectile Function (IIEF), a standardized and validated multi-dimensional instrument used in the clinical assessment of erectile function. Of the 26 subjects that successfully completed the protocol, 60 percent of the men on ArginMax(R) reported a clinically significant increase in their sexual response versus 22 percent on placebo.

While using Viagra alone during the first four weeks of the study, the subjects showed only a modest improvement in erectile function and were able to achieve an erection sufficient to have satisfactory intercourse about half of the time. (IIEF erectile domain parameters #1-5, with a mean improvement of 1.16 points over baseline scores).

However, during the subsequent four weeks when these same subjects were given ArginMax(R) or placebo (sugar pill) on a daily basis while taking Viagra concurrently, 60 percent of the individuals in the active group (ArginMax(R) + Viagra(R)) were able to achieve a satisfactory erection much more than half the time (IIEF erectile domain parameters #1-5, with a mean improvement of 2.22 points over baseline scores), while only 22 percent of those in the placebo group (placebo + Viagra(R)) were able to reach this level (IIEF erectile domain parameters #1-5, with a mean improvement 1.23 point improvement over baseline scores). There were no significant side effects noted in either group.

“These results point to the importance of nutrition and lifestyle factors in sexual health and wellness,” says Dr. William C. Baker, Chief of Urology at the Veterans Administration Medical Center in Sacramento, California and lead author of the study. “Nutritional supplementation may play a role in enhancing the sexual function of patients who are poor-responders to Viagra(R) which could account for as many as 43 percent of men, and it may also make a satisfactory sexual function improvement possible requiring lower doses of Viagra(R).”

Given the strong consumer interest in nutritional supplementation for sexual health and function, this is an extremely important area of research for the future. As the nutritional category leader in the United States for sexual health and wellness, the Daily Wellness Company is committed to scientific excellence, and continues to expand clinical research of ArginMax(R) in collaboration with leading physicians and medical institutions to establish the highest level of credibility and consumer trust.

ArginMax(R) is a patented nutritional supplement that contains ginseng, ginkgo, L-arginine, and 13 vitamins and minerals. ArginMax(R) is available nationwide in leading drug stores, GNC, online at www.arginmax.com, or at 800/STAMINA.

He he,

I´m not surprised by the results/outcome of that study.

A year ago (or was it two?) I tried Yohimbe, Ginko, Ginseng, L-arginin and Viagra, I had the erection of my life I can tell. I also took vitamins and minerals. Come to think of it, I´m not 100% sure I took yohimbe that time, the rest I´m sure of.

My guess is Viagra and Arginin is the key factors.

/Pan

I would agree with Pan. The l-a combo with V. is very effective.

Back to Thunder’s question: I believe there can easily be a psychological addiction, particularly in men who do not have ED and use V. recreationally. There is enhancement somewhat above what is a normal erection. A special turn-on.

Guys who have good erectile function generally have good sex assuming interested partner(s) and some basic technical skill.

With V, though, they don’t need skill so often as just a suitable receptacle. They can drink more, play longer, and still have sexual fun later. This “enhancement” becomes the norm and they begin to feel that normal sex is not as good as enhanced sex. Having had a lot of sex in a lot of circumstances, I do not agree that this is true. The illusion becomes a “mind set” and a potentially difficult one to shift back from later.

I have ED. Although I am acres away from the condition I was in say 5 yrs ago having worked hard to get my vascular system back to something like good form, I will always need these vasodilator crutches. To me the issue of psychological addiction is moot. I’m going to be taking this shit for the rest of my life, or at least for as long as I am interested in sex.

I’d rather need nothing, either physically or psychologically, and just go “boing” when I get turned on.

Don’t lose what you have over a series of temporary thrills. I know some of you don’t want to hear that. But I do not give a rat’s ass. You all own your own bodies. So do I.


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avocet8

Obwon

Good post.

Guys

Thunder and TT makes sense, I have often thought it would be very easy to get hooked on Viagra, that’s why I limit it’s use. But buying the cheap alternate stuff it’s going to make it tempting to take more often. So now is that good or bad? Viagra does equal longer better sex for me and that’s a good thing, but would I start to be disappointed in sex when I wasn’t on it? And could I become depended on it and actually need it for sex?

Dino


I haven't failed, I've found 10,000 ways that don't work. Thomas Edison (1847-1931)

I’ve had Viagra since the beginning of the year. I definitely get a different feeling when taking Viagra, but my non-Viagra erections have not suffered a bit. In fact, they may be better than before.

avocet 8,

very good post!

I believe all should aim foor a very good health and good relationships in first place (this is not the situation for most people IMO), that will be enough for most people to get good erections and sex, of course there are those with “real” ED, and those may really need pills.

/Pan

Finally got my Caverta. I am 33 years old and have no trouble getting or keeping an erection. I am very mindful of becoming addicted to anything and refuse to let that happen. My purpose is not to see if V is the missing link to gains as the title of this thread questions. I think if someone were to use it often for increased blood flow before PEing, they could come to depend on it.

As I stated in another post in this thread, my purpose for it is when my Sweety and I only have 30 minutes together. I just can’t fuck her hard for that long and I’m trying to cut down on the “soft” time so we can keep going. If/when we have lots of time and can go slow or keep touching and playing until I naturally get hard, there is no need for V.

That being said, the Caverta worked very well for me the first (and only) time I tried it. I wrote notes the evening I took it last week so I could report back, but like I said in another thread, my cleaning lady got them.

First, I tried to get a pill cutter at the drugstore but had no luck there. Used a knife and a pair of tweezers and managed to cut off about a third of a pill. I scooped up the little pieces and the third so I guess I ended up with about 35mg. Let it disolve in my mouth for about 45 seconds and swallowed the rest. I went about my work as normal keeping an eye on the clock. Had times written down for everything but lost those. I remember feeling absolutely nothing for the longest time. About an hour after taking it, I had to urinate and things felt a little different. A little tingly I’d say. Went back to work thinking maybe this stuff just wasn’t going to work for me. Every now and then I’d poke and prod and I’d feel the blood start to fill my dick, but it always does that. I decided to take a break from work and view a little stimulation on my computer and that worked nicely. But again, it always does that. I then had an instant Messenger conversation which interrupted that and I got soft again. Stuff really worked well that way I thought. I was afraid it might keep me hard even after I didn’t want to be. However, it worked as advertised and I needed stimulation to keep it up. When the conversation was over, I decided to really start to physically stimulate myself to see what would happen. Everything happened as normal except that I remained harder for longer after I came. I remember thinking, I bet I could keep going and decided to do just that. I added a little visual stimulation and had to work very hard at it, but I managed to cum again in about 8 minutes. Exactly the type of response I was looking for.

So now that I’ve tried it and I’m pretty sure it works as I had hoped, I put it away and won’t use it until the right opportunity presents itself.

a very interesting and informative discussion

?? question for Southpaw

Tagamet is a perscription drug in Canada. (I think you said it is over-the-counter in the US.) Is there anything else (safe and cheap) that will work ??

I’m crossing the border this wknd. so I should be able to pick some up.
just trying to plan ahead.

for your reference - I cut my 100 mg. tabs into 6th’s and still get a good bang for my buck. I even notice a bit of a whiz when I lick the crumbs off the cutting board !!

thanks
shapeshifter

tps, how was the erection quality when you kept it up to cum a second time?

At times I can keep going after busting a nut, but the wife says the erection quality suffers immensely… :(


Twatteaser: the man, the myth, and the legend in his own mind.

RB - the erection quality was GREAT the second time. Without the Genegra, I can keep going a second time too, but have the same problem with erection quality. With it I was just as rock hard the second time.

Another thing I was going to mention is that my erection didn’t seem enhanced size wise. I had a full on level 10 erection both times, just thought I might see an increase in size like a cock ring provides. Oh well, can’t keep going with just the cock ring. Maybe I’ll try them together. Anyone have any thoughts on that?

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