Thoughts on PE from johndough

Just to add to the author’s original thread, some people claim that gains in length have zilch to do with stretching the tunica or ligament (except to act as a stimulus) but due to actual addition of cells (hyperplasia):

"Andropenis penis enlargement technology is based on the medical principle of traction which is typically used in plastic surgery, but has also been in practice for many centuries by ancient cultures. You may recognize the Giraffe Women of Birmania, who apply prosthetics to naturally lengthen their necks, or other African and Amazonian tribes who attach weights to elongate ears or lips."

Look at the little video on the side of this link. Not sure if there’s much evidence for this model:

Andropenis® Penis Extender Penile Enlargement FDA approved

“My impression is Gontero et al. have nothing to do with Andropenis. Can anyone show otherwise?”

Is andropenis using this study as “proof” on their website?

Do we endorse andropenis? Does andropenis’ product have any implications on PE at large?

We, as a forum, don’t “endorse” anybody m_e, you know that.

JD, are you saying that the idea that the tissue in the penis responding to tensile stress is IMPOSSIBLE in theory?? I agree that there isn’t any scientific proof that PE works, but how can you say that the idea that tissue can expand from stress being applied is absolutely an impossible notion? What scientific basis do you have to make such claims?

Yes. That’s a good point. I decided to look closely at the Conflict of Interest statement of BJUI journal:

"Conflict of interest:The Editor requests that authors provide him with a statement of any conflict of interests, using the form specifically designed for this purpose. Although the Editor will not reject a paper simply because of a conflict of interest, he will publish a statement of declared interests. In the event of no declared interests, the Editor will publish ‘Conflict of interest: none declared’."

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It does say that any author is obliged to complete a "mandatory" conflict of interest form. I’m not sure how difficult that would be to evade or ouright lie? I think it’s a bit harder today than it was in the past.

Maybe this discussion should be spun off unto its own thread so 17ml can have this thread back. That being said, I have to respond to it.

Searching for the biological mechanism that produces gains is a challenge that has been undertaken by many here. Theories abound, but that’s all they are. We just do not have the means to prove them to any level of scientific satisfaction. All we have are our gains, which suggest that something is going on, but there’s really no way to be sure what it is or whether it conforms with any theory, particularly with so many different routines involved.

I have my own theory, and it centers around the idea that the tunica experiences viscoelastic creep. This is nothing new. I remember sitting for an hour in a mechanics lab, watching as 60 pounds of tension did what appeared to be nothing to a small piece of plastic. But after the hour was over, measurements confirmed that the piece had elongated by a centimeter. Earlier that day, we needed several kips to induce that kind of strain, although it only took a few seconds then, and it was categorized as plastic deformation rather than creep.

Does the tunica exhibit viscoelastic behavior? I don’t know, and I have no way to determine that on my own, but I don’t think any form of PE can generate the stress to induce plastic deformation in a material like the tunica. If viscoelasticity is happening, I think that would explain some of what members report to have experienced, as well as helping us understand part of why PE works.

I hope this post is enough to be considered responsive.

Viscoelastic creep has a place for sure, IMHO.

I get that we really don’t understand what is happening, but my point to JD is that he is looking for a “reason” to give PE a shot, as did I, and unless there is reason to believe that something is down right impossible why not give it a try? You have to do a cost benefit analysis: what could I possibly gain? What could I possibly loose? Well.I could gain an inch or two!! HELLO. Also, if done correctly I can avoid injury and at the very least improve my EQ. So unless I have reason to believe that PE is theoretically impossible (if TP claimed that by pulling my cock I could one day fly) and I can keep myself from being injured, what LOGICAL reason would I have NOT to try it?? Because what PE is trying to do is on the fringe of theoretical possibility not completely outside of it ( we’re not talking about rubbing your cock and turning it into a bunny) and the fact is we really don’t know either way (just like the 4 min mile was thought to be impossible by scientists until someone broke it). So if there is anecdotal evidence (TP) and the risks are minimal (newbie routine and take the advice of our elders in PE) then why over think it so Damn much and why not TRY it while studying at the same time to better understand what is going on?

That’s my newbie 2 cents.

Rhetorical question!

I think this discussion is on topic because the title is suggesting that hanging does not work, or at least seeking scientific evidence for it. Most of these responses are generally on target. How does hanging work? By hanging weights off your dick and watching as it magically grows. Cause & effect is pretty scientific to me! And it is repeatable! :-)

Cover our ass answer.

Right now I imagine 17ml is doing something like this: :head:

How’d you know my full name? :-p

At the end of the day I must admit I don’t know how any of it really works. Even the things which I have a good grip on, I cannot fully understand because there are so many details related to every single phenomenon that to pretend like we fully understand it is very reductive. In general terms, though, I just think that keeping consistent pressure on your dick instructs the body to allow it to expand. Human beings are very adaptable and if we continually hold our finger in a certain way, eventually it’ll be stuck like that. I know a transgender individual who was born female and decided to become a man. During puberty, this person hunched ‘his’ shoulders over to help hide his breasts. Additionally, this individual made special effort to speak with a deep voice. Low and behold, after a few years this person’s back was permanently hunched over and their voice permanently low. After a while, the body gets the idea and does what it’s been trained to do. I mean, how did we go from being on all fours to standing upright? I guess some folks will just chalk it up to “evolution” but truly there’s more to it than that. Human beings realized that there were advantages to being able to stand upright so they strove for that, and eventually they began teaching the young how to do it. As it became more and more common, the body started encoding this information inside our genes and from there human beings became predisposed to standing upright. That is, if you leave an infant all by itself with some way of being nourished, it will eventually just stand up. There are many mysterious things that go on with our bodies, and it’s nice to try to figure out how everything works, but ultimately we’ve just got to accept the fact that some things work regardless of whether we can pinpoint how. And we’ve got to take advantage of it!