Thoughts on PE from johndough

Uhmm…now, the big question: if pulling with an extender can lengthen the penis, why pulling with hands can’t?

I’d say it’s not a question, it’s an answer- the extender is PE.

Yeah I will stop the rant. I get a little fuckin’ angry here n’ there. I don’t participate in to many of the threads ( im sure you know from my post count) because of my anger. But yeah, I will end my views on this thread. Later

matutinal_euphony and Flashpoint are the most recent culprits here on the past couple pages of this thread, but I see talk like this all the time: People talk as if they know everything about this stuff on here. They talk as if because something about PE worked in some way for them that their theories on it must be true and they are the experts. That if stuff isn’t working for someone else that they must be doing it wrong. And I think this is the dangerous kind of language that leads to false expectations and disappointments in others. Furthermore, even if you are being completely honest there ARE lots of people on here who lie. Who inflate their statistics. Who measure incorrectly or inconsistently. And this just adds to the hysteria.

Some PE’ers are like me: I’ve dedicated myself to this. I do the exercises correctly. I try everything that successful people have tried. But still, even after all this time, I would say with confidence that all of my small gains are due to swelling and EQ increases.

I can’t thank the Thunders community enough for the knowledge that has led to those EQ increases. It’s wonderful, but now I’m obsessed with it. I plan my evenings around it, I do 30 minute warm-ups with hour-long exercises, and I’m beginning to fear that it will just end up being a huge waste of time in the end. But I can’t stop. This website has made me even more insecure about my size than I was before, but I can’t stop reading it and posting either.

Others are the silent majority. The ones who do PE, probably correctly, but never make gains and never post in the forums. Some of them then make their routines more and more intense until they get some sort of injury (luckily has never happened to me).

What I’m saying is that it could be one out of a hundred men where jelqing, stretching, hanging, pumping, clamping, whatever has led to, or at least been temporally correlated with increases in penis size BEYOND simply an increase in EQ (I think that the scientific studies pretty much confirm that some form of PE leads to EQ increases). But for all we know, one out of a hundred men could also see such an increase (beyond EQ) if they whacked their dick with a sledge hammer as their PE exercise. We don’t know that because we’ve never done a controlled study on it.

What the OP, I, and the other skeptics on here I think are trying to get across is that nobody has done a successful study to test whether that 1/100 statistic I just made up is true. Because I can tell you right now that if that 1/100 stat were true, it would not suggest a link between PE exercises and real increase in penis size beyond EQ. But because the gainers act so sure about the truth behind their statements, it gives (possibly) false hope to newer members that if they just keep going with it, gains beyond EQ will come.

To see if it is not just an increase in EQ, you can just measure BPFSL, I’d say. But I’m not an urologist, of course, so don’t mind.

You know, this is a great point and one that I too often omit.

I also think this is a great reason why people should consistently measure their BPFSL along with their BPEL, NBPEL, girth, etc.

I can’t say from experience because my EQ never drops, but I would tend to think that BPFSL would not increase/decrease on the basis of EQ.

Redbear, thanks again for another detailed and thoughtful response. I agree with you that the analysis was probably a single tailed t-test as opposed to a two tailed despite the researchers omission of that detail. The probability value was .20 and I am assuming the researchers set their limit on Type I error by p<.01 or p<.05. As you stated, there is a 20% chance that this event spontaneously occurred regardless of the treatment. That is an unacceptable rate of random incidence in all fields of science. As for the statistical power, with p=.20 what indication would we have that their is a hidden effect? The p-value was not close to being significant, if it was closer I think we would have had more of a right to assume that a higher power could provide results more representative of the population. If you can get the raw data we could run a power analysis in a typical stats program, but I don’t see the point as the p value was not close to being significant. I am not saying that their isn’t a possible correlation as you noted above and it is impossible for me to statistically prove that there is zero effect, rather what is a more appropriate declaration is that the results are not significant and the results have a high probability to be due to chance. Furthermore, even if we look at the effect and assume that it is both in part and its entirety not due to noise, what are we left with? We are left with a possible effect that only gave approximately .1 inches increase in length and 0 increase in girth over a six month period. The other pump study confirms 0 increase in girth using a more PE minded protocol. Furthermore, would this .1 length increase, if its a real effect, even be consistent every 6 months?

Thanks Bohm, I will check this out.

Thunderss, when you stated that the results from the extender study(ies) should be taken with a large grain of salt, what about those studies caused you to develop such an opinion?

I don’t see any sites with the medical documentation of any of your falsifying accusations this is just a fool trying to discourage people there is plenty of results look at member pics they do the same angle as their beginning pictures as they do in their gain pics so please don’t come here and try to sell us discouragement

And to be fair the Pe that takes place here can not be compared to the primitive vine hanging done in Africa were are a little smarter than tieing vines attached to boulders to our peni for Christ sake we have all kinds of educated people with degrees at this site

Calling me a fool in your above post is against forum guidelines and your second post is bordering on racist and I take offense to it.

Lol!

You’ve been here less than a year.

I venture to say the main difference between most gainers versus non-gainers is that gainers believe in PE.

We are a brotherhood here, united by our passion to have, not only a bigger, but a healthier and better functioning penis. Thousands of us have reaped the rewards of our hard work, have overcame our insecurities, and gained massive confidence in not only our beds, but in our lives as well. And you JD, have walked in here and called everyone of us liars and delusional. For this reason I can sympathise with the anger demonstrated at you by some of the guys.

What you have demonstrated is beyond skepticism, you are going out of your way to discredit PE, and the reasons for your vendetta we might never understand. You keep referring to a lousy study, based on an hour of pumping a week, on 37 guys as your back up. I really would have thought that someone from a medical background as you claim to be of, would have had a more unbiased perspective. You are so quick to swear by the results of an abstract study, which we know very little about how effectively the participants took part in, but yet you are willing to disregard the words, testimonies and experiences of thousands of individuals who have been involved in Natural-PE for the last decade. Without the backing of the medical field, we are the pioneers, we only have each others experiences to learn from, and we’ve come pretty far. If one of our vets were to throw a study on PE, he’d surely would’ve made one that would’ve combined pumping with either clamping or something else, as we so far have learned that pumping is best when combined with other/s techniques. Don’t get me wrong, I would love it if the scientific community joined us in researching PE, but we will keep doing and believing in what we love, even without them.

Even when presented with photo evidence, you’ve simply rejected it and claimed either inaccuracy in measuring or in Braindrains case, as a late puberty growth spurt. Tendons, ligs, cartilage, ear-lobes, muscles, human necks, skin, nails, veins and even bones for crying our loud have all been demonstrated to be able to be enlarged with some type of prolonged force, but yet the Penis is somehow immune to this process according to you.

Wake up JD, take your head out of your you-know-what, being in premed does not make you as smart as you think are. You don’t even have the balls to stick to a routine for a good period of time to see or experience first hand what the rest of us have experienced, you gave up after the first sign of a minor injury, so what does this say about your character? What gives you the right to spit in our faces the way that you have?