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thoughtfulgold's Penis Enlargement as "Scheduled Trauma" theory

Originally Posted by Badfish
For heating, I use a 200 watt ceramic heat emitter IR lamp attached to a $20 mic stand. I think it might be the ultimate heating setup because the mic stand lets you move the IR lamp around and position/angle it wherever you want. The IR lamp doesn’t heat up the whole room either. Just where you aim it.

Here’s the heat lamp: https://www.amazon.com/Aiicioo-Cera…ramic+heat+lamp
Here’s a mic stand: https://www.amazon.com/Samson-MK-10…words=mic+stand

I bought the Ruby Lux bulb and had to get goggles. If I had known about this device…damn. That would be perfect. When I’ve got some change I’ll get one of those and use the Ruby Bulb for myself for aches and pains. With that mic stand, I could actually set the Ruby Bulb above my bed so I could have it shine on me while I’m lying down for a little bit. That’s a perfect way to space and place it the way I want.

This clamp lamp is such a bastard to set up. I bought this exact lamp and the clamp wouldn’t even attach without a solid ring I happened to have lying around. So…I can definitely see using that mic stand. Though you probably used that 2 piece round brace to put it on the mic stand post didn’t you?

Great sharing.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6" MSEG as of 12/16/2016 This is my story...and a few progress pics of me here.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My big secret? My methods. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *8* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith. Also Fitness helps too.


Last edited by thoughtfulgold : 09-21-2016 at . Reason: clarity

I actually got one of those work-light type clamp lights with a ceramic bulb socket: https://www.amazon.com/Bayco-SL-302…c/dp/B0061MZ4Q6

And I took it apart and used a hose clamp to attach the metal clamp that holds the ceramic socket to the end of the mic stand. Now it can hold the ceramic heat emitter bulb in any orientation I want.


Starting: 7.25 BPEL, 5.5 EG (Oct. 2015)

Current: 8.125 BPEL, 6.125 EG (Apr. 2016)

So would it be better not to do a bunch of different exercises in the same session like jelq and horse squeeze for example? After 6 months I planned on adding horse squeezes if my girth doesnt increase.


7-20-16: BP: 7.63 NBP 6.75 x 5.75

3-22-17: BP: 8.44 NBP 7.56 x 5.75

Originally Posted by Rahman810
So would it be better not to do a bunch of different exercises in the same session like jelq and horse squeeze for example? After 6 months I planned on adding horse squeezes if my girth doesnt increase.

Correct. Focus on one thing per session. Just do a different session next. I typically do one set for one day, and another set for the other day then rest. So it’s length one day and girth the next when doing a balanced routine. But even if it’s girth both days, I don’t do but one main exercise per session in a day. So if I were only doing girth I’d Horse Squeeze one day and say…pump the next. But never both on the same day.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6" MSEG as of 12/16/2016 This is my story...and a few progress pics of me here.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My big secret? My methods. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *8* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith. Also Fitness helps too.

Do you have an opinion on the debate over girth hindering length gains? I’ve scoured over a decade of posts on the subject going back over a decade on 3 PE sites. There still seems to be no consensus on the topic.

I’m reluctantly holding off on serious girth work on a “just to be on the safe side” basis. I’m within striking distance of 5.5 MEG & really wanting to hit that measurement, but need length more & am unwilling to risk it.

Do you think going from a strictly length-based routine to a strictly girth-based routine for the duration of a proper decon would have a similar effect?

Originally Posted by Paul H.
Do you have an opinion on the debate over girth hindering length gains? I’ve scoured over a decade of posts on the subject going back over a decade on 3 PE sites. There still seems to be no consensus on the topic.

I’m reluctantly holding off on serious girth work on a “just to be on the safe side” basis. I’m within striking distance of 5.5 MEG & really wanting to hit that measurement, but need length more & am unwilling to risk it.

Do you think going from a strictly length-based routine to a strictly girth-based routine for the duration of a proper decon would have a similar effect?

I do have an opinion. Girth first is a poor choice. I base this on one simple thing. Tissue generation. A thicker column of flesh and blood vessels will take longer to generate another section to make it taller.

Length gains come from a mixture of things. I will list them as I know them.

1. Inner penis being released by suspensory ligaments. More shaft shows. This is common in most newbie gain manual exercise scenarios and hanging can trigger this as well. Surgery for length often clips some of these to expose more penis for the same effect.

2. Traction which prompts the penis to generate new cells for growth so that the traction is no longer uncomfortable. The trigger to grow is based on the body responding to a continuous “pulling” stimuli. You are coaxing growth with long term setting of the penis in a desired elongated state which becomes the new natural state. This is an extender or ADS method of operation. Generally the growth mostly occurs during the stimuli. While this is not a trauma and isn’t based on microtears it can cause fatigue.

3. Trauma. Jelqing, hanging, high intensity manual exercises all are designed to push the penis in a calculated fashion to cause microtears to the tissue and it heal back longer and larger. This is the point of the original post, it is covered more thoroughly at the top.

Ligaments are usually mostly exhausted for length gains early on. They are pretty much unaffected by girth gains.

I find ADS and Extenders less effective than when I was at my original starting girth. A thicker penis is more resistant to gentle stretching. This is one of many bones to pick I have with the Phallosan Forte.

Trauma continues to work but look at the scale of it. With a thicker tube you have to systematically cause widespread small traumas in sync to get the microtear and growth effect. It simply means whatever you use to do that will be more difficult and take longer.

I personally before the last 14 months had been stuck at 8.25 for at least a year or two. Girth increased steadily during that time. Length did not. Length still is reticent even now.

Do I think going to an all girth routine is a good idea when you have length goals unachieved? No. It is likely to slow you down. If length doesn’t concern you then don’t worry. But if it does, just keep at your length routine and goals and get girth later.

However, to play Devil’s Advocate, length gains come when they want. Larger men than myself have gained. And I am actually going to test that theory myself by trying a routine emphasizing girth over length long term.

So I think it probably matters if you get thicker. It could slow length down. But I’m willing to test it. So if that’s a risk you’re willing to take, it may pay off.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6" MSEG as of 12/16/2016 This is my story...and a few progress pics of me here.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My big secret? My methods. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *8* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith. Also Fitness helps too.

Thanks. Excellent stuff again. I needed that to reinforce my original resolution to get satisfactory length first.

I guess I’ll be taking a full decon once I plateau. The game for me for now is to put that off as much as possible. This thread gives me the rough template I need to do this. It’s a solid candidate for PE Creme status in my humble opinion. Very helpful stuff.

Originally Posted by Paul H.
Thanks. Excellent stuff again. I needed that to reinforce my original resolution to get satisfactory length first.

I guess I’ll be taking a full decon once I plateau. The game for me for now is to put that off as much as possible. This thread gives me the rough template I need to do this. It’s a solid candidate for PE Creme status in my humble opinion. Very helpful stuff.

Well thank you for the compliment. I’ll settle for helping members one at a time, if it made cream that’d be nice but…honestly. I’m glad it helps guys period.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6" MSEG as of 12/16/2016 This is my story...and a few progress pics of me here.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My big secret? My methods. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *8* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith. Also Fitness helps too.

I’ve never focused on girth. I clamped for a few weeks and lost my E.Q. And have shied away ever since.


Began December 2009 at 5 7/8" length and 5" girth.

As of December 5th 2012 7 3/8" BPEL and 6 1/8" base girth.

Going for the magic 8"x6"

Originally Posted by a-unit
I’ve never focused on girth. I clamped for a few weeks and lost my E.Q. And have shied away ever since.

Honestly, the first few times I tried clamping I never got it to work. I tried it…probably in the first year I was at PE twice. Then I tried it the second and probably 4th year cuz second year I nearly injured myself. Got the hang of it the 4th year and actually saw good effect. But I always put warnings if I recommend clamping, cuz it ain’t for everyone and it’s easy to get hurt.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6" MSEG as of 12/16/2016 This is my story...and a few progress pics of me here.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My big secret? My methods. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *8* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith. Also Fitness helps too.

I think clamping for girth would work, possibly in conjunction with pumping, as I’ve experienced some crazy expansion in wider tube and doing clamping back to back with pumping could get serious.

I just really want more length before any thought of girth.


Began December 2009 at 5 7/8" length and 5" girth.

As of December 5th 2012 7 3/8" BPEL and 6 1/8" base girth.

Going for the magic 8"x6"

Originally Posted by a-unit
I think clamping for girth would work, possibly in conjunction with pumping, as I’ve experienced some crazy expansion in wider tube and doing clamping back to back with pumping could get serious.

I just really want more length before any thought of girth.

Only issue with doing both is it lowers EQ drastically. So you can’t really do a detailed session of either if you’re working them on the same day, at the same time. I split the difference by doing it on consecutive days when I was brave enough but typically not that either, as the EQ and overall desire drop on the 3rd day is big enough for me to worry about.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6" MSEG as of 12/16/2016 This is my story...and a few progress pics of me here.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My big secret? My methods. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *8* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith. Also Fitness helps too.

Here we have another good example of different things working for different people. Take me for example.

I changed from just clamping 4 set by 7 mins to 2 sets of pump at 7 mins followed by 2 sets of clamping for 7 mins and my EQ has gone through the roof. My morning wood was so hard it was throbbing and I was getting involuntary PC contraction at the same time.

Was this what you meant, or did you mean doing a full set of both on the one day?

Originally Posted by Shaunbaby
Here we have another good example of different things working for different people. Take me for example.

I changed from just clamping 4 set by 7 mins to 2 sets of pump at 7 mins followed by 2 sets of clamping for 7 mins and my EQ has gone through the roof. My morning wood was so hard it was throbbing and I was getting involuntary PC contraction at the same time.

Was this what you meant, or did you mean doing a full set of both on the one day?

It was what I meant. I was suggesting you change to

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If that fluid build up is a concern I would go with 2 of the 7 minute clamps and 3 of the 5 minute clamps. To utilize the time gap to reduce fund buildup. Same with pumping sets. If that is your goal. Put less water in, take more time to let it drain, bucket overflows less.

I figured you’d figure out the time total you wanted and mix it just a touch less. Which was what I was getting at, to avoid fluid buildup to begin with. So either with 2 of the 7 clamps and pumps or 3 of the 5 minute clamps and pumps. Either or.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6" MSEG as of 12/16/2016 This is my story...and a few progress pics of me here.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My big secret? My methods. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *8* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith. Also Fitness helps too.

Your theory is 100% correct. I already had this feeling deep down that I should take a long break and do very little. I even noticed with wearing an extended it was better to have almost no tension just elongation. My penis would hang low consistently. The 1st time I really made gains was after I had a 5 month break which happened from an accident. When that happened I changed my heating method to an infrared lamp. I would heat my penis for 10 minutes then stretch 30 sec different angles for about 2-3 sets. I did the Mandingo stretch aswell. Then I would heat up again for 10 minutes and jelq for about 8 minutes with 3 30 second squeezes. Basically I would do different things to target everything. If I had time I would edge for 10 minutes. The strangest thing is when I would edge (ONLY AFTER) jelqing, I could feel the blood almost ripping through barriers, very weird sensation but felt good. Btw, I kegel in as much blood while edging with two hands, just sliding my hands off my dick, not the regular masturbating motion. Then I would heat it up for 10 minutes and put my penis in the extender on very light traction. I wouldn’t beat my dick up. I would jelq to the point where I still had a strong erection. I wore the extender for 8 hrs. My penis would be plump, stretchy and horny very often. I did it for only 5 days and gained half an inch in length and bigger lower hang/balls.

I am currently taking another break because I got heat damage from using a worn out infrared lamp up close.

I don’t know if the infrared lamp did the magic gain, or the deconditioning break and light jelq did. I would’ve never discovered it if I would’ve never had an accident.
So cheers to me!

Originally Posted by thoughtfulgold
Hi,

thoughtfulgold, here. Better known as TG or T-Gold to some. Lately I’ve been fielding the question “Should I focus my routine on girth or length? Or should I mix it up?” more and more often. Really, my answer in this is complex and it derives some key points from other Penis Enlargement schools of thought, like hanging and touches on what makes exercises and devices unique from each other. But let’s begin.

First, if you’re here and reading you’ve probably heard of and done the “jelq” at least once. It’s the staff of all PE, the gold standard for an exercise that increases length and girth for almost everyone. The reason being, the nature of the exercise inflicts minor trauma (tears in the tissues) to the sides of the penis, which will be repaired slightly larger and the corpus cavernosum is a particular area of the penis to note here. The jelq also stretches the ligaments holding the penis in place and adds trauma there as well. The jelq is just one of many different means to the same end: enlargement. Usage of it and it alone can grant you great gains in length and girth but this is where I bring my theory into play.

Exercises at a gym follow these same rules. You exercise and push a muscle to its limits, it heals back bigger and stronger. However, a principle often utilized at the gym does not get utilized in PE that I find should be. Variety.

The issue with PE is that there are only so many ways to stretch and stress the penis, especially if your budget has limited you to hands only PE. However, many people stick with the same exercises and devices and wonder why their gains drop off relatively soon despite increasing intensity and usage patterns. That is because of endurance. Any gym rat will tell you that they hit almost every machine in the gym over the course of a week. That they keep the exercises they do varied because doing the same thing actually decreases in effect over time. This can be applied to Penis Enlargement as well, to great effect. Actually, in some schools of thought, it already is.

Hanging, for example, advocates changing position and weights regularly. This keeps the ligaments that hanging targets for change and regeneration on the defense. It slows their ability to adapt and toughen up, which stymies the hanging process if you aren’t careful. It isn’t painful at all if your ligaments toughen up but…it basically lowers your ability to continue to gain. I ran into this when I was hanging and read the Hanging 101 thread which basically explained my old tactic of using the same setting (which had worked with my extender) had actually set me back in my hanging endeavors. Because I had hung in the same direction, when I stopped feeling strain I didn’t change positions and kept upping the weight. This turned my ligaments as tough as nails…so no more gains came (and I hadn’t really gotten much either) and there was nothing I could do about it without more knowledge.

I started talking with Big Al Alfaro and he introduced me to the “Deconditioning Break”. Mainly, in his recommended routines he will have you take an entire week off of all PE, devices or exercises or whatever, every 6 weeks. This gives your body a chance to rest, recharge, heal and…also, decondition a bit. So that the traumas you were doing over the last 5 weeks that you were starting to adjust to, are more of a shock to the system and can be more effective than they were the last time you were doing them. As I utilized this system I found that when I was pumping or when I was doing any particular device…that gains would come then stop but if I left a device alone or stopped doing an exercise for a while, then they would become effective again. That is the effect of deconditioning. The body appears to have 3 states of being, regarding any particular exercise or activity that it does.

Unconditioned: Where it is significant strain or discomfort to perform the action at all. Repetitions are not going to be high, intensity is low. Taking reps or intensity too high can cause injury.
*Note- This is what we mean when we refer to unconditioned penises and newbies to PE. This is why we don’t recommend excessive routines or device use. The odds of high intensity activities being effective instead of dangerous is too low and not worth the risk.

Conditioned: Where the body is adjusted to the stress and demand of the activity in question. Repetitions are based on strength and endurance. Taking reps or intensity higher results in fatigue but not necessarily in a bad way.

Over-Conditioned/numb/Strong or “The point of diminishing returns”: The body has adjusted so completely to the stress and demand of the activity in question no new trauma can form. It does not push the body to its limits and the exercise or activity has lost effectiveness and the return is no longer worth the time and effort to perform said action. Repetitions higher or intensity higher may have no or so little effect frustration may result and often this is where people experiment to the point of injury searching for the body’s new limits to push them.

Okay, so you read half of my research paper. Now you want to know “How does this effect me focusing on length or girth?” Well, here is how.

If you focus length exercises and use devices designed for length gains…you’ll gain in length. But the more you focus on only one thing, the more those targeted areas will become stronger and more resistant to the traumas you wish to put them through. Meaning, your ligaments, from regular and repeated trauma will toughen up. So will the other tissues you are continually stressing. Without variety in exercise and deconditioning breaks to throw your body and its desire to regenerate and defeat the exercises that stress it, the body can easily focus on one area to reinforce to stop future traumas. PE is a game of scheduled traumas, if the body stymies too much of them then there can be no gains at all.

An example I will use was someone I was observing back on the X4 forum. A user was using the X4 Labs Extender, he had gained a bit, I want to say about .5” in length. So he upped his tension levels and wear times and started on an ADS while he wasn’t in the Extender. Not only did he not gain, he triggered his body’s “turtling” reflex hard enough that the gains he had were lost AND he couldn’t get them back using those devices as his body had adjusted to the stresses that they were putting on his penis.

This person was using almost no rest days, the longer the routine stretched the less he rested. He had never taken a deconditioning break. And after repeated regular trauma his body adapted to the forces and so adding more time and more intensity did nothing.

By comparison, some of the biggest gainers on that forum took the typical 5 days on and 2 days off schedule or more days off and continued to gain regularly without having to resort to ridiculous levels of force or extra devices. They scheduled their trauma to the penis on certain days and allowed it to heal and decondition on other days, which kept the process of inflicting the stretching trauma effective. The same exact thing goes for any exercise or device.

Additionally, and this is why I recommend multiple devices or exercises for length or girth if they are your goals, when you switch trauma types. As in instead of you doing Squeezes for girth, you do Clamping for a while, your body is not prepared for clamping at all and you will gain more with less force. But after 6 weeks of Clamping your body won’t be ready for Squeezes like it was 12 weeks ago so you can start gaining again from squeezes as well. But I don’t recommend focusing on only one aspect because the more you can do different trauma SAFELY to the penis WITHOUT OVERDOING IT the more potential there is to gain.

This does not mean do Pumping, Clamping, and Squeezes in one session. Or even in the same week. Too much trauma is quite simply going to result in an injury. That’s overdoing it. Just keeping it varied will keep all of it effective. That difference needs be seen and noted. This goes for multiple length exercises as well. Often, our desire to do more will take us past our reasonable limits. And we only need exceed those by a small amount for good gains. A large amount may be better gains but is more likely a serious injury in the making.

To recap, Penis Enlargement as a practice is scheduled traumas to the penis.
* Too much of the same trauma builds resistance to it quickly
* Too much trauma at a time causes an injury that is counter productive or causes tissue retraction and resistance at a rate that will render your exercise or device useless faster and require you to change approaches at least for the time being if not longer term.
* Too little variety will still build resistance over time, even if you are still gaining
* Even if you do not have access to or the ability to vary devices and exercises a deconditioning break can be used to great effect to refresh the usefulness of the resources you have available
* If you have reached the point of diminishing returns, you can still do the exercise or device but it will require an extended time away from it for your body to be less prepared to receive that trauma again. This is more effective than continuing to amp up duration and intensity as it is not directly tempting serious injury risks. Overdoing it is never comparable to the effectiveness of a deconditioning break and a deconditioning break is safer by many magnitudes.
* Focusing length and girth with one exercise during a session is more effective than focusing length OR girth with two as it targets more areas of the penis and makes it less likely to adapt quickly. Over time the benefit is more obvious than the short term gains. This is at your discretion.

Keep in mind, that this is thoughtfulgold’s theory on Penis Enlargement as “Scheduled Traumas” and that some schools of thought require no serious changes in routine to see regular gains. However, in my experience, for people across disciplines of PE, variety is better overall. Your mileage may vary.

Please share your thoughts and experiences. Comment. As I said before, this is my theory and is based on my own observations and experiences through seven years of PE and thousands of dollars spent on various devices and services.

Hope it helps.

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