The tunica is the bottleneck

I believe that to. That’s exactly the reason why I bought an infrared lamp a few months ago. Now I can heat it during the WHOLE session.

But this is a littlebit offtopic….

I have been working with heat throughout my routine for a few months. It definitely helps with expansion. I use a heat pad, that I bought from Walmart. I jelq a set, then wrap in heat for a few minutes then jelq another set. I do this throughout my entire session. However I never did it with the thought in mind of softening my tunica. Heat draws more blood, which helps engorge the CC and CS and this was always my reasoning for using heat.

Vanloon you have a conclusion ( make the tunica thinner, for more expansion) and you are looking for evidence to support you’re conclusion. This is bad science, you should never have a conclusion first then look for evidence to support that conclusion.. You will always have bias information, and slanting information to fit you’re conclusion just will not get you anywhere.

The idea that the tunica might be a bottleneck is interesting. The notion that we need to find a way to make the tunica thinner, is a leap, and possibly dangerous.

I may have misunderstood, I do this with impeccable efficiency. :) I assumed by “golden key”, you meant replicating a .5 gain every month as some newbies do. I mostly discount newbie gains, I see them more as maximising what is already there, not making something new. I gained at a high rate when I started, an improved erection and enhanced penile circulation is a gain to me, but nothing to write home about.

I think the new key lies in the same bed as danger, erect manipulation, etc. Plateaus, IMO, are self made by trying to get out of applying more stress in fear of injury, nothing wrong with that. I’ve seen a few clamping injuries here and there, and the intensity is mild compared to what you can do with your hands and an erection.

There is a line in the sand as far as communicating what I’m insinuating above, and rightly so. Desperation often leads to heartbreak. If I write anything specific, it will be on my bandwidth.

Clamping isn’t as new as as it appears, check out what Bigger accomplished with a hose clamp, only the name of the method has changed because of the instrument- Cable “Clamp”.

NPE is Natural Penis Enlargement, a term I prefer to use thanks to the increasing popularity of surgical enhancement. I’ve used heat maybe a handful of times in over two years, I highly discount heat as a tunica expander, but do acknowledge it as a injury reducer.

Vanloon, the aspartame abstinence is working fine, BTW. :up:

1) Pud, You call it bad science.
There are two types of researchers.
a) People who investigate stuff while they have no idea what the profit will be after the conclusion is made. That’s why these people are not interesting in conclusion-speculation before the research is finished
b) People who think (dream?) what the impact of some (future)conclusions-scenarios may have. These people think about the wonderful solutions which are probably possible if the conclusion which they have in mind before the actual research is true. But these people are also able to accept the fact that they might have the wrong (future)conclusion.

I am type b. If people call that bad science, so be it. The only thing that I am interested in, how can we make better PE programs. And it were inventors and the entrepreneurs who gave the America so much wealth, not the researchers.

2) Come on man, that’s bs. Why do I want to let myself MRI’d? I want objective information if I have a significant thicker and stronger tunica then non-PE guys. I THINK I have, but I want to know it for sure. Why do you think I want to talk with doctors? If I was 100% convinced that I am right about my thick tunica, why should I want to spend time on doctors then?

3) If I say now to people: “Hey, you have to make your tunica thinner! then you will gain faster!” Yes, that will be very foolish and perhaps dangerous. And IF I said something like that in my earlier posts, then that was certainly not the intention. It is WAY to early to make our tunica thinner. And maybe, we find out that the whole tunica theory is bull shit. Maybe we find out that the tunica theory is a fact, but it is not wise to make your tunica thin. Maybe we find out that the tunica theory is a fact, but there are no ways to make your tunica thinner……
But if we say NOW, on THIS moment: “it is not wise to make your tunica thinner”, that would be serious bad science.

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I’d hoped that you had given a reaction on the 12 points that I answered you in an earlier post. You said some good things for testing the theory. Maybe we should talk about the theory again, in stead of things like “bad / good” science, etc.

In my next post I want to give another reason why the tunica-bottleneck theory could be right.

For now, all the best man! Thanks for you replies and happy gaining!

There are many people who get a less stronger erections after some week of (only) clamping. Why is that? Maybe the tunica-bottleneck theory gives the answer!

We have a CC capacity and a tunica capacity.
1) If the capacity of the CC is 14 cubic inches and the capacity of the tunica is 13 cubic inches. Then the tunica is the bottleneck. You will get a good strong erection because the CC pushes against the tunica.
2) If the capacity of the CC is 13 cubic inches and the capacity of the tunica is 14 cubic inches. Then the CC is the bottleneck. You will get a not 100% hard erection, because the CC don’t push against the tunica hard enough to create a hard erection.

What does clamping? It puts a enormous amount of stretching force on the tunica. As a result, the tunica gets bigger after some weeks. But what if the (capacity) increase of the tunica is bigger then the increase of the CC? Then you will get scenario 2! And end up with a less stronger erection.

But why has BigGirtha a good erection strength then? Because he was able to increase the CC as much as the tunica. How? You have to ask him… I think through jelqing…

[Off topic]
That’s great to hear! But it is difficult to eat nothing of it! The killing industry puts it in so many products these days. Last morning I drunk some ordinary apple juice. Even that contains aspartame! Why? Because it is 3 times cheaper then sugar. That they kill people is less important.
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What if there is a ratio that has to be met for growth. What if the CC has to have a higher ratio of pressure to capacity than the tunica? Which is exactly what clamping is doing, increasing the CC in mass to expand the tunica with pressure.

Now what if the tunica has to be built up to keep from rupturing? Then making it thin would be a bad thing, from the stand point of injury and erection quality.

I think the tunica has to be expanded with pressure. I think the main risk of injury from clamping is in the veins. I also think the tunica can be stretched and you still dont gain. Have you tried doing bends, slinky, or obends? I feel these exercises stretch the tunica, and some people have reported big gains from them. I personally feel it’s a combination of the two, the CC and the tunica being stretched in the case of the tunica, and being engorged in the case of the CC.

Very good point. But I mention it earlier:

If that is correct, a thick and though tunica has positive and negative sides:
+change of getting injured while having sex is less
+the penis feels harder
-it becomes more difficult to make the tunica bigger

So a thin tunica has positive and negative sides also:
-change of getting injured while having sex CAN BE bigger
-the penis feels softer
+it becomes more easy to make the tunica bigger

Is the theory useless now? I don’t think so. If the theory is correct and there are ways to make your tunica thinner, then you have to follow the right pad. You don’t want to make tunica SO thin that sex is dangerous or that your penis feels not totally hard. Maybe you have to find a optimum for good tunica gaining and a hard dick. But that is the very future.

Pud,
You give us some good reactions. But I must say, all your reactions are negative. I have not the intention that everyone must believe in what I am saying (I also don’t believe in it, I only THINK it’s true). And it is certainly not my mission to convince you that the theory can’t be busted. The only mission is to make better PE programs. Maybe this theory can attribute to that, maybe not—>time will tell. But if I ONLY hear negative things, that doesn’t work on the motivation.

Example:
You mention that if we make the tunica thinner, the erection strength will drop (that is exactly what the theory says, so you have it absolutely right) But why think so negatively? Maybe it is only 0,01%: we don’t know! Maybe there are ways to overcome that problem! If we change the ratio CC and tunica capacity (through jelqing for example), so the CC pushes harder against the tunica, the result is a harder erection.

All I want to say is, that there are solutions for more problems then you think. Maybe solutions which we never though they were possible!

Example:
a doctor says: “NOW WAY!! you can not make your penis bigger”. This doctor can give you 1000 reasons why it is IMPOSSIBLE. He can give you scientific “prove” that it is impossible.
We at thunders all know that there ARE ways to gain erect volume. Why? Because years ago there was a man who thought by himself “What the hell, I’m gonna stretch my dick to make it larger”. Later there were guys who invented jelqing. Do you think these things were born from science?

So it’s negative for me to disagree with you’re assumptions? This is exactly what I was saying earlier, that is you already have a conclusion and any information that doesn’t fit you dismiss and term negative. Well I have been doing PE for a very long time, I didnt just start thinking about this stuff yesterday.

You can postulate about this notion and theorise all you want. The fact of the matter is you’re vast knowledge of bicycle inter-tubes really does’t explain the complexity of a human organ. I know you mean well and are just trying to come up with something. However this is a trial and error type operation we have going on here. You got out test you’re theories with physical practice, and report back here with you’re results.

Of course if you actually come up with a way to thin you’re tunica. Please tell us first and let us try to talk you out of hurting yourself.

I need to admit, there is something very true about that.
MRD

ok

The penis is a pretty complex organ. A few other things to take into consideration is blood vessels, the urethra and nerves in the penis, for example.

Anyone still reading this?

I just did while nodding off and in.

Pissing contests usually flame out eventually, or mods step in.

I don’t think anyone has moved us much more forward from those days regarding why plateaus occur, or what works in general, and there is no science to report other than rat studies etc.

We just have to bash on an experience what we do and when that stops working, do something different.

The balance between the Tunica and the CC was an interesting line of inquiry, but faded into argument.

Really? Damn, and here I was thinking that after a four pages there would be an answer! :)

I agree with A-Unit. It seems to be a worthy discussion, it’s a pity it turned into an argument instead.
It seemed as if the Dutchman was onto something that was worth investigating by the veterans.
Ie. "Hmmm, interesting hypothesis. Okay, I’ll humor you. Let’s pretend for a moment that this is true. If this is the case, the better exercises/routine would have to be xyz.. For these reasons.”
Hell, I would’ve tried whatever was suggested.
Old thread and I’m just blowing off steam in an empty room.

My gains have slowed to almost nothing.. Well, nothing.
I enjoy PE. I don’t have hours a day to do it though.
I have an EQ of 8 1/2 to 9 (Just short of Viagra type EQ).
Feels rock hard, no deflated glans problem.
It is a little firmer when flaccid but not really enough to cause me concern.
Basically,
My problem is this plateau I’m on. (Which is I guess the only problem PEers have, besides injury.) have taken a month off PE to see if it would help.
I thought this thread would have somewhat of an answer to work towards. Doh!

Cheers comrade Rooster Farmers!