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The tunica is the bottleneck

Originally Posted by vanloon
That’s a good point. But I want to reach my goals in the next couple of years, not in the year 2060.

vanloon,

you raise good points. Even though I understand human anatomy to some degree, I don’t know enough about the penis to say whether what you hypothesize is true. Your theory certainly explains some results.

Years ago I recall reading a thread from a medical student who wanted to know whether penis enlargement was possible. He proposed that is probably was, but relayed that his professors said it was not possible. After some time he reported back that, after studying it, his major professors were right. The anatomy of the penis rendered it impossible. He never said why that was, and I just took his word for it.

Personally, I think that certain kinds of gains ARE possible, but most are not permanent. For example, I think that girth gains are not likely permanent. It is my opinion that pumping, jelqing, and clamping are all doing the same thing (although through different mechanisms). The medical community is emphatic that pumping is NOT PERMANENT, and it’s not likely that these others methods are either. Now, it is very likely that you can maintain size increases through maintenance programs. Growth is studied on this board, not maintenance (per se)

On the other hand, I do think that tunica and ligament stretching will be somewhat permanent. In fact, doctors prescribe stretching exercises to those who undergo certain type of PE surgery. Many human tissues can be stretched, and such stretching is somewhat permanent. I think this is where your tunica theory has a big impact.

novi,

The permanence of gains are discussed in a good thread of Wadzilla. Look at PE and “Permanence” .

I believe in permanence of PE gains. Just look at the lips of some African women, after they wear disks in it for years. Those lips are definitely stretched for lifetime!

But, the permanence of gains is not what I want to discuss in this thread. I want to know if my theory about the thickness of the tunica is right and I want to know if the tunica can be made less strong and eventually thinner, so newbie gains can be made continuously.


GOAL for December 2007: 8 X Red Bull

GOAL for December 2025: 14 X 10

Maybe there is another symptom which can declare why the theory could be right.

Why does newbies experience stronger erections after some months training? We always thought that it was because “jelqing is healthy for the penis”, “it helps with blood flow” etc. If I look at the tunica theory, this explanation might be bs.

Let me take the example of the tubes again. I have two tubes:
1) a rubber thickness of 0,5 mm.
2) a rubber thickness of 1,0 mm.

Tube number 1 stands for the penis that has never been jelqed
Tube number 2 stands for the penis after 3 months of jelqing

We inflate the tubes to 3 bar. Now we’re gonna check how hard the two tubes feel like. And guess what? tube number 2 feels much harder then tube number 1. Why? If you squeeze in the tube, the air must go somewhere. If the rubber thickness (and thoughness) is more, then the rubber is less able to expand and the tube “feels” harder. That’s exactly what happen when you had made your tunica thicker and stronger! If you squeeze your penis (to check how hard it is), the blood have to go somewhere. But if your tunica is very thick and strong, it will not expand so easily, so your dick feels hard.

If that is correct, a thick and though tunica has positive and negative sides:

+change of getting injured while having sex is less
+the penis feels harder
-it becomes more difficult to make the tunica bigger

Why had BigGirtha experienced so much girth gain? Because he understood that it is very difficult to make the tunica bigger when it had become though tissue. But his clamping activities were strong enough to stretch even the very though tunica tissue adequately.

But how thick and though is BigGitrha’s tunica at the moment? Maybe so thick that even hard clamping is not enough to stretch it adequately…. (I’m just brainstorming…so don’t take it to seriously). And BG, you are still one of my favorites, how thick and strong your tunica even is.

But, wouldn’t it be beautiful if we are able to have control over the thickness of our tunica? Wouldn’t it be beautiful if we experience newbie gains all the time because the tunica is able to stretch easily?


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What we need to start to apply this theory is someone in the medical field, preferably someone dealing with the penis. Because do we know for sure that tunica actually becomes tougher? I too believe that girth gains in a sense will not stay forever, atleast not without some maintenance. If the tunica does infact toughen up over time, I would believe that jelqing would be the biggest factor in that. Maybe heat is really the key to your theory, or a start to understanding it. I believe it is going to boil down to what toughens up, the tunia or the cc? I still believe the CC might be a factor in it as well. Also if the tunica toughing up is the main problem, then I believe hanging would be key, atleast for length. Maybe I’m totally off here, but I’m just throwing it out there to think about.

Oh and this is my first post, been lurking for awhile. Thanks for all the info from those members who provide it. Great site with great members.

Stretching inside the tunica(manually and mechanically).

I have been considering a new type of stretching that I am not sure we have discussed before at thunders. stretching the tunica inside out . I am a grower not a shower ,and it may effect wheather or not you can easily try this. start at 30 to 40 percent erect. Place your forefingers on the sides of your unit with the nail touching the cavernosium and push down into the skin along the side of the shaft. Going from the tip in twoard the base. When you pass inside the tunica along the shaft then curl your fingertips out and “hook” under the tunica and stretch outward to the right and left of your shaft. It probably will be tough to feel the diffrence at first untill you get the right erection level . Too much and you can’t get under it and too little and it is retracted and you will not be able to distinguish where it is. I have been doing this for about a week and it really makes it sore. I am working on a devise that will mimic the finger and be able to be worn all the time under clothes for a all day tunica stretch. It will be spring loaded for ease of use . Try it with your fingers if you can and see for yourself. I believe that you are right Sir, the tunica is the bottleneck we must break through. Thoughts Anyone?

Cactus, I was thinking the same thing. If you are just looking for length, wouldn’t strictly hanging or stretching be your best bet? Jelqing seems to help with length and girth, but if it’s toughing up the tunica, I would imagine you technically would be slowing down length gains.


Gut Scramblin' goodness.

Would this kind of negate the beginners routine? I know alot of people say it is conditioning yourself to prevent injuries but is this conditioning also toughing up the tunica to prevent more extreme gains than what stretching and jelqing can provide?

If someone could insert a diagram of the penis somewhere here, that would be good

Originally Posted by ocd
Just some ideas to go along with the future comments..

1. Heat will solve a multitude of problems when it comes to relaxing a stubborn material such as the tunica.

2. Once the plateau is firmly in place the tunica should be hit with different exercises/stretches other than the current routine.in other words, change the routine and shock it. Shock the hell out of it.

3. Keep the principle of the rock and the water in mind

Yes, I recommend a heat lamp and a 3# sledge- that would do it.

How the heck does one “shock” a fibrous collegen sheath? This isn’t muscle tissue afterall.

Originally Posted by cactus_jack
1) What we need to start to apply this theory is someone in the medical field, preferably someone dealing with the penis.
2) Because do we know for sure that tunica actually becomes tougher?
3 If the tunica does infact toughen up over time, I would believe that jelqing would be the biggest factor in that.
4) Maybe heat is really the key to your theory, or a start to understanding it.
5) I still believe the CC might be a factor in it as well.
6) Also if the tunica toughing up is the main problem, then I believe hanging would be key, atleast for length.

1) I totally agree with that.

2) We don’t know it for 100%. But it seems VERY plausible because:
-newbies who clamp get injured
because they have a thin / weak tunica that can’t handle the force

-newbies grow fast
because they have a thin / weak tunica which easily stretch larger

-newbies experience harder erections after a few months of training
because the tunica gets thicker, they get the tube-effect that I mention in a earlier post

-there are plateaus
because the tunica gets stronger and more difficult to stretch larger

-clamping is very effective for a lot of people
because THAT exercise is able to stretch a very strong and tough tunica

So there are quite few reasons why it has to be the tunica.

3) More than stretching? Why do you think it’s the jelqing that causes tunica thickening? (I think it to, but what’s you motivation?)

4) I think heat can make the tunica stretch more easily (is that what you’re saying to?) But we all heat the penis before and/or while the exercise take place. So what kind of role can heating play in the theory?

5) Why? I think it is absolutely NOT the CC. If it was (also?) the CC, then you won’t get such a hard erection! Let me explain.

Scenario 1) Let’s say that the tunica allows 16 cubic inch in its “tube”. And the CC is able to allow 17 cubic inch into the CC. In this scenario, the tunica is the bottleneck. The CC can not get his 17 cubic inch blood, but only 16 cubic inch because the tunica don’t allow more.
What is the result? The result is a hard erection, because the CC “pushes” the tunica to its limit.

Scenario 2) Let’s say that the tunica allows 17 cubic inch in its “tube”. And the CC is able to allow 16 cubic inch into the CC. In this scenario, the CC is the bottleneck. The CC is able to get his 16 cubic inch blood, but that is not the enough to push the tunica to its limit. That limit was 17 cubic inch.
What is the result? The result is a not 100% hard erection, because the CC does not push the tunica to its limit.

So the conclusion must be:
-When you experience good and seriously strong erections, then your CC is able to allow more blood then your tunica allows.
-When you are not able to get 100% erections, then it is POSSIBLE that your CC can not allow more blood then your tunica.

6) Clamping was also “the key”. But what kind of key? I think clamping and hanging are silver keys. To get yourself a thinner, more stretchable tunica, is the GOLDEN key!

But we haven’t found the golden key YET. I launched this thread to find it. And I ask all the people here at Thunder, to help me find it.

Thanks..


GOAL for December 2007: 8 X Red Bull

GOAL for December 2025: 14 X 10

Originally Posted by waxx
I have been considering a new type of stretching that I am not sure we have discussed before at thunders. stretching the tunica inside out . I am a grower not a shower ,and it may effect wheather or not you can easily try this. start at 30 to 40 percent erect. Place your forefingers on the sides of your unit with the nail touching the cavernosium and push down into the skin along the side of the shaft. Going from the tip in twoard the base. When you pass inside the tunica along the shaft then curl your fingertips out and “hook” under the tunica and stretch outward to the right and left of your shaft. It probably will be tough to feel the diffrence at first untill you get the right erection level . Too much and you can’t get under it and too little and it is retracted and you will not be able to distinguish where it is. I have been doing this for about a week and it really makes it sore. I am working on a devise that will mimic the finger and be able to be worn all the time under clothes for a all day tunica stretch. It will be spring loaded for ease of use . Try it with your fingers if you can and see for yourself. I believe that you are right Sir, the tunica is the bottleneck we must break through. Thoughts Anyone?

I love to see people come up with new exercises! It’s quite difficult to understand what you are saying, but I’m going to try it out.

But, the essence of this topic was:
-Is the tunica-bottleneck theory correct
-How can we make our tunica thinner / more stretchable (like when we were newbies)


GOAL for December 2007: 8 X Red Bull

GOAL for December 2025: 14 X 10

If you can find the “golden key” I think everyone at Thunders should donate you 500 dollars.

They should forward it to you, through me though. Easier.

Originally Posted by cactus_jack
Would this kind of negate the beginners routine? I know alot of people say it is conditioning yourself to prevent injuries but is this conditioning also toughing up the tunica to prevent more extreme gains than what stretching and jelqing can provide?

That is a very good point. But it will not be wise to let newbies do hard PE. The change of injury is way to big. But Yes, they will build up a stronger tunica while the doing the newbie routine (talking in terms of the theory) which is not good for further gains. I think it choosing from 2 negative choices. I also think the newbie routine is the best choice because of the injury risk.

But, I have a WAY TO STRONG AND THICK tunica after years op doing PE exercises. I want to be a newbie again….
(and not in the next life)


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Thank you Vanloon Sir, I did not intend to hijack your thread but felt it may be of intrest to you and others what I have been doing. On to bed.


Last edited by waxx : 11-12-2005 at . Reason: did not want to interupt the flow.

I really have no scientific basis for saying jelqing may cause the tunica to toughen up. I just for some reason see the force and the way the exercise is applied to relate to it. Some say that heat is used to make the penis, namely the tunica, more easily stretched and manipulated. This would mean to me it is softening the tissue to a greater extent. So if the tunica becomes stronger the heat still is causing it to soften up just to a lesser extent than when you just started. According to this theory I don’t see how stretching would thicken or strengthen the tunica to a really big extent. It would see that the girth exercises are the ones that would cause this, atleast to me. I currently am only manual stretching and doing inverted v-stretches and I have gained a quarter inch in length in almost a month. I was convinced that girth (jelqing) would only hinder my length gains. I do buy into what you are saying and now I understand what you mean with the CC not limiting anything. I think this is hard to understand because the tunica is unlike any tissue in the body, atleast of what I know of.

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