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The mystery of base girth gains

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The mystery of base girth gains

Many have wondered in the past how base girth gains are obtained through clamping mostly right in the area under the clamp. It seems an inexplicable phenomenon, since the area under the clamp is not getting any expansion, while clamped.

The same happen with hanging: hangers (expecially those who hang with a clamp-style hanger, so using relatively high weights) get base girth gains through hanging. How is it possible?

Finally, some people report base girth gains through manual stretching and using an extender, although less frequently than clampers and hangers.

I have tried in the past to explain how I think that happens, but since I don’t masterize English that well, my posts weren’t that understandable. It could be, on the other hand, that my explanation was wrong of course. Here I’m trying again; I’ll use two weapon : more patience and a poll to see if a) my explanation is clear enough; b) if it is convincing.

Of course anyone can make his observations. Given the purpose, the first post of this thread will be pretty long - for which I ask to be forgiven in advance.

Ok, let me start.
First, it could be that the mechanism causing base growth is different for each technique: clampers gain base girth in a way, hangers in another way etc.. But if we could find a unique cause for all of this techniques, that would be more convincing, of course.

For this reason, other causes supposed to cause the growth than the one I’m going to elucidate, arent’ convincing, IMO. One reason is, for hangers, that hanging pulls out the inner penis, which being wider will give a girthier penis at the base. This explanation doesn’t hold water, also, because your penis is anchored to your body, at the pubic ramus. Beside that, how clampers would be ‘pulling out the inner penis’? So this is not the reason.

Neither the growth can be caused by lymph fluid build up. Hangers don’t have fluid build up (vac-hangers have fluid build up actually, but in the glans, not in the shaft); clampers can have fluid build up about everywhere in the penis but under the clamp - the clamp itself is preventing fluid accumulation.

Lack of oxygenation is not the cause of base girth growth either. Although mild hypoxia can cause hypertophy of many tissues, hangers don’t have hypoxia in the area below the clamp - if your hanging set is too long, you’ll feel your penis becoming cold in the glans, not in the shaft, check it if you don’t believe. Beside that, there isn’t any significative hypoxia with manual stretching or using an extender. There are other reasons that disproves this proposed explanation, but I think what said is enough.

So, how base girth gains are achieved? It’s not a big mistery after all: through stretching. First, notice that when your penis is stretched for a while, the tunica albuginea (TA) is stretched. TA has two layers in most of people (on some people more than two, others just one), but this really makes little difference. Since TA is viscoelastic, if the stretch is prolonged for more than, say, 1 minute, with a relatively high force, it tends to remain stretched; if you apply a perpendicular force to TA in this moment, it is deformed in that direction more than it could be deformed before the axial (toward its lenght) stretch.

With hanging, manual stretching and an extender, the above happens. But what is the force that will stretch perpendicularly (so, since TA is circular, in girth) the penis after the stretching force will cease to operate? The pressure of the blood, of course.

How about clamping, then? Here, the stretching force is the pressure of the clamp. It stretches TA like a bakers stretches the paste for pizza (see pic). The combined effect of the pressure of the clamp and the pressure of the blood stretches TA. When the clamp is removed, the blood will inflate again the previously constricted volume, stretching it again, this time circularly.

Ok, now maybe you are wondering: but in both cases, pressure should tend to equate in the whole penis, so again why girth gains so dramatically concentrated at the base? Because the base is less elastic. At the base you have ligs, which are less elastic than TA. At the base, TA itself has less elastic fibers. Of all references that I could find, I have to cite this: although I don’t trust that much the Doc, because it seems like a infomercial, the anatomy information and illustrations are very good:

“Role of Elastic Fibers in the Tunica

The second structural component of the tunica albuginea is the elastic fibers that form an irregularly latticed framework on which collagen rests. In the penile shaft, tunical elastic fibers and collagen are intertwined. However, proximally (the base) strands of skeletal muscle intermingle with outer layer bundles along the lateral aspect of the crus penis (interface of collagen fibers and IC muscle). The elastic network is present but with fewer fibers. The tunica at both ends (base and glans) where the inner layer bundles terminate, consists exclusively of collagen, reminiscent of ligamentous tissue.”

http://www.pegym.com/expert-blogs/t…nis-enhancement

So, everything seems to make sense now, don’t you think? I have to add two things: 1) I think there is a complementary cause for BG gains in hangers : hypertrophy of ligs. You can see hypertrophied ligs pretty clearly in some hangers pics. This is not the sole cause though, because penis has become wider even in the area not covered by ligs. b) I don’t know if pumpers do experience mostly base girth gains, like hangers and clampers. I’m not a ‘professional pumper’; what I can see, is that when pumping the base expands more at first, then as time goes on whilst inside the tube, expansion tends to equate in the whole shaft.

This post was probably too verbous at the eyes of many - there isn’t really any secret here. But believe me, I’ve seen many many times people lost when speaking of this topic, so hope this helps.

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Last edited by marinera : 03-28-2012 at .

Good post, marinera.

I had to read it couple of times to get it though.

I’m not sure about the blood thing.. is that really enough pressure to make permanent gains? What about that most of the tension goes to base anyway, because of the shape our penises are “molded” to our body. Maybe the length gains are from base too. Maybe the base gets thicker and longer at the same time because most of the stress goes there. I’m talking about hanging here.

So, clamping. I think most people get gains where the clamp sits, because there’s huge pressure just next to the clamp. Tissues kinda pushes under the clamp and stretches like hell.

I’m not saying your idea is wrong, actually it makes sense to me.

Maybe all these things together makes the base girth gains? Who knows?

Are people getting the base girth gains at same rate as the length gains from hanging? Like 0.1” base girth, 0.1” length, for example. Or does the girth come first or the length? Same time? I know I have gained some base girth but I have not really tracked the measurements there.

I’m pretty sure I have seen thread about clamping and gains under the clamp. I’ll try to search it if I find it.


Hanging through the year 2012. Check my log.

Thanks Mister007.

Originally Posted by mister007
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I’m not sure about the blood thing.. is that really enough pressure to make permanent gains? What about that most of the tension goes to base anyway, because of the shape our penises are “molded” to our body. Maybe the length gains are from base too. Maybe the base gets thicker and longer at the same time because most of the stress goes there. I’m talking about hanging here.
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Actually, if TA is less elastic at the base in both layers, that’s what I would expect: both length and girth gains at the base. The two things sounds like they go hand in hand to me.

The base getting thicker just because the weight, that doesn’t sound right to me, on the other hand. TA is ver, very thin. Corpora cavernosa just are inflated by blood. So, what is getting thicker? Ligs, ok. But, beside that, if girth grows, TA is circulary stretched. Once the weight (or clamp) is removed, I don’t see other forces at work beside blood.

Originally Posted by mister007
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Are people getting the base girth gains at same rate as the length gains from hanging? Like 0.1” base girth, 0.1” length, for example. Or does the girth come first or the length? Same time? I know I have gained some base girth but I have not really tracked the measurements there.
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Well, I don’t know. Why do you think the question is relevant?

Originally Posted by marinera
Well, I don’t know. Why do you think the question is relevant?


Well you already answered that “The two things sounds like they go hand in hand to me.”.

I can’t find the clamp thread about gains under the clamp.


Hanging through the year 2012. Check my log.

Originally Posted by mister007

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I can’t find the clamp thread about gains under the clamp.

It is a pretty frequent reported phenomenon. A number of guys reported that in this thread, for example

What did clamping do for you?

Just to confuse things further the only pumping gains I’ve had are at the base !

Ahaha, not confusing at all, it is consistent with my proposed explanation actually. Thanks Capernicus1.

2/3 still find my explanation unclear. Oh Jesus my English still sucks! :(

So far those who understand the explanation find it convincing but one. Any reason why find it not convincing?

I guess it makes sense that if the TA is less elastic at the base then gains there should be easier as once stretched it would be less likely to spring back.

I’ve had small base girth gains with both clamping and pumping which I find odd as in one instance the the base is constricted to a smaller diameter and in the other the base is expanded to a larger diameter !

I mean, it makes sense, but as the dude said, “that’s just your opinion man…”

I need some real medical literature to take it as fact.

But fuck it, who cares why, as long as you have a bigger dong in the end?

It seems to make sense. Thanks for taking the time to explain it.

I am intrigued by the idea of the area under the clamp growing. I suppose no one really clamps anywhere but the base so it is difficult to say for sure from that scenario.

Just to (attempt to) be clear, are you suggesting the overall stress on the TA may be greater when moving from a compressed state to a blood filled state than it is from a blood filled state to a clamped or pumped state?


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A few guys experimented a bit with clamping - clamping in different places, with multiple clamps, etc.. By what I remember, either they had similar outcome or very poor outcome.

Originally Posted by cantlook
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Just to (attempt to) be clear, are you suggesting the overall stress on the TA may be greater when moving from a compressed state to a blood filled state than it is from a blood filled state to a clamped or pumped state?


Uhm, it’s me not sure that I understand the question, now. What I’m suggesting is that the length-oriented stress weakens the tunica; thereafter (when the weight or clamp is removed) the blood, pushing against the weakened area, keeps that area stretched.

Using Thunderss’ analogy, it is like stretching a balloon before blowing it up. We also don’t know how long this area remains ‘weakened’; if this recover takes more than a given number of hours, nocturnal erections (which are stronger than diurnal erections) could work in the same sense, stretching again the said area (AKA the base).

This would suggest, more generally, that axial (toward length) stress could have a synergistic (hope is the right word) effect for girth gains (a not new idea, I think).

An indirect verification of this hypothesis could be obtained hanging before pumping, to see if a greater expansion is achieved (at least at the base).

Originally Posted by marinera
A few guys experimented a bit with clamping - clamping in different places, with multiple clamps, etc.. By what I remember, either they had similar outcome or very poor outcome.

Uhm, it’s me not sure that I understand the question, now. What I’m suggesting is that the length-oriented stress weakens the tunica; thereafter (when the weight or clamp is removed) the blood, pushing against the weakened area, keeps that area stretched.

Using Thunderss’ analogy, it is like stretching a balloon before blowing it up. We also don’t know how long this area remains ‘weakened’; if this recover takes more than a given number of hours, nocturnal erections (which are stronger than diurnal erections) could work in the same sense, stretching again the said area (AKA the base).

This would suggest, more generally, that axial (toward length) stress could have a synergistic (hope is the right word) effect for girth gains (a not new idea, I think).

An indirect verification of this hypothesis could be obtained hanging before pumping, to see if a greater expansion is achieved (at least at the base).


I understand. :) I think you are right.

I was just looking at one aspect of what you said, coupled with something you said the other day, and the gears started turning in my head, they just hadn’t turned far enough before I started typing.

I’ll come back to it later, maybe. ;) Sorry to sidetrack the thread.


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