The Best Damn PE Advice, PERIOD!

I’ve been on a TP detox for a few weeks, mainly because I wanted to experiment with PE for myself and I got tired about talking about dicks all the time. I do this several times a year, and once a year I pretend I don’t know anything about PE and hit the books to hard to learn a few new things. I mean I literally read books and books about about medical science to form new ideas about PE.

Wanna know what I found? I’ll sum it up.

1. Listen to your body.

2. Don’t force yourself to PE.

3. Less IS really more.

That’s listen to your body and learn how you respond to PE. Fuck what other people say and certain programs, even the newbie routine is too much for some people. Just do what you can now, but it back if it’s too much, and take notes over everything. I mean it, TAKE PE NOTES! These are your notes and your notes alone. So when you gain you can write down what you did and be able to tailor your PE sessions into one badass program you’re going to use forever.

Don’t force yourself to PE ever!. Fuck all these supplements you’re wasting your money on that can hurt you, Fuck pumping and clamping yourself so you can do a half assed PE session. If you can’t PE again after the last session, then maybe you need more time resting or you need to cut your intensity/time in half. I’m not talking about age related ED either, but usually the inability to get an erection is the first sign for other problems…. Like a cold, too much stress/stimulants, and too much porn/masturbation. If you can, then do it, if you can’t, don’t worry.

“Less is more” is a phrase I toss around a lot, but few people know it’s true practice. What I mean by this is doing very little PE to begin with and constructing your PE sessions around less time over all. If you don’t have all day to jack around, then get it done in less time. I used to PE for hours and hours a day, but now I can knock that shit out in 10-15 minutes and gain just as much… Which says a lot being how conditioned I am, .25” in 6 months is a big deal when you’ve been at it for years and years. Don’t under estimate this either! You may be hurting yourself now and won’t be able to tell until your endorphins go away and you wake up hurting.

So far I’ve been able to add a good 1/8” of girth in under two months just following my own advice. Screw any set and rep scheme, I just listen to my body and I still do the ABA BAB thing, but I don’t ever panic if I can’t make a session. If I don’t feel like it and my erections suck, I don’t PE. Although, I do a small amount of jelqs everyday between one set of 20 and three sets of up to 100 jelqs total. I haven’t hurt myself once because I got used to listening to my body. If I wake up with a stiffy I can do more, but I also don’t beat myself up if I forget. I’m planning on using this for the rest of my life, maybe hitting 10” by 7” over the next 25 years and being a huge grandpa.

Be hard or don’t go, I like your attitude TheGreatDivider, it works for me.

Thanks Behemoth,

I’ve had enough experience in what doesn’t work long term, so I started working on only what does. I know I could work up to 1,000 wet jelqs and 2,000 kegels a day like I did at 15, but all that got me was wrist cramps, blood bruises, and failing grades in school. I know I could stomach 10g of L-arginine AKG or pure L-arginine, take everything from maca to tribulus, and anything and everything I could swallow, and all that would happen is I might grow a tiny bit faster but not enough to justify the expense. Gadgets and toys are fun too, but you can’t rely on those for the rest of your life as many guys with over pumped, over clamped, over worked cocks will tell you. So I started working on reinventing the wheel, as they say. High intensity, low rep, low volume PE sessions just work better for me, and less ejaculation and less time spent try to get a hard-on just seemed to make common sense, which turned out improving me EQ. I’ve spent a great deal of time working on different PE sessions with different groupings and more or less time off. It was only recently that I found working head girth together with length and kegels together girth exercises allowed me to rest enough between sessions to keep growing.

I don’t really even PE that much and I still just keep growing and growing. I might do those two routines 2 times a week or 3 times a week, and then do some light wet jelqs daily. But I work those my penis hard for those 10 minute sessions twice a week. It’s a lot of warm up exercises just to feel the exercises, maybe between 2 and 10 sets, and then one drop set to failure with a scramble to get hard as quickly as possible so I reach complete fatigue sooner. For the past couple of weeks that’s been something like one erect kegel hold for 60 seconds, 10-30 seconds of rest watching porn, one erect kegel hold of 30-45 seconds, another 10-30 seconds of rest watching porn, one final erect kegel hold for 10-20 seconds DONE! I’ll take maybe 5 minutes off for the girth routine depending on how I’m feeling or just say it for later that day, and that could be something like jelqs worked hard at a high erect level for 20-25, 15-20, and 10-15 DONE! I just wind up and BANG! it’s over. I don’t have it in me to play with my dick all day or worry about wearing stretchers and contraptions when I can just get smart about PE and work my ass off, rest, and grow.

Probably the most important update I’ve found recently was to stretch lightly and do a few sets of wet jelqs on my off days, maybe 2-3 sets of 20-25 wet jelqs and stretches however I feel comfortable with. It’s just like how you’re supposed to stretch and work the lactic acid out of your muscles the day after you go to the gym, and even later that day. So I will do something like this the day after either all at once or three sets of whatever throughout the day. As for supplements, FUCK SUPPLEMENTS! I know there are some things that can help you, but really too many people are putting all of their hopes in a bottle of miracle pills when they need learn how to do it naturally first. I would say the first five years of PE should be dedicated to just manual exercises, and even physical fitness and diet. If you still haven’t met your goal by then and gained a good inch or two, then you can have at it with devices. And don’t take my instructions as something written in stone, you can still play around with your tool of choice, but you need to learn manual exercises for when you absolutely cannot have that stuff with you. When I was in the Navy, dry jelqs and stretches were all I had in bootcamp, and when I was on the submarine I used to smuggle in a small bottle of lube and do wet jelqs in the head around lunch time or before bed on duty days. Shit if I went to prison, God forbid, I would still find a way to PE no matter what… Steal a butter packet for lube or something, maybe make stretchers out of garbage bags filled with water and old t-shirts and pillow cases.

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TheGreatDivide, great advice! Thanks

I am following the same philosophy, and so far

So good. No sense in beating up your dick. One trick I found really helped was the heat warm up, I started to slow down, so instead of ramping up numbers I increased the warm up time to 8 min. That allowed me to get really good stretches. Did another rewarm for 3 min before the girth work and got super expansion. Seems to really be helping without ramping up the intensity. Still on the newbie routine here, my plan is to stay on it for quite awhile. :-)

Every awesome practitioner has an extremely personalized routine.

A great PE’er has hard wood, steady gains, emotional perspective. I threw in the first and last ones, but don’t really care about them as much…. I certainly push it to the limit, and for me my length, EQ, and girth are finally making big boy strides because I am a relentless forcer of tissue. And how can you not kegal while pumping, it seems to flow naturally.

The extender is practically a robot. it only cares about pure numbers to work on your tissue. As your tissues and PC muscles toughen up, you can handle more work while mantaining EQ And I think heat is necessary for this game, seriously.

I mean hell, I’m about to go pull on my dick, then pump. I had an absolutely killer erection this afternoon, but now it’s time to work and I don’t ask my dick permission. Daily traction/expansion adds up a hell of a lot quicker than the weekly version.

You wouldn’t grow your ears with those crazy earrings in a super gradual way, right? Those ear lobes on those Goth skater crazies are absolutely forced, yet not necrotic and decayed. Traction is at work, the tissue is completely changed in size and appearance, but still healthy in terms of cell conditions throughout the organ system. Just like the extender, the devices expand in size as you add rods/ change diameter earrings, so you can initially safely wear the device for hours at a time. You are unleashing some sort of traction growth capacity in the human body, just happens to be your cock, every day is now Christmas!

I really want to bet on the results of extender studies, but they are all published already. Strangely the longer the men wore extenders, the longer the men. (horizontally). A similar phenomenon probably exists regarding manual stretching.

Done safely, more is more of course. At eight damn inches I imagine it’s less urgent. Even I can really appreciate where I am now and do actually try to screw hotties now.

Great advice as usual GD!!!

That all sounds fine and dandy at first glimpse, but there’s several errors in your logic I have to address.

For newbies and guys who’ve had less than 2 years, you’re gains are going to stack on no matter what you do. After the first initial gains due to circulation and improved nerve pathways, you can expect to grow for a good 6-8 months pulling your penis daily stretching it like taffy. That’s probably the only time of your PE career where “more is more”, but after that your body is going to start fighting back and your gains are going to diminish.

This is what I’m talking about with the “Less Is More” philosophy, this isn’t dealing with newbie and advanced newbie gains where you can practically dream about having a huge swinging cock and gain .25” in a month. This is dealing with the 5-10yr vets who despite doing everything right can’t grow for years. That’s why we have different rules for growth, and the less time spent PE’ing allows for more rest and recovery, something every gungho newbie scoffs at until they’re forced to take a break.

When I tell you I’ve spent years doing everything wrong, guess what I’M NOT KIDDING. I literally did 2,000 wet jelqs every night for a while, pumped at 15-20”hg until my cock was on fire, did thousands of kegels everyday with days spent doing 6,000+ trying to catch up. I hung over with over 40lbs, tore my frenum with a noose knot and my own body weight for resistance with hanging. I took jar after jar of magic Chinese penis pills, downed lots of nasty sour L-Arginine, and wore everything from a homemade stretcher I made from parts found at Home Depot to the stupid Divocup thing. I have some experience with what I’m talking about here. It’s been 11yrs now.

The thing about the ear gauging, I get what you’re trying to say…. But having known quite a few people who did this and gauging my own tongue ring out, it’s not a quick jump from one size to the next like you might think. You have to stick with one size until it feels like normal, then start tugging on it a little each day, then move up to the next smallest size or half size. In the world of PE this means stick with one thing until you’re no longer gaining, and then finding a way to make that exercise or that program slightly harder. Don’t make the mistake of thinking you can sprinkle in extra exercises, because a lot of the times redundant things like dry jelqs and wet jelqs work the same and end up hurting you.

So the solution is to either increase the intensity, time, or decrease rest to make it harder for you. What I’m advising here the the “Less is more” is just taking time out of the equation and working with higher intensity(built up over time) and harder exercises in a way so that you don’t have to force yourself to PE and you don’t have to worry about your PE being interrupted by life, because your wife, work, and kids should always come first. You’re penis will always be with you. And I hold the same philosophy for my workouts here too. I train in very little time, with very little equipment, take in very little protein(compared to that the magazines tell you), and take very little supplements. But I work my ass off with PE and bodybuilding, I train smart with what little I choose to have, I make no excuses, and I grow like I did around puberty.

Yeah, I notice this with hanging.

I can hang as much and as long as I want, if I don’t check all the boxes it’s for nothing. Enough heat, the angle, perfect wrap, right amount of weight and the attachment point are crucial. I’ve had to start from scratch plenty of times to get things right.

One, maybe two good sets a day is all I need.

I’m going to err on the side of caution and advise you to go with two sets.

There are ways you can make 10lbs hanging feel like a lot more.

After the initial conditioning I went up to about 6 kg over the course of a few months. At one point, while attaching weight, I felt that odd stretch with only 2 kg and knew that was the stretch and fatigue I was looking for. Much trial and error after that but 2 to 3 kg is all I need to get a stretch.

Almost like the learning process is what requires the bulk of time, and the actual PE.

TGD you said in your first post that you read medical books and that’s what informed the approach you outline here.

So what did you read ? How about some specifics ?

Just going off of memory, because I’m feeling too lazy this morning to directly quote the studies. A few of my favorites were the studies on Viagra given to pigs after high fat and low fat meals, fasting results on testosterone, the study where scientists stretched a birds wing and it gained size after a few weeks, the mice that gained size in a high pressure glass cage(basically, ADS), the studies on stretching ligaments before vs after exercise, a lot of bodybuilding specific and Olympian training studies involving time under tension and certain set rep schemes, a few really good bodybuilding books from this the past 10-15 years (I looked up the studies sited there too, I was especially interested in the role of high fat diets, sex, and testosterone.)

Then of course there’s studies done on tourniquet training (ballooning), tabata (of course), caffeine effects on the prostate, some studies done on masturbation, the cooledge effect, just to name a few. However, my biggest inspiration comes from whatever I can find about studies done on prisoners. I mean these guys eat a diet comprised of the shittiest food totaling about 2600 calories, 85g protein, 540g carbs, 30g fat, without extra food bought at the galley. The make do with whatever calisthenics they learn, make homemade weights, and gain because the effect of lower protein needed in well trained individuals. I’m reading a few books as I type this.

One thing I have to point out is that no medical study should be cited as definitive proof of anything. They’re more like puzzle pieces you have to fit together to form theories, and theories are not always correct. What I did find that I can safely stand behind is the “Less is More” based off of learning how your body heals first, and then slowly increasing things depending on how you heal. Btw, in the future, say next year, I’m going to experiment with and write about weightless hanging using a cord attached to something like a door handle and manipulation of body weight angles.

So what exactly is your PE routine man? I do agree with you. I usually do 15 very slow dry style jelqs in the shower followed by manual clamp/ squeezes and my dick gets huge! Whole thing takes like 20 min and im done. Dick is really fat most of the day. Just curious about your exact routine. You have a pic?

It’s an ABA BAB format, done every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Starting one the first Monday, that’s day one A, then B on Wednesday, and A again on Friday. The Next weeks it’s completely flipped with B on Monday, A on Wednesday, and B again on Friday, then the cycle repeats. My A workout is head jelqs, done with progressively harder hand grips, and anywhere between 2-5 warm up sets. I usually do 25 light head jelqs, then a slightly harder 20, etc down to 15 or 10, then I start my work set. I do three drop sets of about 15-30, then half of that 20-30 seconds later, then half of that 10-20 seconds later. Just today I did 5 warm up sets just to “feel” the exercise and warm up, then 15, 8, 4, all done increasingly slow and stopping at failure. Yes I did get a small bruise on one side, but that will be gone by tomorrow. The other part of that is stretching HARD. I did 60sec, 30sec, 20sec, and finally 3 sets of 30 wet jelqs which is it for the day. The B workout for me is something I put together with erect kegels done ballooning until I’m erect ad then held with a super tight kegel until my erection subsides. Last Friday I managed to do 60sec, 30, set, and 20 sec. The immediately after that I did hard and slow wet jelqs done for 25, 15, and 10. Finally, later on in the day I did 3 sets of 25 super light wet jelqs to help with healing. And I’ll change the intensity from time to time depending on how I feel. It’s only been lately that I could handle super hard work, maybe later I’ll lighten up. And then futher down the line I’m going to employ the use of tools, but right now it’s all about working with manual PE hard and not using anything I’m not ready for, well I could handle it but I wanted to see how I would do without.