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During this deconditioning break - which is also convenient as it comes during a hectic time for me - I’ve been squeezing in a lot of study of my PE records as well as popping in and out of the forum.

Coming off my BFS Theory, while the wood is still burning, I thought I’d put forth a concept: Tissue Increase Threshold Time.
Not the best summation, but I like any acronym which conjures up an image of a woman’s breast. :)

This concept states that anybody can gain length from stretching. Anybody. Those who persistently claim that they’ve gotten nothing from stretching are simply not approaching their threshold times. I believe that claim is 100% accurate. And this became clear even to me (who always bemoans his length efforts) after close scrutiny of some old Excel sheets.

As somebody who always hated stretching, but suspected its importance, I decided to make an Excel sheet that tallied up my stretch times daily, weekly, monthly. I was not counting “total workout time,” of course, but only “time under load” (monitored with a stopwatch). I also broke down the time by tunica- and lig-specific stretching. I figured that I could make a competition of it, and constantly push myself to “ride the numbers” - watching the daily tallies add up with .xls formula functions. And in this way, I distracted myself from the monontony and tedium of stretching.

What became clear is that my length gains didn’t kick back in (after the newbie period ended) until my stretch times went way up. Forget that “5 minutes per day 5 days per week” shit. And after a brief lull, the gains kicked in. For example, in one 10-day period, I gained nearly 6mm EL. That’s almost 1/4” in only 10 days. That included 242.5 minutes of “time under load” (4.04 hours of actual stretch time in 10 days). The break down was: tunica, 192.66 minutes; ligs, 49.84 minutes. That’s a lot of time, but that 1/4” wasn’t flaccid stretch, it was erect length. That also broke down to 24.25 minutes of time under load, every day, for 10 days to nail 1/4” EL. I don’t know what the hell I was thinking, but I abruptly quit that schedule and believed that I could up the jelq time and minimize the stretch time.


The drawbacks, of course, were tired & aching hands as well as a beat-up dick (especially tender was my coronal ridge). I got away from stretching for a while and mostly jelqed (usually dry jelq), which pushed my girth up more. I went back to a hectic stretch schedule and ended up gaining nearly 1/2” EL. But then I quit because of the hand & cock abuse involved.

I’ll be resuming that schedule when I return.

A key concept, I believe, is the preliminary relaxation phase. Depending on the room temperature and probably divers other physiological factors, this generally took me anywhere from 6-9 minutes of time under load. That is the time when my BPFSL really relaxed and stretched out. Only then does stretching become really effective. Sort of like working out a muscle after it’s been properly warmed up. This is why I believe that most guys who only stretch for 5-10 minutes don’t get shit from it. Or why pisspulls are essentially worthless. How could tugging on your cock for 10 seconds possibly promote measurable length gains?

I know that many newbies made excellent gains from jelqing & only 5-10 minutes of stretching, but the term “newbie” cancels that out. Newbies can make gains on almost any type of routine - not only with PE, but with weight training and most other physical/body-related endeavors. Show me a vet with 2-3 years under their belt still making gains with 5-10 minutes of stretching. Look how much time hangers spend under load. But I believe that time could be greatly curtailed by strategic deconditioning breaks. Also, manual stretching does allow you to focus stress with a precision that can’t be approached by bolting on a hanger. Also, V-Stretches & other Dual Fulcrum stretching really boosts the benefits with manuals.

I’ll be monitoring my BFS to determine when to resume active PE. And when I do, I’ll begin with erect jelqs every other day, and daily stretching of 20 minutes under load - adding 5 minutes to my daily totals ever 7-10 days. I’m sure I’ll smash through the 8-inch barrier.

Best of luck with your efforts.

- w a d

Wadzilla, you’re a bad ass, hardcore number cruncher. I think you really are trying chase down Bib’s legacy.

Originally Posted by LongEnough
Wadzilla, you’re a bad ass, hardcore number cruncher. I think you really are trying chase down Bib’s legacy.

I doubt that anyone will ever do for PE what Bib did. His encyclopedic knowledge of hanging must’ve clearly been first-hand. And his writings were so concise & informative.

It’s a shame he migrated to the “dark side.”

Originally Posted by wadzilla
It’s a shame he migrated to the “dark side.”

you can’t really blame him.

On topic. Great theory. Makes perfect sense in a evolution Darwin perspective.

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Wadzilla a very inspiring write-up. I hope your theory rings true, it has got me fired up and ready to gain. I hope hanging turns out better than manual stretching right now though since I am doing two hours plus a day everyday right now. It generally takes me about 3.5 hours from start to finish, it has do do something. Bib is still a legend and a great guy no matter where he is at.


All change is not growth, as all movement is not forward.

Wad, your concepts are all very good. I am sure with fine tuning and some time, you’ll discover something amazing for all of us. Thank you and keep up the awesome work.

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As a confirmed hard gainer, I’m under a 90 minute “under load” schedule until the end of the year. I’m going big with hanging and stretching under heat. I should easily be over my T.I.T.T. If I don’t get to sore to continue I should show some sort of gain…Interesting idea. Lets see if it works….Stay tuned….

Start 030104 EBPL: 6.25" EG : 5.6" Mid LOT : 7:30 GOAL: 0.25 in any direction...."I'm not picky"- length would be nice "GIVE ME A %&#'N INCH OR GIVE ME DEATH"

I have to say that T.i.t.t has been on my mind more than (a) LOT lately.

The way I see it, the dick must be pretty fuckin amazing space age material if one can apply force on it for a long period of time and it doesn’t stretch.

It is similar to sandstorms or waterfalls weathering a rock; it may take a long time, but the results can be devastating.

T.I.T.T I like it alot. This is great information!

Question: Wadzilla- During each of your stretching sessions, are you still doing the 3:1 ratio of tunica vs. ligs stretching, or do you concentrate on only one of these each day?? Also, if you do both each day, do you do one before the other?? Hope you don’t mind me picking your brain:)

Again, this is good news, I actually had the best stretching session I’ve ever had after reading this post.

I state my contention with 100% confidence (call it “arrogance” if you’d like :) ). But, if you do a good hot wrap, pull with enough force, and reach your personal time threshholds - you cannot *not* gain. As penflex suggested, our cocks are not some extra-terrestrial miracle matter that can withstand any and all tension and not be subject to the rules of deformable solids (or whatever physics shit applies to this, lol).

I’m pullin’ for ya bro - pun intended. But that’s the approach, man. You have to find YOUR threshhold times - and beat it into the ground. Length is a different animal than girth; it’s virtually impossible to stretch too much. Keep the heat therapy and log those hours. Also try angles. I found dual fulcrum stretches, a la RB, give a mean stretch.

My theory behind top-loading the tunica work was based on several factors: (1) My LOT wasn’t the most fortuitous, therefore I didn’t have a whole lot of lig length to pull out, (2) The tunica is the toughest to lengthen, yet also holds the most promise of significant gains, (3) With most types of stretching, you do hit both - I say “most types” because if you’re gripping high up the shaft, near the head, and pulling straight up you’re virtually eliminating all lig affect. Likewise, if you’re using a full-dicked grab and pulling straight down, you’re getting basically no tunica work at all.

So, having a low LOT and recognizing the importance and difficulty of tunica gains, I prioritized tunica - but did not neglect ligs. Some guys swear by targeting only 1 - ligs or tunica - per workout. I don’t denigrate that theory, I just don’t subscribe to it. I made solid EL gains by hitting both.

I’d hit the tunica first, when my hands were fresh & my dick not too beat up, then went to ligs to finish the session. It worked well for me. Yes, I still will keep that ratio (based on my LOT & my experiences).

One more point: keep meticulous records. Had I not, I never would’ve remembered the solid gains I made when hitting my threshhold times (all I would’ve remembered is how much I hated doing those workouts, making my hands ache & beating up my dick). It’s amazing how the memory plays tricks on us.

How about being under load for 6-8 hours a day with the Penimaster at MAXIMUM stretch?

Originally Posted by n2growing
. It generally takes me about 3.5 hours from start to finish, it has do do something. Bib is still a legend and a great guy no matter where he is at.


Wow that is a lot of time to spend on PE. I would expect to have a 2 foot dick if I devoted that much time. :)

I think my next step is to go from 3 x 20 minutes in the bib hanger to 6 x 20 minute bib hanger sessions. That is heated stretching including 10 minute breaks in between often heated as well.

I just started doing 10 pounds, granted I am still fluctuating between 5 pounds/7.5/and 10 pounds depending on the session. One of the first times I hung 10 pounds for oh say 15 minutes my flaccid hang was about 1/2 inch longer than normal and looked impressive.

Its funny tho’ b/c my dick on say session 1 of 3 can take 7.5 pounds, then on session 2, 5 pounds and then session 3 10 pounds. 7.5 pounds seems to be the sweet spot, but as I feel I am also a hard gainer I believe the 10 pound sessions will increase my length the fastest and most effecitively.

Keep up the good work WAD.

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