So the ethical question ultimately, to my mind, is whether we think penis enlargement an important enough goal to justify taking considerable risks vis-a-vis one’s permanent penile health as a legitimate topic of discussion — or whether we think that men contemplating such risks would best be served by some counseling for body dysmorphic disorder.
Very thoughtful and intelligent post PG, and very important too. You raise a number of good questions. But I’m inclined to think that the ultimate ethical question you articulate above has already been answered by us here at Thunder’s. PE surgery will continue to be discussed even if we should decide against a dedicated forum for it. Again, look at the popularity of 8-Ball’s thread. Also consider all the appreciation that has been expressed toward 8-Ball for his efforts and for his honesty in documenting his experience for us. The people who comprise this place, including 8-Ball, are not going to change suddenly just because we have a new forum (other than the new members we would get otherwise). Therefore, the various attitudes toward PE surgery will stay the same. A surgery forum should be a place where those who don’t like the idea of PE surgery can say so, and can say why they don’t like it. This is not only acceptable, it is a good thing, as long as there are no improper comments or attacks. So of course it is a “legitimate” topic of discussion. And the very debate occurring in this thread is further evidence of the weight and importance of the topic. This is why I think it should have a dedicated forum. In this respect, PE surgery is not at all like, say, clamping.
One such empirical issue that I haven’t discussed here, for example, is whether a surgical forum would simply provide a venue for accurate information dispensation (as an alternative to the surgeons’ sites), or whether it may have an additional effect of “recruiting” more men to look into surgery who otherwise wouldn’t.
Again, a good question. But I just don’t see how the label “Surgery Forum” in and of itself would act as an inducement to have the surgery. Otherwise, to repeat what I said above, I don’t think the content of the posts in this forum would be any different than what we already have here at Thunder’s. You’ll get some people saying, “Hey, this is interesting. I think I might give it a try. Thanks for the info.” You’ll get others saying, “Not me. Never. What a dumb idea.” And you’ll get every point in between as well. If discussing this topic openly and objectively causes some men to look into the surgery who would not have done so otherwise, then we have already established them on this course, and we will continue to do so even without a dedicated forum for surgery. For, to make the point yet again, PE surgery is already discussed here, and it will continue to be discussed here.
I also cannot stress enough how important I believe providing “a venue for accurate information dispensation” is for those who are contemplating the surgery, to any extent. Let’s not pretend that we can just stick our heads in the ground on this topic. Men know about the PE surgery. In fact, there are probably a lot more men who know about the surgery than there are men who know about the kind of “natural” dick tricks we practice here. The surgeons have money and advertise. We don’t. Personally, I have learned more about the PE surgery from this place—and in particular from 8-Ball’s thread—than I have anywhere else. I mean, way more. And what I’ve learned has not cause me to think that the surgery is any less risky than what I was inclined to believe before. If anything, the opposite is the case. Look at how 8-Ball has documented the specifics of his girth procedure: Should he use the Aloderm or the graphs (or whatever they are called)? He’s provided photos of the scar that resulted from the choice he made. And he’s made clear that, in hindsight, he might choose differently. Such information is beyond priceless for someone who is considering the procedure. It might even cause him to give non-surgical methods one last try—or definitely to try them, if he hasn’t already. For me, the ultimate ethical issue is that this information could save someone a lot of pain and frustration, as he learns from those who have gone before him, as it were. At the very least, it will give people a realistic picture of what to expect.
Let me try to articulate a bit more fully why I don’t really understand the opposition to a separate surgery forum. Presumably, those who are against the surgery are against it because they think it is unjustifiably risky. Fine. This is a perfectly reasonable position. But it could be argued that those who think the surgery is unjustifiably risky should be the most interested in a dedicated forum for the topic. That way, there is a specific venue for making this unjustifiable risk clear. Put otherwise, I’m not supporting the forum because I think the surgery is a good idea. I’m supporting the forum simply because I think the topic of PE surgery is important and complex enough to merit this kind of discussion. It may be that such a forum will discourage a lot more men away from surgery who were considering it than it will recruit those who were not considering it. No doubt, this will depend on what an ongoing discussion about PE surgery reveals about the risks verses the rewards. Whether you are for or against the surgery, this is a discussion you should be interested in. And you never know, this discussion might cause you to change your thinking on the subject—it might make you against the surgery, where once you were for it; or it might make you for it, where once you vigorously opposed it. Debate has that kind of power.