Surgery Forum?

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You make excellent points, except the part about “everyone here”…I can’t believe you’re still subject to that mistake….

I honestly don’t see how it could be a waste of time/space for many! If you don’t want to learn about surgery, then don’t go to the forum, simple. I think it would be a nice feature and set TP apart from other forums which do not have a surgery section. Isn’t TP about gathering knowledge and making informed decisions. As far as people possibly getting emotional about the surgery forum I have a great solution. Don’t visit the forum. How simple is that?

I am starting to think that those who actively oppose the creation of the surgery forum are jealous in some way of those who have the financial means and balls to get the surgery done.

Also it could be the envy of those who did not have to work as hard for their gains.

Not sure I follow you about “I can’t believe you’re still subject to that mistake …” What does this mean?

“that mistake” is refering to something as applying to “everyone here”.

Regarding my quote: “I think the point of such a forum would be to provide insight into something that everyone here has probably wondered about and investigated independently.”

I think the key words are ”.. has probably ..”. This sentence insinuates that anyone who would be the type to invest the energy/time/money to grow their dicks bigger (as we have) would PROBABLY be the type who has at least wondered about and investigated about this subject. Try not to take things so literal - I’m certainly not trying to speak for everyone here.

You still haven’t explained your “I can’t believe you’re still subject to that mistake” sentence. Sounds a bit underhanded. Care to explain?

You still haven’t explained your “I can’t believe you’re still subject to that mistake” sentence. Sounds a bit underhanded. Care to explain?

“that mistake” is refering to something as applying to “everyone here”.

I am starting to think that those who actively oppose the creation of the surgery forum are jealous in some way of those who have the financial means and balls to get the surgery done. Also it could be the envy of those who did not have to work as hard for their gains.

“I can’t believe you’re still subject to that mistake” - sounds like you’re holding onto a disagreement from the past. :)

Not at all. My perception is that you are a sufficiently skilled logician and linguist so as to not (still) be subject to making such a relatively unsophisticated mistake of logic and linguistics (as I thought you were). As we’ve now established with the “has probably” discussion, I was right, although only by the thread of a somewhat clumsy juxtaposition of absolute (everyone) and relative (probably) terms. Will there be anything else?

I voted “Yes! I think this is very important” because it clearly is important, regardless of one’s opinion about the surgery. Men are going to have the surgery. Therefore, a dedicated forum that offered detailed and objective information on the surgery would be an enormous benefit to them. Bottom line. There is a separate hanging forum and a separate pumping forum. The surgery is a sufficiently significant and complex form of PE that it should also have a separate forum.

It is not true that this is a place of manual or natural methods, not surgical. Every time this is suggested, I go back and check the title of this forum: “Thunder’s Place Free PE Forums.” Nothing in this name suggests a bias against any one form of PE.

Further, surgery has and always will be discussed here, along with other methods. Look at the response to 8-Ball’s thread. Certain people might not be interested in the surgery, or they might think it dangerous. But the same is true of hanging and pumping. There are some men here who simply refuse to hang weights from their dicks or to subject them to any amount of vacuum pressure. To each their own. Those who are not interested in the surgery can simply choose to ignore a forum dedicated to it.

Thirdly, these notions of “manual” and “natural” are misleading, and even wrong. What is natural about using a pump or a clamp and weights? They are both technical devices made by human beings. That is, they are artifactual, not natural. Nor are they manual in any significant sense. Yes, you use your hands to attach the clamp and the weights, and to operate the pump. But then, you also use your hands to do these and similar things post-surgery. The only PE methods that could legitimately be called “natural” and “manual” are jelqing and squeezing and stretching—with the hands only, no devices. But we are well beyond these simple procedures here at Thunder’s. Also, many guys here now take Viagra and Cialis for recreational use, and even to assist them with their PE. This is as medical as you can get. Nothing natural or even manual here, except that you have to use your hands to take the stuff.

As 8-Ball expressed, surgery is not the “quick” or “easy” or “instant” way to a larger cock. It just isn’t. This is particularly true of the lengthening procedure, which requires months of hanging or stretching post-op. In my opinion, the lengthening procedure is really nothing more than an aid to hanging and related exercises, an aid that may be beneficial to those who have found it difficult or impossible to gain length by hanging, etc., alone.

As far as “disappointment,” “pain,” and “unfulfilled dreams” go, just consider the experience of many here with our “natural” and “manual” methods of PE. Lots of injuries, and pain. Lots of hard-gainers, and disappointment and unfulfilled dreams. No method is exempt from risk, and no method guarantees success. Surgery is not unique in this respect.

Forgive me, but this is really silly. “Free” here means that one doesn’t have to pay to be a member, to have access to the information and discussions available here. It doesn’t mean that the methods themselves are free. A lot of guys here spend quite a bit of money on equipment for PE.