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Surgery Forum?

View Poll Results:

Would you like a Surgery Forum added to Thundersplace?

YES! I think this is very important

3636.00%

Yes, I think it is somewhat important

1919.00%

I don’t actively desire one, but am not opposed to the idea

2727.00%

No, I am actively against the idea

1818.00%
Total Votes: 100. You may not vote on this poll

Originally Posted by xenolith

24-

You make excellent points, except the part about “everyone here”…I can’t believe you’re still subject to that mistake….

Not sure I follow you about “I can’t believe you’re still subject to that mistake …” What does this mean?

Originally Posted by Philadelph

I honestly don’t see how it could be a waste of time/space for many! If you don’t want to learn about surgery, then don’t go to the forum, simple. I think it would be a nice feature and set TP apart from other forums which do not have a surgery section. Isn’t TP about gathering knowledge and making informed decisions. As far as people possibly getting emotional about the surgery forum I have a great solution. Don’t visit the forum. How simple is that?

Very simple indeed. And the course of I action that I’ll take in a surgical PE forum at Thunder’s Place world, rest assured. I can tell we’ll both be happier that way.

Originally Posted by Philadelph

I am starting to think that those who actively oppose the creation of the surgery forum are jealous in some way of those who have the financial means and balls to get the surgery done.

I hope this is as laughable to others as it is to me. Some people don’t like surgery. Some people care more about the process of (natural) PE than the result of PE. Some people wouldn’t do it if they were PAID to do it. Just for some perspective Philly.

Originally Posted by Philadelph

Also it could be the envy of those who did not have to work as hard for their gains.

What color is the sky in your world?


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

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Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama


Last edited by xenolith : 10-10-2005 at .

Originally Posted by 24 Hours

Not sure I follow you about “I can’t believe you’re still subject to that mistake …” What does this mean?

“that mistake” is refering to something as applying to “everyone here”.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by xenolith
“that mistake” is refering to something as applying to “everyone here”.


Regarding my quote: “I think the point of such a forum would be to provide insight into something that everyone here has probably wondered about and investigated independently.”

I think the key words are ”.. has probably ..”. This sentence insinuates that anyone who would be the type to invest the energy/time/money to grow their dicks bigger (as we have) would PROBABLY be the type who has at least wondered about and investigated about this subject. Try not to take things so literal - I’m certainly not trying to speak for everyone here.

You still haven’t explained your “I can’t believe you’re still subject to that mistake” sentence. Sounds a bit underhanded. Care to explain?

Originally Posted by 24 Hours
Regarding my quote: “I think the point of such a forum would be to provide insight into something that everyone here has probably wondered about and investigated independently.”

I think the key words are ”.. has probably ..”. This sentence insinuates that anyone who would be the type to invest the energy/time/money to grow their dicks bigger (as we have) would PROBABLY be the type who has at least wondered about and investigated about this subject. Try not to take things so literal - I’m certainly not trying to speak for everyone here.

You still haven’t explained your “I can’t believe you’re still subject to that mistake” sentence. Sounds a bit underhanded. Care to explain?


Sorry 24, I got lost in the “everyone…probably” juxtaposition…FWIW, I think it could have been better said “I think the point of such a forum would be to provide insight into something that (most, some, many, etc.) here (have) wondered about and investigated independently.” I don’t think I would’ve had difficulty with that statement. But I stand corrected…I missed “has probably”. I apologize.

Originally Posted by 24 Hours
You still haven’t explained your “I can’t believe you’re still subject to that mistake” sentence. Sounds a bit underhanded. Care to explain?


Didn’t I just do that?

Originally Posted by xenolith
“that mistake” is refering to something as applying to “everyone here”.


Let me try again.
I can’t believe that you’re subject to the mistake of referring to something as applying to “everyone here”. As you will no doubt have noticed, I misunderstood what you were saying, so the question in question is no longer relevant is it?

Look, I’ve got better things to do, so I’ll be saying good bye to posting in this thread now. I simply wanted to register my opinion. I’ve done that. I hope that the highest good is served. I’m just not sure that this proposed forum is consistent with the highest good for Thunder’s Place. However, I’ll lurk and read what others have to say about this…I am willing to suspend my belief in my pre-conceived notions in order to have a new pre-conceived notion :)

ciao

xeno


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

I think for someone who is considering surgery you can say it’s important he learns about the alternative natural penis enlargement. I don’t think you can say it’s important for someone who pe’s to learn more about surgery. With a surgery forum it would be like we support the ‘if all else fails you can get surgery’. I think it’s much better to have a motto like ‘if all else fails just be happy with what you got’. Most of the people who come here have enough insecurities as it is and they shouldn’t be confronted with a surgeryforum. It’s not motivating to know there’s an easy way out.

Just like the hangerforum practically advertises hanging so will a surgeryforum advertise surgery. For hanging there are several good free alternatives as opposed to the commercial hangers which can’t be said for surgery. Most important imo is that we can’t give good enough support to a surgeryforum. The people who have experience with it are just too few and it will attract ‘experts’ who have ulterior motives like discounts for another surgery or profits.

“I can’t believe you’re still subject to that mistake” - sounds like you’re holding onto a disagreement from the past. :)

Originally Posted by Philadelph
I am starting to think that those who actively oppose the creation of the surgery forum are jealous in some way of those who have the financial means and balls to get the surgery done. Also it could be the envy of those who did not have to work as hard for their gains.

Ahh… no. I’m quite happy with my 8 x 6.25 that I got as a result of a moderate amount of manual work. Jealousy or envy have nothing to do with my opposition. I’m opposed because, IMO, a surgery forum goes against the fundamental purpose of the web site.

Originally Posted by 24 Hours

“I can’t believe you’re still subject to that mistake” - sounds like you’re holding onto a disagreement from the past. :)

Not at all. My perception is that you are a sufficiently skilled logician and linguist so as to not (still) be subject to making such a relatively unsophisticated mistake of logic and linguistics (as I thought you were). As we’ve now established with the “has probably” discussion, I was right, although only by the thread of a somewhat clumsy juxtaposition of absolute (everyone) and relative (probably) terms. Will there be anything else?


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

On the house T :D


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by xenolith
Not at all. My perception is that you are a sufficiently skilled logician and linguist so as to not (still) be subject to making such a relatively unsophisticated mistake of logic and linguistics (as I thought you were). As we’ve now established with the “has probably” discussion, I was right, although only by the thread of a somewhat clumsy juxtaposition of absolute (everyone) and relative (probably) terms. Will there be anything else?


At the risk of kicking a dead horse :D , yeah there is something else:
The statement, “I can’t believe you’re still subject to that mistake”

This more or less implies that the mistake (you thought I made) is a mistake that you more or less feel I’ve been making in the past. I can’t seem to wrap my head around your use of the word: “still”. :D

Throw in a Big Mac with that .. :D

Your disbelief in my explanation is noted.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Please don’t note a disbelief in your explanation, but moreso a clarification was sought in your use of the word “still”. :D

Originally Posted by motivated
I voted “Yes! I think this is very important” because it clearly is important, regardless of one’s opinion about the surgery. Men are going to have the surgery. Therefore, a dedicated forum that offered detailed and objective information on the surgery would be an enormous benefit to them. Bottom line. There is a separate hanging forum and a separate pumping forum. The surgery is a sufficiently significant and complex form of PE that it should also have a separate forum.

It is not true that this is a place of manual or natural methods, not surgical. Every time this is suggested, I go back and check the title of this forum: “Thunder’s Place Free PE Forums.” Nothing in this name suggests a bias against any one form of PE.

Further, surgery has and always will be discussed here, along with other methods. Look at the response to 8-Ball’s thread. Certain people might not be interested in the surgery, or they might think it dangerous. But the same is true of hanging and pumping. There are some men here who simply refuse to hang weights from their dicks or to subject them to any amount of vacuum pressure. To each their own. Those who are not interested in the surgery can simply choose to ignore a forum dedicated to it.

Thirdly, these notions of “manual” and “natural” are misleading, and even wrong. What is natural about using a pump or a clamp and weights? They are both technical devices made by human beings. That is, they are artifactual, not natural. Nor are they manual in any significant sense. Yes, you use your hands to attach the clamp and the weights, and to operate the pump. But then, you also use your hands to do these and similar things post-surgery. The only PE methods that could legitimately be called “natural” and “manual” are jelqing and squeezing and stretching—with the hands only, no devices. But we are well beyond these simple procedures here at Thunder’s. Also, many guys here now take Viagra and Cialis for recreational use, and even to assist them with their PE. This is as medical as you can get. Nothing natural or even manual here, except that you have to use your hands to take the stuff.

As 8-Ball expressed, surgery is not the “quick” or “easy” or “instant” way to a larger cock. It just isn’t. This is particularly true of the lengthening procedure, which requires months of hanging or stretching post-op. In my opinion, the lengthening procedure is really nothing more than an aid to hanging and related exercises, an aid that may be beneficial to those who have found it difficult or impossible to gain length by hanging, etc., alone.

As far as “disappointment,” “pain,” and “unfulfilled dreams” go, just consider the experience of many here with our “natural” and “manual” methods of PE. Lots of injuries, and pain. Lots of hard-gainers, and disappointment and unfulfilled dreams. No method is exempt from risk, and no method guarantees success. Surgery is not unique in this respect.

Forgive me, but this is really silly. “Free” here means that one doesn’t have to pay to be a member, to have access to the information and discussions available here. It doesn’t mean that the methods themselves are free. A lot of guys here spend quite a bit of money on equipment for PE.

BRAVO. That was an incredible post. You pretty much said it all.

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