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stretching

Skinnee,

When I stretch, it seems that later the skin right below the head (front) is VERY dry and nearly bruised. It’s prone to flaking due to the excessive dryness. I am also worried about the grabbing of the head affecting sensitivity.

Unfortunately, I am most interested in length, but not interested in hanging or manual stretching (as I know it).

Originally Posted by skinneeD
Wad, did you happen to ask him when or how often he masturbated? Sometimes I like to masturbate after a workout, & I’m wondering if he did. It would be nice to get some more data to help end that old debate (whether masturbation helps or hinders gains, or has no effect).

I’m also wondering if morning workouts are a better idea than evening workouts.

Well, thanks for posting the workout, I’m proceeding with it as planned. The only thing I’m doing differently is wearing PEweights for a light all day stretch afterwards. I wonder if I should cut these out all together, but I dont see how they could hinder gains.


skinneeD,
No, we never discussed masturbation or sexual frequency - it was tough enough asking him about the PE, believe me. We never went there.
Personally, I don’t believe that masturbation really matters. In fact, if you do some edging with your jerk session, that may even help.
As for AM vs PM workouts, I believe that his selection of early morning was merely for convenience; in other words, arbitrary not strategic.

Originally Posted by wadzilla
Progression
He was very methodical about progression. Every 3 weeks or so, he would increase both his jelq time & his stretch time by about 2-3 minutes each.

This thread has really peaked my interest on some points and has me wanting to alter my routine.

It seems that consistent slow progression is an important key. Progression may can be eliminated from a routine and still gain, but I’m just about convinced now that it’s the way to go.

I’m thinking of first taking an extended break so I can reset for the progressive routine before I begin. Once I start, just one set a day—- consisting of heating, jelqing, and hanging—-7 days a week without missing. Progressing the jelqing time upward and the hanging weight upward (not the hanging time upward, since over 20 minutes cuts circulation down for too long) slowly over a very long period.

He was increasing his stretch time, while what I’m wanting to do is increase the force (besides, I don’t like ‘manual’ stretches and much prefer ‘automated’ hanging). I know this concept of increasing weight is nothing new. What I have in mind is to do this slowly over time and keep the pressure just moderate, so then perhaps the built up counter productive resistance spoken of won’t occur enough to impede my growth. I don’t want to stall for too long in jelqing time and hanging weight, so every two to three weeks I’ll be looking to increase each a bit. Combining this with heating and keeping the routine at one set 7x/week and I have a good feeling about seeing good results. I certainly want to give this a try.

Perhaps adding sets per day (increasing hanging time rather than moving up in weight) would get me better results, but I believe I’ve seen posts where that hasn’t worked for some PEers, and others it has. Even then the results haven’t been big gains I think. So I want to try something a bit different. Though I’m fairly sure others have likely done this also, I don’t recall reading any posts. I’m looking to create the long term fatigue you spoke of, rather than the immediate fatigue created by multiple sets that I wonder may be counter productive in the long term.

What do you think?

Originally Posted by beenthere
….He was increasing his stretch time, while what I’m wanting to do is increase the force (besides, I don’t like ‘manual’ stretches and much prefer ‘automated’ hanging). I know this concept of increasing weight is nothing new. What I have in mind is to do this slowly over time and keep the pressure just moderate, so then perhaps the built up counter productive resistance spoken of won’t occur enough to impede my growth. I don’t want to stall for too long in jelqing time and hanging weight, so every two to three weeks I’ll be looking to increase each a bit. Combining this with heating and keeping the routine at one set 7x/week and I have a good feeling about seeing good results. I certainly want to give this a try…..
What do you think?


been,
I’ve totally rethought my attitude on “intensity.” I no longer believe that pulling like a maniac will help length gains. In fact, I believe it’s counterproductive. When I pulled the hardest, I did get some quick gains (about 0.25” EL in a few weeks), but I quickly plateaued - big time.

I believe that very high intensity traction (be it stretching or hanging) tends to strengthen the tissues too much, too quickly. I now believe that’s why my “window of growth” was always slammed so quickly. That guy never pulled very hard, he just increased his stretch time. I know that stretching can be a drag, but there’s really no way to speed up the length gains. And, consider how those traction devices work - very low intensity over long periods of time.

As far as increasing your hanging weights, Bib said many times that you should only do this when you must. In other words, when the weight you’ve been using just doesn’t fatigue you anymore. As he said, hanging isn’t a weight lifting competition.

Well, as of Tues, Nov 15th, I’m on the program. I can’t guarantee I’ll do the warm up everytime (just being honest) but jelq then stretch in the mornings 7 days per week.that’s my commitment to myself.

Since length is my goal I’m jelqing for 15 to 20 min, clean up, then stretch straight out and straight up for 30 to 45 min, depending on time constraints for that particular day.

For the record, I now have read about 2 guys with 4” gains pulling straight out.it took both 4+ years. Thanks Wadzilla for bringing this, it’s the perfect program for me and it’s so logical.

I want the diploma and my wife wants to present it to me.oh yeah.


Ezekiel 23:20.women have always liked big cocks

Hey ocd - how are you with the routine?

Any other guy who tried it yet?


Started-Oct04: 5.7/4.8; Current 6.7/5.3

Learning even more about PE(nearly every day)

Changing routine, Current: jelqing, clamping, obends, kegel

Some great information there, man. Thanks. I am in a position to be able to do that kind of routine, and it’s actually pretty much my current routine anyway, only with jelqs first and with different technique (3 minute stretches, 3 second jelqs). I have always believed that a healthy lifestyle contributes to PE gains. My initial gain of 1 1/2” over the course of about a year no doubt benefited greatly from my regular cardio/weight training workouts and good nutrition at the time.


PE SMART - Quality is infinitely better than quantity. Monitor your progress. Make changes accordingly.

ttt

anybody with results from this routine?

Originally Posted by wadzilla
Well, here is the culmination of my discussions with the big gainer….

He is not currently active with PE, as he had gone many months with zero gains, then decided he had enough. He described his size as “9-9¼ inches long.” When I asked him about girth, he said, “near the end, I’m 6½ around.” I thought that was quite impressive and asked what his base girth was; but, to my surprise, he said “six.” So, he obviously developed a major baseball bat effect from his jelq-heavy approach. I told him that my girth measurements were his – only inverted.

His Approach
Each morning when he awoke, he would undress then go into the bathroom. He would then sit on the edge of the bathtub, with his feet in the tub, and proceed to do “several minutes” of hot wraps. As he sat near the faucet, he would reheat the rag as necessary.

Then he would apply lube (usually Vaseline), and proceed to his wet jelqs.
Afterwards, he would clean off then apply another “several minutes” of hot wraps before continuing with his workout [he explained that as his workout times began to sprawl, he eventually dropped this second hot wrap session, and only hot-wrapped at the beginning of each workout].

He would thoroughly dry off, then apply talcum powder and do his stretching. When I asked why he stretched after his “milking” (as he referred to jelqs), he said that when he tried to stretch before doing the jelqs, his unit became fatigued and he could not maintain proper inflation for jelqing for any extended period of time – so he jelqed first. He also explained that the combination of the hot wraps & jelqing really warmed up the tissues prior to stretching them.

After he finished stretching, he would remain seated on the edge of the tub and proceed to kegels. After he’d reach a certain count, he would hop into the shower and start his day.

He did this 7 days per week – without fail.
When his morning session eventually became too long (over an hour), he split his times in half – doing an AM & PM session each day: 14 per week. By the time those sessions sprawled to about 1 ¼ hours each, he was 9¼ x 6½.

His Workout
Wet jelqs….slow (he started at about 3 seconds per stroke, but as he gained length, the stroke times climbed to about 5 seconds each)….very moderate intensity (he stated several times that he never incurred even a minor injury doing this stuff). He alternated hands rhythmically, smoothly, never squeezed too hard.

Started at only about 50 jelqs per session. When his counts had (gradually) climbed up over 300 or 400, he found counting the reps too tedious. By then, he had an accurate idea about the rep-time relationship, so he started to simply time the jelq sessions.
He never jelqed erect, but tried to keep his inflation at about ¾ woody.

Stretching….never pulled very vigorously….held each stretch rather long (usually 3 minutes or more)….started with about 5 minutes worth of stretching….later added rotary stretches after his standard stretches…usually pulled straight out and also straight up….never did downward stretching.

Kegels….did a large kegel workout at the end of each session – usually quick squeezes & releases….but also kegeled throughout the day.

Progression
He was very methodical about progression. Every 3 weeks or so, he would increase both his jelq time & his stretch time by about 2-3 minutes each.

Gains
When he first began, he gained 2” EL in less than a year (from 5” to 7”). He quit for a while (not sure, but it was between 1-2 years). When he resumed, after his divorce, he was still “about 7 inches,” but he “quickly got to eight.”
He continued plodding along, nonstop, even doing up to two 1¼ hour sessions daily, until he was 9-9 ¼ x 6 ½. He continued to PE for months, but was no longer gaining. He quit several months ago.

Lifestyle
Very active & health-conscious….in good shape….jogs & plays racquet ball.

Diet
No caffeine, no nicotine, no salt, no saturated fats or refined sugars. Very little alcohol. He also takes a multi-vitamin/mineral supplement daily, additional C (as an antioxidant), and he takes “a lot of ginseng.” Also drinks mineral water.

Overall impressions
His approach is very basic, no secret exercises or special formulas. In fact, he seems to know little about PE. He never pumped, hung weights, wore an ADS, a cock ring or a clamp. He never did erect work, never mentioned any type of dual-fulcrum stretching or bundled stretches, or deconditioning breaks, etc.

Hot wraps, wet jelqs, stretching, kegels – 7 days per week. And a slowly rising crescendo of volume – leading up to 2 daily sessions of 1+ hours each. Possibly augmented by plenty of cardio and a very strict diet. I figure that he’s probably done about 1 million jelqs and probably more than 1,000 hours of stretching time under load.

I think the key for him was cumulative fatigue – over a long period of time – but without any “trauma.” He gradually coaxed his gains, via a large amount of impaction, and his lifestyle & diet allowed those expanding tissues to keep healing & growing.

I think its a mistake when guys chase that “soreness” or fret about not feeling “fatigued” after a workout - whatever that means. I think the “fatigue” that really matters is that which is accumulated over many weeks & months, providing that the tissues are fully healing between sessions. I also suspect that his 2 daily sessions (which he started doing near the end) may have been too much, hence no more gains. Once his AM session exceeded 75 minutes, he should’ve (in my opinion) taken a few months off, then came back at only 20 minutes. I’ll bet the gains would’ve jumpstarted.

Anyway, that’s all there is.

Thanks for all that info Wad! Very informative.

I think I’m gonna change up my routine within the next 10 weeks - I like to change up every 16 weeks - & incorporate ‘Big Gainers’ routine. I’m inspired by the story due to the fact that your friend exclusively practices ‘manual PE’, I disagree with all these PE devices out there - each to his own I guess - it’s just not my thing.

I’m not saying that I’m going to gain as much as your friend, but I’ll give the routine a try just to see what the end results will be by the time November rolls round.

Thanks again Wad, for laying out the info for all us guys here.

- Lee Beast

Very nice thread.

Yeah it seems instead of adding to his workout a decon break would have been better


I haven't failed, I've found 10,000 ways that don't work. Thomas Edison (1847-1931)

Maybe the secret to this dude’s huge gains is that he jelqed before stretching rather than after like most people do. Now, suppose if you jelqed before and a light jelq session after, as well?


Small, but growing!

The name keeps me motivated.

smalldink, I jelq before stretching and have gone from what I remember as 5.5 length by 5 girth to 7.9-8. inches BPEL and 6.4+ EG.


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This thread was recommended to me and it was great help for general gains…Thought I’d bring it back to life maybe and share the wealth:)

I love it-marijuana helps…another reason to legalize the cheeba.


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