Smooth Muscle and PE
I have been thinking about this for a while. I was asked to start a thread on this , so we can kick it around a bit. Feel free to jump in and post any good info or just brainstorm with us.
I’m gonna open with some recent re-posts of mine from some other threads.
Originally Posted by spaghettidick
Sparky, until today I did not know what all this talk about REM erections cementing gains and whatnot. I say this because I took a nap today and woke up with enormous wood. I will describe the whole situation in my progress log.
I also have a thought that I believe for myself is definitely true, and probably for all other penises.
My thought is about the difference of erections, induced by no hand involvement (REM, when you see a hot girl, etc.), versus the edging and masterbating erections induced by hands.
I think the main reason edging and masterbating does take such a tool on our units is the stroking itself. Seriously.
The regular erections are healthy and definitely help gains, while the edging and spanking do not.
That’s the only difference, so it makes sense. I do have a theory about the parasympathetic nervous system relaxing the smooth muscle more efficiently when you are sleeping, which allows greater girth with less erectile pressure needed, therefore what appears as a thicker unit sometimes when you first wake up…but that’s for another thread…maybe.
Edging and spanking for some guys seems to be PI neutral, in that it doesn’t have negative effects. For some, they can’t do much at all without a negative impact…and everything in between.
The point of the Physiologic Approach (PIs) is that you can’t make hard and fast rules for everyone about stress applied to the penis, such as you can or can’t jack off…some can, some can’t. The point is, everyone must evaluate what it is doing to YOU!!!
For me, and many “hard gainers”, any stress is stress. Its kinda like dieting, ALL the calories count! So what I find is edging and the like is stressful to my unit, and adds to the NET stress load (think total “jelque or stress minutes”), WITHOUT adding any growth potential. So its like being on a 1000 calorie diet, but using those calories on junk food…not a good idea. You want to eat high quality food, or you will lose muscle and your health.
So, I think understanding this will help convert more “non gainers” into gainers if they understand that they are using up there “stress” capacity in non productive ways.
Originally Posted by remek
Now, two problems can throw this off a tad. 1) Are you really getting your maximum BPFSL? The penis can be stiff at times, sometimes stretching more than an inch less than the maximum BPFSL. 2) As sparkyx discovered in my favorite thread (PIs), overtraining leads to temporary ED. But overtraining isn’t the only thing that affects erection quality - drugs, your lifestyle, smoking, etc. can all affect the quality of your erections - making it a little harder for you to determine what to focus on.
We need to talk more, bro!
My current thinking on most “shrinkage” is smooth muscle contraction. I think that smooth muscle is the most reactive to stress, for what ever reason.
I first noticed this when I had over done PE, and took some Cialis to be ready for the wife that nite. Overtraining would cause the classic contraction, tissue stiffening, decreased EQ etc.
One of the effects of Cialis is relaxation of smooth muscle. When over trained, and I took it, one of the indicators it was working or I had taken an effective dose, was the reversal of the above noted symptoms.
From that, and some other observations, I believe that for most guys (short of connective tissue contraction…which is less easily reversed) the “shrinkage” is due to smooth muscle.
It is something that used to puzzle me when doing bpfsl. My first measurement or two was the longest, but the very act of a hard stretch would cause my smooth muscle to contract, and the measurements would get progressively shorter!
I also think this answers the mystery of the thicker girth from a sleeping erection. Sleep activates the parasympathetic system which in turn relaxes smooth muscle. I think this may be a more effective relaxation of smooth muscle than a waking erection, which will allow it to get girthier with less internal pressure, because the tension from smooth muscle is less. Its kind of like blowing up a stretched out balloon vs a newer tighter one.
From this I am wondering if maximum bpfsl is a good indicator that the smooth muscle has recovered completely and is ready for further stress? The problem with stressing connective tissue when the smooth muscle wants to hold it in a contracted state, is that it allows it to heal the micro tears in this contracted state and may be counter productive. Most guys report gains when they are also seeing heavy and long flaccid…clear indicator that the smooth muscle isn’t damaged to the point of contraction…which then allows the connective tissue to recover or heal in a more extended state, both length and girth.
I’m gonna stop now, because if I high jack this thread, I will have to send myself a nasty PM…and I don’t want to piss myself off!
That should get the ball rolling. Feel free to post opinions, speculation and ideally some scientific data on smooth muscle.
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