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Saiyan22 dropping a little science on how creep and plastic defomation works with PE

Hey guys. I have wrote this essay a long time ago back in August or September of 2009. The essay is based on little insight on my studies of stretch forces on human tissue. This information is the backbone of my current routine that lead to my recent gains.

In my opinion, what causes your dick to increase in size through PE is through plastic flow or deformation of the tunica or ligs. You see the spongy tissue inside the penis has the capacity to hold a lot of blood like a real sponge holding liquid. What sets the limit and puts a screeching halt to a man’s penis size is the tunica that surrounds the spongy tissue. If a man’s tunica has a large amount of sheer tissue mass and elasticity inside of his flaccid penis, this will result in a huge erection.

Before human tissue reaches plastic deformation, its elastic limit must be breeched and enter a zone called CREEP. Creep is completely time and load dependent and is a phase where the stretched tissue is completely relaxed and slowly creeps away from its elastic limit if the stress remains constant with heat. Once sufficient amounts of creep has been done to the tissue through continuous amounts of time under tension then the tissue enters the plastic deforming zone. Now keep this in mind. All of this is happening at a microscopic level. When the tissue deforms it then begins remodeling at a microscopic level to adapt and set its self to a new elastic limit..
Here is an example with someone who’s a clamper. Say you started out with a maximum clamped penis girth of 5 inches in circumference. That means with a clamp, 5 inches in circumference is your penis’s maximum elastic threshold girth wise. Now for your penis to increase beyond this point it most go through the process I was talking about earlier known as CREEP. Now lets say through creep your clamped penis after 4 fifteen minute sets swells to 5.5 inches without any fluid build up. This extra expansion was cause by CREEP which caused the penis to slowly creep in expansion beyond its elastic limit of 5 inches in girth. Now after so many hours, days, and months of expansion beyond the penis’s elastic limit from the CREEP phase, this will result in permanent deformation of the tissue. Now lets say after a couple of months your new 5.5 inches becomes your new unclamped girth. After four 15 minutes sets of clamping your clamped penis now expands to 5.8 inches This new level of girth because the penis was plastically deformed past its old elastic limit of 5 inches in girth to its new elastic limit which is now 5.5 inches in girth. So the idea is to repeat this cycle over and over for gains to accumulate. You keep slowly pushing beyond your elastic limit to the creep and plastic zone. Once your dick has plastically deformed to a new size then that new size becomes your dick’s new set elastic limit and you push beyond this again and again.

So to elaborate on CREEP a little more CREEP is basically temperary deformation of soft tissue from stretch forces placed on to it. CREEP is what soft tissue goes through before it hits plastic deformation. Say for example that your bone press flaccid stretch is 7 inches without any manipulation. Know lets say after 3 hours of hanging now your penis can stretch out to 7.3 inches. The reason for this is because of CREEP. The tissues in the penis slowly CREPT beyond its elastic limit from 7 inches to 7.3 inches during the 3 hours of hanging. CREEP however is not perminant and if no other hanging was done after that day then your new bone pressed flaccid stretch of 7.3 inches will go back down to 7 inches within a hour or two. After so many days, weeks or months of your penis constantley going into the CREEP phase hitting 7.3 inches stretched length from it’s orginal 7 inches stretched length, the tissues will eventually break through the CREEP phase into the plastic deformation phase. The plastic deformation phase is the main goal to reach and in my opinon is responsible for the size increase in one’s penis. But before plastic deformation takes place the tissues have to go through the CREEP phase and the quickiest way to hit CREEP aka termporary deformation is with constant heat applyied to the tissues.

The CREEP Phase is also a good reason why wearing an ADS after a PE session is so important. The ADS will keep the penis’s CREPT length in place while healing and cellular remodeling takes place increasing the chance of perminant deformation.

This is why I think it is better for guys that hang to not use there maximum weight on the first set. I know most people say to go to max weight then drop the weight an ride the fatigue like a reverse pyramid but I think its better to do a warm up or acclimation set to relax the tissues while hanging then use your max weight. What I mean by this is do warm up set under heat so the tissue of the tuncia and ligs can adapt and relax to go through the CREEP phase. Then once the warm up set or sets are done, then commence to you max weight.

Here is an example:

Let say your hanging workout is 10 sets of 20 mins hanging with the max weight being at 20lbs

You workout should go like this:

Warm up set 1: 5 pounds for 5 minutes
Warm up set 2: 12 pounds for 5 minutes

After these warm up sets are done to let the tissues relax and go into CREEP then do the real hanging sets, starting with your max weight of 20 lbs for ten 20 minutes sets and reduce the weight when necessary riding the fatigue as the 10 sets are done.

First 5 work sets: 20lbs for 20 mins
Next 3 work sets: 17lbs for 20 mins ( reduce weight riding fatigue)
Last 2 work sets: 14lbs for 20 mins ( more fatigue. Had to drop weight further)

The hanging example above was an example for someone who does there hanging all in one session.
For those like my self that hang through out the day then a 5 minute warmup with half of your max hanging weight should be done in the beginning of each main session to relax the tissues and initiate CREEP. So for my self I have three main hanging sessions a day. I do 3 hanging sets for my morning session, 2 hanging sets for my lunch break session and 3 hanging sets for my evening session. In the beginning of those three sessions I do a 5 minute warm up session hanging with half of my max weight.

I HAVE STUDIED A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE NATURE BEHIND STRETCHING HUMAN TISSUE BUT I THINK THIS WEBSITE IS A GOOD REFERENCE ON THE MATTER. HERE IS THE LINK TO IT BELOW.

http://books.google.com/books?id=snf…age&q=&f=false

Another good website is this one.
http://books.google.com/books?id=3pP…tissue&f=false

They explain in great detail about elasticity of human tissue, creep and plastic deformation.


(Starting size) (NBPEL: 8 Inches), (BPEL: 8.5 Inches) (BPFSL: Didn't measure then), (Midshaft Girth: 5.2 Inches), (Base Girth: 5.5 Inches)
(Current size) (NBPEL: 9.3 Inches), (BPEL: 9.7 Inches), (BPFSL: 10.3 Inches), (Midshaft Girth: 5.8 Inches), (Base Girth: 6.35 Inches)
(Final Goal) To be the next Mandingo LOL.

Banned.

that’s the way !!!

you can do some researsh on “stress/relaxation méthod”, and you have to know the cicatrization process.
Be carefull with clamp…

All looks pretty simple, which I didn’t expect from something sciencey. At least I understand for once. I would probably agree with this.

Except for hanging. If you do heavey sets first you get from 7inches to 7.3 and then for the later sets with a lower weight you’re keeping it at 7.3 right which is keeping it in the creep zone for a while.

Ehh what would your example be for clamping? I only clamp, no hanging. I tend to just do all sets the length and varying pressure.

Originally Posted by Audacia

Ehh what would your example be for clamping? I only clamp, no hanging. I tend to just do all sets the length and varying pressure.

If you talk to me ,I just told that reach plastic deformation zone with clamping is dangerous, you have to increase the size nearly 10% .

With clamping a good warmup would be jelqing for 5-10 minutes first then commensing with your clamp workout. Another good way of encouraging the tunica to relax is to clamp extremely light for 5 minutes while keeping engorgment going with kegels. After 5 minutes then you tighten the clamp to it’s usual workset settings for the real workout.

Check out the clamping example I have in the essay as well. Keep in mind that this essay is basically my opinion based on the research that I have done on stretching soft tissue. This princibles aren’t really anything new but I think it’s always good to remind our selves exactly what we are trying to accomplish which is to plastically deform the ligs and tunica to a greater level of sheer tissue mass and elasticity. The more tissue mass and elasticity that the tunica has, the more blood the tunica can hold upon erection which will result in a bigger erection.


(Starting size) (NBPEL: 8 Inches), (BPEL: 8.5 Inches) (BPFSL: Didn't measure then), (Midshaft Girth: 5.2 Inches), (Base Girth: 5.5 Inches)
(Current size) (NBPEL: 9.3 Inches), (BPEL: 9.7 Inches), (BPFSL: 10.3 Inches), (Midshaft Girth: 5.8 Inches), (Base Girth: 6.35 Inches)
(Final Goal) To be the next Mandingo LOL.

Banned.

I agree with the points in your essay. The thing that always confuses me is the rest and deconditioning part. It would seem to me that hanging followed by an ADS every day would be best. However I hear the other theories about having to take rest days and even long deconditioning breaks. It would seem like that would be counterproductive as on those days you would allow healing in a shorter state. I think breaks from clamping are necessary just so your EQ doesn’t dive.

What’s you feeling on hanging and ADS with regards to rest and deconditioning breaks?

Originally Posted by e211
I agree with the points in your essay. The thing that always confuses me is the rest and deconditioning part. It would seem to me that hanging followed by an ADS every day would be best. However I hear the other theories about having to take rest days and even long deconditioning breaks. It would seem like that would be counterproductive as on those days you would allow healing in a shorter state. I think breaks from clamping are necessary just so your EQ doesn’t dive.
What’s you feeling on hanging and ADS with regards to rest and deconditioning breaks?

Hangers like to hang with fatigue don’t they? But Generally with routines you take 2 days rest in a week to recover, especially with clamping if you can’t get hard.

The only need for deconditioning breaks are when you plateau, basically when you stop gaining you either do a harder routine or take a 3month or so break.

Originally Posted by Audacia
Except for hanging. If you do heavey sets first you get from 7inches to 7.3 and then for the later sets with a lower weight you’re keeping it at 7.3 right which is keeping it in the creep zone for a while.

Audacia,

This approach you suggested is not as simplistic as you might think. The reason being connective tissues demonstrate viscoelastic property as you probably know. Therefore, connective tissue that is loaded more quickly will behave more stiffly meaning will deform less than the same tissue that is loaded at a slower rate (Threlkeld, 1992).

Threlkeld, A.J. (1992).The effects of manual therapy on connective tissue. Physical Therapy, 72, 893-902.

There are numerous “Grade A”, journal articles (abstract / full article links) already posted here at Thunder by marinera in his thread Loading, lengthening and healing, that address different properties of connective tissue such as creep.

For me deconditioning breaks should be done if the tunica becomes to stiff to manipulate anymore from PE or when your EQ is in a constant state of suckyness. I was forced to take a deconditioning break back in December 2008 through Febuary 2009 because of the tunica toughening effects and poor EQ effects of full erect clamping. Personally I’m not to fund of full erect clamping or jelqing above a 75% percent erection.

Zabora is right in saying that tissues that are loaded more quickly will behave more stiffly. This is the reason why i said when hanging to do a 5-10 warmup set or a couple of 5 minute warmup sets with lighter weight, building to the heavy worksets.


(Starting size) (NBPEL: 8 Inches), (BPEL: 8.5 Inches) (BPFSL: Didn't measure then), (Midshaft Girth: 5.2 Inches), (Base Girth: 5.5 Inches)
(Current size) (NBPEL: 9.3 Inches), (BPEL: 9.7 Inches), (BPFSL: 10.3 Inches), (Midshaft Girth: 5.8 Inches), (Base Girth: 6.35 Inches)
(Final Goal) To be the next Mandingo LOL.

Banned.

saiyan22 - I totally agree on the hanging. I can hang 50 pounds from my penis for 5 minutes but If I slap 30 on there before the prestretch it will hurt like hell. Most people have no idea how much they can really hang because of the old mentality of heavy first (when your body is not ready) and then decrease. IR lamp is key when hanging as well. I do however believe that tissue adaptation is so important in reaching benefits from hanging that even if one can only hang one set every other day it is worthwhile for a few reasons, mainly the conditioning effect.


3/07 7.75 bpfsl, 4 12/16 midshaft EG

5/08 9.0 bpfsl, 5 10/16 midshaft EG clamped

7/09 8 4/16 BPEL, 6 midshaft EG clamped

Although I am not hanging yet, I am going to follow your CREEP protocol from here on out for my PE career. I’ll keep you posted with my results.

Thanks Airshy and UM1991 for the support. Yeah Airshy You have the hanging thoery involving the CREEP phase down pack with your warmup method leeding to your max weight.


(Starting size) (NBPEL: 8 Inches), (BPEL: 8.5 Inches) (BPFSL: Didn't measure then), (Midshaft Girth: 5.2 Inches), (Base Girth: 5.5 Inches)
(Current size) (NBPEL: 9.3 Inches), (BPEL: 9.7 Inches), (BPFSL: 10.3 Inches), (Midshaft Girth: 5.8 Inches), (Base Girth: 6.35 Inches)
(Final Goal) To be the next Mandingo LOL.

Banned.


Last edited by saiyan22 : 02-09-2010 at . Reason: grammer

I do lean towards believing that gains are made by stretching the connective beyond the elastic range, and into the plastic range.

I wrote quite a bit about this in the hanging forum on a thread. Since I have not been able to stick to a routine, and I haven’t gained, I don’t think that I’m qualified to write about the science of PE anymore.

Consider what happens with cyclic loading also. The first 30 seconds of a stretch induce the most creep. The first 4 stretches induce the most creep when comparing to a large number of multiple (cyclical loading) stretches. After the 10th stretch, or loading cycle, the tissues generally don’t stretch any further if the same amount of force is used. The curve on a stress/strain chart basically repeats itself after 10 loading cycles.

I have a hunch that doing 4 light 30 second stretches before the first hanging set, could be beneficial. That’s just an idea that I have based on information about cyclical loading of connection tissues.

A light weight/force applied for a long time, like an ADS should induce creep. Much of it will be straightening out of spring-like fibers, and some fluid will be pressed out of the connective tissue.

I’ve been tempted to buy an extender, but reading threads like this make me want to try hanging again, instead.


Struggling with a peyronies injury during sex and loss of size after having been into PE.

I don’t know much about biology in generally and therefore decided to refrain from trying to figure this stuff out, but saiyan your explanation (whether true or not) certainly fits what we SEE happening. Good stuff :D .

Your links don’t work, Sayan. I guess these links are very similar to those you meant to provide:

Originally Posted by marinera
……

Plastic deformation should not be confused with the phenomenon of creep (Fig. 6). When a load is applied
to a viscoelastic tissue over a prolonged period, the tissue will progressively deform until a new resting
length is achieved. If the load was within the elastic limits of the tissue, the tissue will gradually return to the
original resting length after the load is removed. In biological tissues, this phenomenon primarily represents the
redistribution of water from the tissue to the anatomical spaces surrounding the tissue.
……………………….
The end result should allow the collagen fiber crimping to be removed from the CT and for some amount of creep deformation to occur. These are temporary lengthening phenomena demonstrating a damped elastic response and can easily be misinterpreted as permanent lengthening. Plastic deformation does not take place untll the forces within the tissue reach a higher level.
……………
Creep deformation is not permanent, and the tendon will slowly resume its original length after the load is remove this response is called a “damped elastic response.”

http://www.ptjournal.org/cgi/reprint/72/12/893.pdf


elastic and plastic deformation

Originally Posted by marinera


…. Soft tissues display both viscoelastic and viscoplastic mechanical properties. The stress-strain curve depicted in Figure 1.5 describes the behavior of soft tissues under varying loads. The area of tissue microfailure is located just beyond the linear portion of the stress-strain curve, where the curve falls away from its elastic modulus. Tissue microfailure is the destruction of individual tissue fibrils that occurs as a tissue is loaded beyond its physiologic limit but before gross tissue failure. Figure 1.5 displays a typical stress-strain curve and demonstrates the region of microfailure. Microfailure can be exploited for several therapeutic effects.

Permanent elongation of contracted tissues depends on tissue microfailure and is necessary for permanent tissue reorganization to occur (35). …

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/b…rehab.section.7


marinera - Loading, lengthening, healing.

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