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Routine Types: Why we emphasize the aspects we do

Routine Types: Why we emphasize the aspects we do

Hi there, TG here. Been a while but I got somethin’ to talk about today. People are tossing around a few terms and I think it’d be fair if we actually put some definitions to them so everyone can get on page, as I’ve seen a lot of debate and almost no actual talking about the theory behind the terms being tossed back and forth.

Mainly, I’m going to talk about routine types and differences. I’ve got the “Big or Big volume routine” versus an “Intense routine” versus an “All Day Routine” as the main different things. I’ll also cover the “Regular Schedule” routine that we recommend here the most. (spoiler: It’s the Newbie Routine)

Regular Schedule Routine

The Newbie Routine is a regular schedule routine. It gives structure and helps build PE as a skill and a practice into a repeatable and beneficial habit. It has the glaring strength of being simple and the glaring weakness of not being enough for many after year 2 of their journey. There are some who can use this structure and schedule long past that but they are in the minority.

The Newbie Routine when followed with moderate attention is safe and effective. It typically offers steady gains at a slow to moderate pace and sometimes stalls, for guys who need more intensity or more volume/duration in their routines to see change and growth but it’s the favored jump off point for most PE’rs. Additionally, upping volume and intensity but keeping a stable schedule is in essence a ‘regular’ routine but with an emphasis on a particular aspect. Which is basically what I’ll cover below. The aspects of a routine that make them different, once you master having PE be a regular part of your life and understand what you want from a routine.

Also, the Extender (JES/X4Labs/Male Edge etc.) is a prime example of a regular routine that literally, in time, continues to work, as long as the device calibration is carefully minded. However, many users will go from the Newbie Routine into a different routine type instead of staying with the same approach. The extender is a fine standalone but it requires patience, devotion and not rushing the process.

A regular routine gives its rewards with patience above all else and to the person devoted to using the least amount of force needed to gain but continuing to change it over time.

Big (volume) Routine Notes

Typically, a “big routine” has a lot of medium to light exercises, like jelqing and/or stretching and one or two long sets per day, typically into the 1-2, occasionally hour range per set. These are extremely hard to calibrate and rest is more paramount…and these are the routines I see the most failures and injury posts. When someone does 300 jelqs in a set, 30 minutes of stretching and hits an injury, it’s typically because they move past the 2 on, 1-off into a really stringent session schedule. Like 3 days on, 1 day off or 6 days on, 1 day off (which I never recommend, myself).

That rest schedule change accumulates a LOT of unit stress without enough recovery time. Then the user often gets hurt, experiences EQ and size loss. I have the most misgivings about these routines, as in the beginning they show a lot of promise but fade fast due to toughening and nowhere to upgrade the routine to in order to keep gains coming. Also, these are DLD principles of gaining, who is generally considered a hack out for money at this point.

These routines are either out of the MOS DVD or just a flat doubling or tripling of the Newbie Routine pace. Also, of scaling up hanging routines very quickly with heavy weight. Examples are either taking basic exercises and doing huge rep counts, like 300+ Jelqs, more than 15 minutes of stretching, or any other disproportionately high repetiton or duration counts.

Also, another popular Big Volume technique is the “Shotgun” where you take a lot of different things at reasonable volume…and combine them. A shotgun approach routine often will look like 2 routines in one. Take for instance 10 minutes of jelqing, 10 minutes stretching, 15 minutes Bathmate, and ending with 4 hours of extender. This is one example of an infinite combination of shotgun style routines. The gain potential is similar, with the high volume of work as a common factor, but since the methods are so varied when using a shotgun approach it makes it very hard to pin down what is actually working when gains start. This causes the volume of every method involved to be increased, which is seldom the amount of volume increase needed and is the major failing point of the method.

The Big Volume Routine gives its reward in keeping the penis on the edge of fatigue and finding that point and riding it. Hangers into heavy weight call it ‘riding the fatigue’ and it can be achieved in a number of ways not hanging related but is quite hard to find the magic volume required as it will change through the lifetime of the routine in question.

Intense Routine Notes

Typically an intense routine is once in a day and is comprised of either a lot of medium force exercises and device use or a small to moderate amount of high impact device or manual exercise use. These are routines that are based around ULI#3 or Extreme ULI (using turnkey hose clamps), high intensity squeezes like the Horse 440 or others exercises or devices that offer similar or greater intensity, extremely high pressure pumping as in 15HG+ (PE4F style), multiple clamp use per set or clamp use (multiple or not) and erect manipulation, usually bends but occasionally hanging.

Usually these routines are derived from someone’s favorite high intensity tools and they start putting their own spin on it, testing theories cautiously and following PIs. PIs are quick to drop off and injuries are fast to form with routines like this, glans blisters and red spots are common with these routines…but most users learn from those mistakes and not only do them once a day but take 1-4 days off between time. This entire concept is the bulk of what xenolith/Bearded Dragon use in the IPR theories.

I actually have relatively few misgivings about these routines as most people are usually aware of their limitations before attempting these and have at least 1.5-2 years experience before hitting this level. The gains from routines like this are dependent on experience level but typically gains are slow, predictably steady…as long as rest, deconditioning and variety remain strong parts of the entire session schedule and the user remains patient and stays the course. However, the water gets most muddy between an “Intense Routine” and a “Big Routine” and some people want to do Intense Routines at the rest patterns of a Big Routine and wonder why they stall, EQ drops and they get other negative Physiological Indicators. Negative points include higher injury risks, serious injury risk compared to more simple devices and exercises and a gain pattern that is usually painfully slow, even if reliable from year to year.

The Intense Routine gives its rewards to the person who finds the least amount of extreme force to continue to gain. The principle is very similar to the Regular Routine but…it starts with a lot more force, has much less duration and session times…and more rest.

All Day Routine Notes

All Day Routines are absolutely amazing tools that almost no one figures out. Mainly because they really only work and show gains early on in the PE journey when the penis is pliable, has not reached maximum stretch limits and can maximize Newbie Gains. Kjdeet in this post: Kjdeet - Theories of Tensions for Penis-growth? - strength and duration lists some of the most famous All Day Routines and the users with the most success with them.

However, some long duration hangers use light to medium weights for frequent sessions across the day and show steady, less spurt or bursty gain patterns. This is a more rare approach as the time constraints become extremely difficult to manage for questionable returns, as calibration of All Day Hanging takes a lot of thought, practice and time above all else.

The concept is solid and attractive, as it usually involves a LOT of lightweight work (hanging being the exception). Light and short duration stretching, regular jelq sessions that do not go to fatigue levels and keeping that same pace up until you…basically get tired of it. The gain pattern is usually a large spurt in the beginning that levels off to a plateau that an All Day Routine is incapable of safely breaking.

Problem is that the concept does not work indefinitely, as every penis will adjust, grow larger, stronger and tougher and the light force throughout the day will fade in effectiveness. And some, who follow these routines after reading about them, will scale up in both intensity and time and keep the instances they do the exercises per day the same and create some very interesting and bad injury patterns. I like the concept of these routines but…I hate the way that they are basically impossible to teach on a regular basis, as most people will lack the expertise and vision needed to make them work because they just won’t master them while the Newbie gains window is open. Out of the 4 routines, this one is the least stable because you can do everything right and get exactly nothing because your window to make it work may not even exist. They are far harder to get into at later stages in the PE journey, as the forces required are higher and difficult to calibrate but it’s a solid technique when decoded for your particular needs.

The All Day routine gives its reward to someone who is diligent in staying with the time constraints and keeps the force moderate to light, so that PIs don’t dip and they don’t have to take an extended break while the routine is doing its work.

In conclusion, the emphasis on an aspect of your routine is going to determine what rest pattern you feel you need and will be most effective or at least make it to where you’re least likely to get injured. Just think about what you want to emphasize in your routine and then attack that aspect as creatively as possible.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6" MSEG as of 12/16/2016 This is my story...and a few progress pics of me here.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My big secret? My methods. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *8* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith. Also Fitness helps too.

Great post. Your absolutely correct. This should be on the front page of thunders.

Great post once again! I think that the All Day Routines are part of the theory ”healing in elongated/fatigued state”. When you stretch like every 1-2 hour everyday it gets constant work, but with minimal ”damage”. Plus it heals even better when you sleep. I tried this few times(no longer than few weeks)and I can tell you that stretching every 1-2 hour isn’t fun. You have to always interrupt other things in your life. Depending on your job, but you can stretch at work in the toilet. Few minutes, 10 times a day. I didn’t get any morning wood during this period. But later when I started pulling harder, I got great morning woods. BigKnob also said that he stretched with ”high tension” but he teared a ligament and got a permanent lump. So if anyone were to start this approach, start with low force then later start pulling harder. Within safety limits of course. If you have no problem stretching multiple times a day and you can find a private spot, maybe this is a routine for you. I can say that at least 5 people have confirmed great gains with this method. I want to start this in new year and finally be consistent with it and if I can, maybe I’ll be 1-2 inch longer in 2019.


|||||Start: 14cm NBPEL|||||Now: 17,5cm NBPEL|||||Goal: 20cm NBPEL||||

But we're never gonna survive, unless we get a little crazy.

Well done!


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Originally Posted by Horror1234
Great post. Your absolutely correct. This should be on the front page of thunders.

We just have to acknowledge the differences in what make these routines up. Too often we get drawn into ‘what works’ or ‘what worked for who at what time’ but it is obvious that there are many paths to the same end. We just need to understand the common factors, instead of just pointing to isolated cases and saying “You can do that! What he did!”

Thank you for the compliment.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6" MSEG as of 12/16/2016 This is my story...and a few progress pics of me here.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My big secret? My methods. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *8* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith. Also Fitness helps too.

Originally Posted by Kjdeet
Great post once again! I think that the All Day Routines are part of the theory ”healing in elongated/fatigued state”. When you stretch like every 1-2 hour everyday it gets constant work, but with minimal ”damage”. Plus it heals even better when you sleep. I tried this few times(no longer than few weeks)and I can tell you that stretching every 1-2 hour isn’t fun. You have to always interrupt other things in your life. Depending on your job, but you can stretch at work in the toilet. Few minutes, 10 times a day. I didn’t get any morning wood during this period. But later when I started pulling harder, I got great morning woods. BigKnob also said that he stretched with ”high tension” but he teared a ligament and got a permanent lump. So if anyone were to start this approach, start with low force then later start pulling harder. Within safety limits of course. If you have no problem stretching multiple times a day and you can find a private spot, maybe this is a routine for you. I can say that at least 5 people have confirmed great gains with this method. I want to start this in new year and finally be consistent with it and if I can, maybe I’ll be 1-2 inch longer in 2019.

All Day Routines are extremely difficult to master and more often than not end with disappointment. It takes a lot of really nice things lining up to make them work, patience and consistency being paramount…but if your mind is set and you aren’t expecting huge gains immediately, you may see a spurt if you are deconditioned enough. I certainly look forward to you logging your progress with this method given your level of experience.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6" MSEG as of 12/16/2016 This is my story...and a few progress pics of me here.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My big secret? My methods. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *8* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith. Also Fitness helps too.

Originally Posted by Titleist
Well done!

Thank you sir.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6" MSEG as of 12/16/2016 This is my story...and a few progress pics of me here.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My big secret? My methods. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *8* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith. Also Fitness helps too.

PE works, but what works for person X may not work for you. Everyone is different, even though we’re all humans. But it is important to try and understand just how things work and experiment and share info. Maybe one day there will be a method that works well for everyone, or at least 90% percent of the PE’rs. Some get great results from the newbie routine(I was a lucky one back in 2011) and some just don’t gain. But it’s a great starting point. Age could be a factor too, and your lifestyle choices.


|||||Start: 14cm NBPEL|||||Now: 17,5cm NBPEL|||||Goal: 20cm NBPEL||||

But we're never gonna survive, unless we get a little crazy.

Originally Posted by Kjdeet
PE works, but what works for person X may not work for you. Everyone is different, even though we’re all humans. But it is important to try and understand just how things work and experiment and share info. Maybe one day there will be a method that works well for everyone, or at least 90% percent of the PE’rs. Some get great results from the newbie routine(I was a lucky one back in 2011) and some just don’t gain. But it’s a great starting point. Age could be a factor too, and your lifestyle choices.

Certainly, no method works for everyone. It’s the same reason I personally recommend routines that you can calibrate and control instead of routines that anomalies made work, as most men simply are not in the same scenario as some of the exceptional Big Volume or All Day routine gainers. Experimentation is also good, hence my own forays into Intense Routines this year and my second shot at hanging (which failed miserably).

Personal trainers make mad money because everyone can’t be trained the same. PE is the same, just on a scale of the genitals.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6" MSEG as of 12/16/2016 This is my story...and a few progress pics of me here.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My big secret? My methods. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *8* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith. Also Fitness helps too.

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