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Rethinking how much size matters to women

Porn is questionable, Women’s estimates are questionable.

First off, most women do not have an accurate “mental ruler.”

Secondly how are they guesstimating? Bottom balls up? Visible penis from the side? Top down scientific measurement?

I have lots of friends who think things that aren’t true.

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Originally Posted by bohm
My guess is that the real world average/median is somewhere in between the two figures. Bigger than most studies but smaller than self-reported measurements/studies.

Have you ever thought about selection bias in the scientific studies? Bigger guys are more likely to come out for a penis size study than smaller guys.

What’s the average penis size?
by Dr. Petra Boynton
(Sorry no link, article no longer on the internet)

[M}ost sex researchers and therapists don’t trust these figures.

The reason? They’re based on measurements from laboratory studies where men knew they were participating in research to see how their knobs measured up.

This means guys who were worried about size were less likely to participate, whilst guys who thought they had big schlongs were more than happy to waggle them under researchers noses.

So most researchers, therapists and doctors suspect the 'average' penis size figures obtained in research (and widely quoted) are at least an inch larger than they should be.

This is because research on penis size is skewed in favour of men who are happy to be measured.


Last edited by sta-kool : 08-18-2010 at .

That is a good point, though the only place we’ll get info from where participation was not voluntary is places like North Korea…

Or when measured for the purposes of a medical trial, ED drugs maybe?


Starting Stats - 5.5 NBPEL x 5.6 EG

Current Stats - 5.7 NBPEL x 6.2 EG

Goal - 7 x 6 (with hopefully a large flaccid hang)

Originally Posted by bohm
I think both sides are a bit skewed.

The research is underestimating erect penis size because:

1. Not many men can get a full 100% erection in a performing-type situation with a ruler placed on their cocks by a researcher/assistant. Shit, I have trouble getting a 100% erection, even in front of my camera without anybody around. Even 0.25-0.5” difference from maximal size can skew the results downwards.

2. They assume stretched length is same as erect length; however, almost all studies suggest erect length is greater (don’t include guys on this forum who practice stretching their penises almost daily). If you or anyone has even 1 study that suggests the opposite trend, I’d be interested in seeing it.

The common-sense view is also skewed to the high side for many reasons discussed ad nauseum on this and many forums.

My guess is that the real world average/median is somewhere in between the two figures. Bigger than most studies but smaller than self-reported measurements/studies. Having said all this, I don’t think most (but not all) women give a rat’s ass about a guy’s penis size as long as it’s not small or extremely, scary big. But guys do care, because many of us guys are fucked in the head (I can’t think of a better reason). Maybe too much porn, maybe the thought of somebody bigger than themselves filling their woman more than they can (or thinking our women would want to experience/fantasize it) can play with many guy’s minds. Basically, I think it’s some type of mental guy thing? And I think women know this.

Only some of these studies measure stretched length though. I think the value of comparing various studies is in grouping them together by methodology; this yields a big cluster of studies showing NBPEL of 5 inches. To me that is the most revealing view of the data. Doesn’t matter much what the BPEL winds up to be, because there isn’t any reason for it to vary any more than the NBPEL, when averaged out.

Also I found this study suggesting that the variation between stretched measurement in a clinical setting using less than half a kilo of tension, and erect measurement is basically a centimeter, maybe 1.2 depending how you look at it. Not a huge variation.
Http://picasso.eng.tau.ac.il/~msbm/…_12_328-333.pdf

Also there are a ton of guys who state their BPFSL is longer than BPEL, I’m one and I think it’s the norm. I don’t think it has all that much to do with PE per se. It just makes common sense because BPEL is measured with a mechanical traction force that can easily far exceed the static force of blood pressure. If the clinical studies had applied the kind of force that WE do when measuring it, they would probably have gotten an opposite finding. They seem to be treating the patients gingerly.


4/2008 Bpel 6.50, Beg 5.5, Mseg 4.9

6/2008 Bpel 6.75, Beg 5.5, Mseg 5.1

9/2008 Bpel 7.00, Beg 5.5, Mseg 5.1

Originally Posted by boner7484
That is a good point, though the only place we’ll get info from where participation was not voluntary is places like North Korea..

Or when measured for the purposes of a medical trial, ED drugs maybe?

The Italian study of soldiers was compulsory and had 3000 participants.


4/2008 Bpel 6.50, Beg 5.5, Mseg 4.9

6/2008 Bpel 6.75, Beg 5.5, Mseg 5.1

9/2008 Bpel 7.00, Beg 5.5, Mseg 5.1

Originally Posted by sta-kool
So most researchers, therapists and doctors suspect the 'average' penis size figures obtained in research (and widely quoted) are at least an inch larger than they should be. This is because research on penis size is skewed in favour of men who are happy to be measured.

Assuming it’s accurate, the mean penis size figures obtained in research is ~5.5” NBPEL. I have never come across anybody claiming that even this value is 1” higher than the real world average. So what are they claiming? The average penis size is only 4.5” NBPEL? You believe that? My buddy may be a bit warped but his estimation of 5.75” NBPEL average (6” with mild press) seems quite accurate to me.

Many on this forum argue that the real average is closer to 5” NBPEL. It’s that 0.75” difference that we can’t agree on, I think. But it’s an important one for other guys who are worried/obsessed about penis size. And yes I know about self-selection. See my previous posts.


Starting Size: April, 28, 2010: NBPEL-7" Girth-6" (base, MSG, glans)

Currently: BPEL-8" NBPEL-7.25" Girth-6.25" (base)/6.125" (MSG)/6.125" (glans)

Bohm, I feel like sometimes you can’t see the forest for the trees. You obsess over Dr. Boyton’s “inch larger than they should be” and seem to miss the point she is making.

You can quibble with her inch (I do too). But that is not the important concept here. Which is that if the research is skewed in any way, it is skewed towards people who are happy to be measured (larger guys).


Last edited by sta-kool : 08-18-2010 at .

Originally Posted by sta-kool
Bohm, I feel like sometimes you can’t see the forest for the trees. You obsess over Dr. Boyton’s “inch larger than they should be” and seem to miss the point she is making. You can quibble with her inch (I do too). But that is not the important concept here. Which is that if the research is skewed in any way, it is skewed towards people who are happy to be measured (larger guys).

Sta-kool,

There are studies using random subjects, I believe (e.g. The Italian studies). Unfortunately they use stretched length in most of those studies. Same with most extender studies with respect to gains in length. They assume that because stretched length has increased, erect length has also increased. But that’s another topic.

Just curious. What do you personally think is the median length (50% above, 50% below) of a male adult erect penis; that is, the NBPEL? Thanks.


Starting Size: April, 28, 2010: NBPEL-7" Girth-6" (base, MSG, glans)

Currently: BPEL-8" NBPEL-7.25" Girth-6.25" (base)/6.125" (MSG)/6.125" (glans)

I think the ansel/lifestyle median is as good as any, but I do think that was lightly bone pressed. (from some of the articles I have read about it.)

Median was 5.65.

Seems about one of the most well thought out of the studies, even though we have talked about selection bias there.

Originally Posted by sta-kool
if the research is skewed in any way, it is skewed towards people who are happy to be measured (larger guys).

Originally Posted by bohm
The Italian studies

Exactly: larger guys.

:)

:funpost:


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Shit, all this debate for ~5.75-5.65=0.1” difference. Yep, I think we may be a tad too obsessive/concerned about dong size. So in essense, since most guys have about a 1” fat pad, the average BPEL would be 6.65”?

I have ~ 0.5” fat pad so that would mean an average hung guy with my level of fat pad would be ~6.15” (5.65 + 0.5). I think, I fully agree with your estimation. It seems quite accurate.


Starting Size: April, 28, 2010: NBPEL-7" Girth-6" (base, MSG, glans)

Currently: BPEL-8" NBPEL-7.25" Girth-6.25" (base)/6.125" (MSG)/6.125" (glans)

My take on the numbers is “more or less”. That’s good enough for me.

Originally Posted by bohm
So in essense, since most guys have about a 1” fat pad, the average BPEL would be 6.65”?

No I don’t think that at all. The articles I have read about the Lifestyle study, the ones that talk about methodology say the ruler was “pressed” or “lightly pressed” or “at” the pubic bone. Lifestyles scientists seemed to want to measure penis, not fat.

Sorry, I misunderstood. So you’re basically, saying ~ 5.65” BPEL is the median length on your interpretations of the studies. And since most guys will have ~0.5” (if younger) fat pad or 1” (if older), then the median length estimate for you would be ~ 5.0” NBPEL.

This is about the average value in the Wessels study. I hope I’m not misinterpreting you.


Starting Size: April, 28, 2010: NBPEL-7" Girth-6" (base, MSG, glans)

Currently: BPEL-8" NBPEL-7.25" Girth-6.25" (base)/6.125" (MSG)/6.125" (glans)

Guess this is the right topic to write my thoughts (finally!!) Looool! :)

Well guys, let me share with you my experience of sex related to my size. Anyway, maybe I´ll be a bit long but bare with me, ok?

I´m a sexy, pretty and charming guy and I know I´m really, really good in sex issues! All women just came or come for getting more! However, my height is only 5’ 6”, wich has disadvantages and just one advantage (my unit seems bigger than it really is).

I´ve been with a pretty good number of women until today. So:

- All of them had more than one orgasm per sexual act;

- Except the first one (wich had a max of two orgasms - she was really complicated in her head…), all of them had more than two orgasms per sexual act;

- About 95% could reach 4 or more orgasm per act (with a window of several minutes between, I mean they had another several minutes after - Sequential Multiple);

- About 50% of them had multiple orgasms, more than 5 (with a window of seconds, few minutes the most - Serial Multiple or Sequential Multiple);

- About 30% had unstoppable/multiple orgasms (with a window of seconds or few minutes - Serial and Sequential);

- About 5% had unstoppable/multiple/squirting orgasms (with a window of seconds - Serial and Sequential).

- The women that had unstoppable/multiple/squirting orgasms are all divorced Milfs!

So, what´s my point: - My unit is 6.7” BPEL, 6.3” NBPEL, 4.8” MSEG. I mean, I´m no 10x8, 9X7, 8x6, 7x6, not even 7x5.5!!! My 6.3” NBPEL and mostly my 4.8” MSEG seemed not to bother those squirting Milfs (with vaginas that give birth twice or more) and all the others that came, came and came. They were/are (mostly the Milfs I´m screwing at the moment) completely crazy about my sexual perfomance. The majority of women said I am/was big (that´s the advantage I wrote about, of being short, but my point is the SUGESTION of seeing what is thought to be a big unit!). In fact I hurt a bit some of them at the bottom. But I know I´m only slightly above average in lenght, the most.

My question is: If I´d have a 8x6, would all these women would have came more…? My opinion is: Maybe yes, maybe not!!! I guess size ALSO matters. My sexual performance is great, but there are some requirements that should exist first or during: open mind, capability of driving women wild even before sex and to stimulate her, the capability of making feel women confortable with you, etc, etc, etc.

Well, this is my opinion. How about you, guys?


Start: 07/09/08 - BPEL: 6.75"; NBPEL: 6.2"; EG: 4.75"; STOPED for several times.

----- Current/Restart: - BPEL: ~ 7"; NBPEL: ~ 6.4"; EG: 4.85";

Final Goal - NBPEL: ≥ 7.5"; EG: ≥ 5.5";

My reason for wanting to be bigger has nothing to do with making a women orgasm more times. I honestly don’t give a crap. A tongue would probably do the job better. It’s primarily an ego/confidence/male status symbol thing, I think.


Starting Size: April, 28, 2010: NBPEL-7" Girth-6" (base, MSG, glans)

Currently: BPEL-8" NBPEL-7.25" Girth-6.25" (base)/6.125" (MSG)/6.125" (glans)

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