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Rethinking how much size matters to women

Originally Posted by bohm
I don’t think it’s possible to convince him. In my opinion, anxiety (and perhaps bad luck) can sometimes really play with your mind. For instance, because one girl commented that one guy may have been slightly bigger than me when erect (at that time, anyway) it kinda tricked my mind. She told me I was a lot bigger flaccid and it really surprised me that he may have been bigger when erect.

I keep thinking that every 2-3” flaccid guy is going to have a 9-10” erect penis. Then there’s Mandingo. Apparently the guy has a 4.5” flaccid? This means that his flaccid is smaller than mine. Yet when erect he is 2-3” bigger than me (assuming he has a 9-10” NBPEL penis). That really can confuse guys. If a girl tells a guy that they are the smallest guy she has seen (even if she was bullshitting), that could really fuck a guy’s perspective, especially if they have anxiety issues. Sometimes to the point of being delusional. Just visit some bodybuilder forums or listen to anorexics and how they see themselves. There’s no frigging way a 7” NBPEL is small.

Of course, you may have really bad luck and come across one girl that by chance had slept with really big guys or that you’re a 6’5” muscular guy and so a 7” x 5.25” penis on them may look on the average to small side?

I don’t have a good flaccid at all, sometimes I do ( like after water pumping ). I did see a Mandigo flaccid and it was smaller than many of ours. I know that erect its a beast.

I had envisioned a Mandigo flaccid at 8” before I saw that 5” or whatever flaccid that they showed him with.

Originally Posted by sta-kool
Yes, and the numbers are similar to the lifestyles data for over 7” (top down measurement, ruler lightly against pubic bone, measured from base to tip)

7.00” to 7.25” 1.0 %
7.25” to 7.50” 1.0 %
7.50” to 7.75” 0.9 %
7.75” to 8.00” 0.8 %
8.00” to 8.25” 0.3 %
8.25” to 8.50” 0.3 %
8.50” to 8.75” 0.1 %
8.75” to 9.00” 0.1 %

http://www.mraverage.com/results.htm

According to the Pre PE Length poll here at Thunders, only about 4% of guys reported BPEL of more than 7.7”. I’m sure the average member of Thunders gets around 0.8” extra by measuring BP compared to NBPEL, which again would support the findings of the other data sources such as lifestyles.

Originally Posted by joey999
According to the Pre PE Length poll here at Thunders, only about 4% of guys reported BPEL of more than 7.7”. I’m sure the average member of Thunders gets around 0.8” extra by measuring BP compared to NBPEL, which again would support the findings of the other data sources such as lifestyles.

Hmm. I think the sweet number we’re looking for is 2.5%.

In that case I get 21cm (8.25”) in Length and 16 cm (6.25”) for Girth according to the starting size.

I find that in general circumference measurements are a lot more consistent than length measurements. This BPEL vs NBPEL measurements can vary quite a bit depending on where and how much to press into the skin/fat pad and even sitting versus standing make a difference. If I’m sitting on a chair and get a full erection and press against the fat pad along the top right half of my penis as hard as I can, I can get 8” (or more) but I would consider that as mega cheating because:

~0.5” fat pad
~0.25” due to sitting down
~0.25” due to measuring on the right half of my penis (I have a slight left curve)
~0.25” if I use a tape measure (versus metal ruler) and drape it over my knob and bend it slightly up at the base

That’s ~ 1.25” greater length measurement compared to a standing up NBPEL metal ruler measurement parallel to floor with very little pressure applied to skin/fat pad. Then there’s the problems with all studies:

“Self-measurement studies are vulnerable to unintentional mis-measurement, and also to mischievous mis-reporting. One must suspect some of the very high
individual results in such studies. On the other hand, if a researcher does the measurements, the situation is hardly normal, and many men may be less aroused
than when having intercourse. If the erection is caused by an injection of a vasoactive drug, there is no evidence that the effect is the same as a naturally
occurring one.”

http://www.enersol.com.au/CondomSize.pdf

Average erect penis length measurements are a bit confusing, no doubt. Average erect circumference, on the other hand appear quite consistent. The average in almost all studies is a mid-shaft measurement of ~ 5” (or slightly less). The median circumference is probably slightly less than this value, I’m guessing?


Starting Size: April, 28, 2010: NBPEL-7" Girth-6" (base, MSG, glans)

Currently: BPEL-8" NBPEL-7.25" Girth-6.25" (base)/6.125" (MSG)/6.125" (glans)

Does anyone know if any of these Penis Size Surveys were measured in BPEL or NBPEL?

Originally Posted by gapinga
Does anyone know if any of these Penis Size Surveys were measured in BPEL or NBPEL?

Most of them mention in it in their “methodology” section. The Wessels/UCSF study was NBPEL (5.08 inches). The Lifestyles one some people think was NBPEL but it seems more likely to have been BPEL (even if just a “lightly pressed” measurement).

If you check the Penis Size, the True Average thread, you’ll be able to view more of these.


4/2008 Bpel 6.50, Beg 5.5, Mseg 4.9

6/2008 Bpel 6.75, Beg 5.5, Mseg 5.1

9/2008 Bpel 7.00, Beg 5.5, Mseg 5.1

Originally Posted by bohm
Either they’re out of touch with reality or maybe I am.


Hmm…

Let’s think that one over for a minute.

:-k

Okay. That was fun.

Originally Posted by bohm
I say “at least” because one would expect the median to be lower than the average with respect to penis size, for obvious reasons.


I see nothing obvious here. What are you talking about? It sounds suspiciously mathematical. Can you elaborate?

Originally Posted by sta-kool
Also it is not a BPEL like a thunders style groin-stabbing.


Is that official Thunder's style?

I just like the sound of it: “thunders style groin-stabbing” - it has the ring of an Olympic event.

Of course… there are those here who might feel that any groin-stabbing measurement techniques are not those of Thunder’s Place (and certainly not officially), but were developed by one of those helpful pay-sites that are noted for their ‘expert’ information.

My guess is that it’s neither of those, really. It’s more about Newbie enthusiasm (or possibly Journeymen frustration).

Originally Posted by Jawbone
By carefully cutting open a slit above my groin I’ve gained 0.3 inches. It’s the fastest method I’ve used for Penile Enlargement.

Originally Posted by redbear52
Yes I did that too, but I found that by carefully working on my pubic bone with a Dremel tool I could gain another .2 inches.

:eek2:

WOW! That’s a special feeling.

Originally Posted by Fantom
If you check the Penis Size: The True Average thread, you’ll be able to view more of these.


Good suggestion.

:cool:


Before: I'd like to show you something I'm very proud of, but you'll have to move real close.

After: I\'d like to show you something I\'m very proud of, but you guys in the front row will have to stand back.

God gave men both a penis and a brain, but unfortunately not enough blood supply to run both at the same time. - Robin Williams (:

Most men are very sexual ,doesn´t matter if they are small or big membered.

But if a man with a small or a average sized one expects that his girlfriend will love sex

As he do,he will end up with a girlfriend that doesn´t care about penis size and I´m sure she will

Not care about sex as much either.

Originally Posted by bohm
~0.5” fat pad
~0.25” due to sitting down
~0.25” due to measuring on the right half of my penis (I have a slight left curve)
~0.25” if I use a tape measure (versus metal ruler) and drape it over my knob and bend it slightly up at the base

That’s ~ 1.25” greater length measurement compared to a standing up NBPEL metal ruler measurement parallel to floor with very little pressure applied to skin/fat pad. Then there’s the problems with all studies:

I think the most you can gain from that is 1” because as soon as you use a fabric tape measure you can’t do the Bone Pressed Aspect of the measurement.

Originally Posted by Mr. Happy
I see nothing obvious here. What are you talking about? It sounds suspiciously mathematical. Can you elaborate?

If the outlier is a high value, it will cause the mean value to shift to the higher side, while a low valued outlier will drop the mean value to a lower number. Guys usually don’t have a penis that measures close to 0” but they can have a penis measuring 8-10”, occassionally. So the mean values are more likely to be somewhat higher than the median values.

I think that penis size research when it comes to length, is questionable (hence the out of touch with reality statement). I find it hard to believe that the median Korean penis is less than 4” NBPEL. And I question the studies that suggest only 2.5% of males are longer than 6.9”. Obviously I have zero evidence, but if I were to take a poll, I would guess most guys and women would agree with me, based on real life. I know if I had some researcher measuring my dick, it would not be the same size as it is when I’m fucking my woman.


Starting Size: April, 28, 2010: NBPEL-7" Girth-6" (base, MSG, glans)

Currently: BPEL-8" NBPEL-7.25" Girth-6.25" (base)/6.125" (MSG)/6.125" (glans)

Originally Posted by bohm
If the outlier is a high value, it will cause the mean value to shift to the higher side, while a low valued outlier will drop the mean value to a lower number. Guys usually don’t have a penis that measures close to 0” but they can have a penis measuring 8-10”, occassionally. So the mean values are more likely to be somewhat higher than the median values.

I think that penis size research when it comes to length, is questionable (hence the out of touch with reality statement). I find it hard to believe that the median Korean penis is less than 4” NBPEL. And I question the studies that suggest only 2.5% of males are longer than 6.9”. Obviously I have zero evidence, but if I were to take a poll, I would guess most guys and women would agree with me, based on real life. I know if I had some researcher measuring my dick, it would not be the same size as it is when I’m fucking my woman.

That you would trust a poll of women and men on penis size over a study is pretty ridiculous. Especially when it is commonly accepted that girls overestimate size when measuring visually. Why do you find these numbers so hard to accept?

The real issue here is that penis measurement in itself does not have an across the board accepted standard. The Korean study could have measured from a completely different place to other studies.


Starting Stats - 5.5 NBPEL x 5.6 EG

Current Stats - 5.7 NBPEL x 6.2 EG

Goal - 7 x 6 (with hopefully a large flaccid hang)

I think both sides are a bit skewed.

The research is underestimating erect penis size because:

1. Not many men can get a full 100% erection in a performing-type situation with a ruler placed on their cocks by a researcher/assistant. Shit, I have trouble getting a 100% erection, even in front of my camera without anybody around. Even 0.25-0.5” difference from maximal size can skew the results downwards.

2. They assume stretched length is same as erect length; however, almost all studies suggest erect length is greater (don’t include guys on this forum who practice stretching their penises almost daily). If you or anyone has even 1 study that suggests the opposite trend, I’d be interested in seeing it.

The common-sense view is also skewed to the high side for many reasons discussed ad nauseum on this and many forums.

My guess is that the real world average/median is somewhere in between the two figures. Bigger than most studies but smaller than self-reported measurements/studies. Having said all this, I don’t think most (but not all) women give a rat’s ass about a guy’s penis size as long as it’s not small or extremely, scary big. But guys do care, because many of us guys are fucked in the head (I can’t think of a better reason). Maybe too much porn, maybe the thought of somebody bigger than themselves filling their woman more than they can (or thinking our women would want to experience/fantasize it) can play with many guy’s minds. Basically, I think it’s some type of mental guy thing? And I think women know this.


Starting Size: April, 28, 2010: NBPEL-7" Girth-6" (base, MSG, glans)

Currently: BPEL-8" NBPEL-7.25" Girth-6.25" (base)/6.125" (MSG)/6.125" (glans)

Whether the reality is that only 2.5% of guys have an NBP over 7”, or that 5% have an NBP over 7.5”, the point is that really long dicks — the kind featured in a lot of internet porn these days — are quite rare in the general population.

Here at Thunder’s Place, we might bicker about exactly what should be extrapolated from this or that study, but outside this well-educated (about penises) forum, there are tons of guys today who honestly fear ridiculous things like that, say, a quarter of men are sporting 8” wood. (Porn especially warps people’s views of the typical Black man’s penis. I have heard women with limited experience with Black men make comments suggesting that they think all Black guys have massive Mandingo-style cocks. (: )


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Originally Posted by Para-Goomba
Here at Thunder’s Place, we might bicker about exactly what should be extrapolated from this or that study, but outside this well-educated (about penises) forum, there are tons of guys today who honestly fear ridiculous things like that, say, a quarter of men are sporting 8” wood. (Porn especially warps people’s views of the typical Black man’s penis. I have heard women with limited experience with Black men make comments suggesting that they think all Black guys have massive Mandingo-style cocks. (: )

I agree fully. My first long-term girlfriend was a Jamaican girl. Contrary to stereotype, she was the smallest and most fragile girl, sex-wise that I’ve ever been with and she was very tall. And the 2 biggest guys she had been with (she hadn’t been with many guys, though) were 2 european-born guys (I was her second biggest). But I still do think that guys with Western and Central-African heritage may be slightly bigger on average than guys of European ancestry. My guess is that this isn’t the case with East African heritage or even south African ancestry. Guys with Oriental (Asian) ancestry are probably a bit smaller, also. But this is mere speculation, on my part.

P.S. My buddy is kinda of a porn addict and he’s also had sex with more women then myself. I showed him this site and also asked him what he thought was the average size penis. Not that it means anything but he said 6” with light press. But he thinks that about 10% of guys have a penis 7” NBPEL or greater. But watching porn and listening to other women’s estimations may have made his perspective somewhat biased. He says he has a 7” NBPEL x 5.75” girth penis. But sometimes I wonder if he’s bullshitting me. He has shown pics to me on his phone of some of his friends banging women (don’t ask) and they look pretty big to me. One guy looks like he’s at least 8” NBPEL (bigger than most porno stars) but it’s a phone pic of him getting a blow-job from some girl and it’s kinda hard to really know his size, for sure.

Originally Posted by Para-Goomba
Whether the reality is that only 2.5% of guys have an NBP over 7”, or that 5% have an NBP over 7.5”

That’s quite a big difference. If the latter my buddie’s estimate of ~10% 7” NBPEL or greater is accurate.


Starting Size: April, 28, 2010: NBPEL-7" Girth-6" (base, MSG, glans)

Currently: BPEL-8" NBPEL-7.25" Girth-6.25" (base)/6.125" (MSG)/6.125" (glans)


Last edited by bohm : 08-18-2010 at .

Originally Posted by bohm
P.S. My buddy is kinda of a porn addict and he’s also had sex with more women then myself. I showed him this site and also asked him what he thought was the average size penis. Not that it means anything but he said 6” with light press. But he thinks that about 10% of guys have a penis 7” NBPEL or greater. But watching porn and listening to other women’s estimations may have made his perspective somewhat biased. He says he has a 7” NBPEL x 5.75” girth penis. But sometimes I wonder if he’s bullshitting me. He has shown pics to me on his phone of some of his friends banging women (don’t ask) and they look pretty big to me. One guy looks like he’s at least 8” NBPEL (bigger than most porno stars) but it’s a phone pic of him getting a blow-job from some girl and it’s kinda hard to really know his size, for sure.

The estimate of average penis size as taken by someone who watches a lot of porn, and hears a lot of girls visual penis estimates? That is more than ‘somewhat biased’. Horrendously inaccurate would be more like it.


Starting Stats - 5.5 NBPEL x 5.6 EG

Current Stats - 5.7 NBPEL x 6.2 EG

Goal - 7 x 6 (with hopefully a large flaccid hang)

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