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Reasons for SLOW gains and NO gains

Hey Sparky, Thanks for the PM. I haven’t been very active here on the forum because My wife and I have opened a retail store in a local town and Its takes a lot of my time but I do manage to keep up on orders.

Your questions are good ones and ones that a lot of people don’t understand fully.
When you have toughened up from missing routines or just being inconsistent, the problem lies in the ligs becoming fortified by adding new collagen to the ligament lattice structure. Depending on how long ago the condition was created will determine how you should approach the correction so gains can be had again. If it has been a week or longer the best approach is one we have the toughest time accomplishing and that is a deconditioning period to allow the ligs to stabilize and return to their normal condition. This period, sadly needs to be at least a month and preferably two months. That does mean that the ligs will eventually shed the added collagen and in so doing you can start hanging again whereupon gains should be restored. Once you establish that gains can be accomplished again it is imperative to keep them going, as a break in routine will cause the problem to recreate itself and you’ll be back where you started i.e. No Gains.

You ask how I bust up the ligs if they become immovable. It really doesn’t take that much to keep them busted up and lengthening if your consistent. What I would do is typically and I’ll use just a normal time period where I was hanging 15 to 17 lbs for all my sets, I would jump the stress level up to 20 or 25 lbs for no more then a minute. That is all that is necessary is to open the micro tears and disrupt the healing or laying on of new collagen. Then I would immediately drop back to the 15 to 17 pound level and finish my set at whatever angle I was using at the time.

Really that is all there is to it but it needs to be used judiciously as it is very easy to over do it and the result will be ligament rebellion which will cause excess trauma and regression.

All this really needs to be done within the context of using an ADS between your routines so you don’t have to worry about missed days and plateau’s setting in. A good ADS will be an insurance policy against plateaus.

Unfortunately I can’t recommend any exercises outside the hanging realm because the stresses necessary to accomplish lig busting are high. Now I’m not advocating using 25 lbs when your just starting out. The percentage of increase would or should be somewhere in the neighborhood of about 20% from the weight you normally use. I should say here that in the three years of hanging I did I never needed to exceed the 15 to 17 lb hanging weight because I used multiple angles and fulcrums to keep my gains going WITHOUT needing to increase weight. You can gain an awful lot of length on 10 to 12 lbs for many months if you use various angles and other techniques instead of adding weight upon weight.

Hope this give some perspective to the picture. It worked for me. Today I just do some maintenance to keep things where I like them. Doesn’t take much but it does feel good to be long.

Thanks again Sparky.


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights

Thanks Monty, I’m cutting and pasting that in my PE notebook!

My PE of choice currently is water pumping. I think that 20% increase for about one minute may be the very tip I needed. It makes perfect sense.

My only question on ADS, especially pertaining to PE wts is this. When I had used PE wts for ADS, many times I find sitting would cause the stress to be removed for the period of time that I was sitting. Do you think this is going to interfere with the benefit, and if it does, how should one address it?

Thanks again for a great post Monty!

No, you won’t see any loss of benefit. Many people underestimate the traction effect while sitting with the rings on and the other thing that is missed so very often is the fact that tension even on a 24/7 basis is unnecessary. All that is really required to get the gains we want is to keep up with our heavy hanging which is most definitely intermittent (once a day) but also to keep the ligs healing process disrupted. So what happens here is, you sit a lot during the day but every time you get up you’ll get that little tug and that is all that is needed. As long as that happens several times a day your going to keep the ligs busted up. It really doesn’t require more then that. Pull on an earlobe several times a day and watch what happens. Same thing here


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights

Hey, Monty. That retail store wouldn’t happen to carry pe weights in a blister pack would it? :leftie:


2003: 6X5 2010: 7X7

No Nukes

Nope, Sorry, they can only be had on line. I have considered blister packing and marketing expansion but that would put me into making rings by the hundreds and frankly I don’t want to spend that much time dipping rings and forging lead. I’m OK with things as they are. Guess I’m just not greedy. Besides Blister packing 2 lbs of lead carries hanger problems for stores not to mention paranoiac customers about lead poisoning. Everybody is so green and fearful of the dumbest stuff these days, I just don’t want to deal with it except on a rational level. The Chicken Little syndrome lives on to many plains today


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights

Last couple question to tie it up for me; what are the ranges of PE wts you find is necessary for the average guy 1-2? 1-3 or 4? More? Do you need to wear it at nite, or is that not necessary?

Monty, have you ever considered writing up a summary of your approach? If I missed it, let me know, otherwise, I would LOVE to see you write a summary Thread detailing your approach on PE, along with your results…which are impressive.


Last edited by sparkyx : 02-12-2011 at .

I’ve been PEing and reading this forum sporadically for the better part of a decade and, although there may still be some differing opinions about how people gain, I believe that in the past several years, a very strong case has been made for the existence of a correlation between keeping the penis in an extended state and making gains.

Earlier in this thread, it was mentioned that some guys’ penises have the tendency to turtle after PE more than others and this inhibits gains. I couldn’t agree more. As has been discussed repeatedly in this thread, wearing an ADS is a good way to overcome this problem with regard to length. There has also been discussion about all day cock rings. I’m not convinced either way about this idea because, although I think the concept is accordance with what I’ve said above, I feel that without an already full flaccid hang and good PIs, the cock ring won’t add much.

I say this because I have noticed in periods of gains that my PIs were always excellent. When I’ve PE’d and also experienced full flaccids, frequent erections, etc., gains were sure to follow. The problem is that throughout 90% of my PEing time, I didn’t have these PIs. This led me to believe that there was something a little more internal that was driving growth, but what?

A few days ago I drunkenly created a thread about how to achieve positive PIs. I think the thread got one reply but in the one reply the person said that he got positive PIs from the newbie routine and kegels alone. I’ve never been much on kegels because finishing too quickly isn’t an issue for me, but I do know that harder erections are supposed to be an additional benefit. I can’t recall anyone making the case for a correlation between kegels and flaccid hang or other PIs other than erection strength (correct me if I’m wrong) but it seemed logical that if kegels improved erection hardness that they might improve flaccid hang because these two also correlate in my experience. So I started doing kegels a week ago today and the results have been almost ridiculous. My flaccid hang has been the biggest its ever been and the frequency of my erections has also skyrocketed. It’s almost as if I’ve been semi-erect at all times for the past week. Most importantly, I’ve gained somewhere between 1/8-3/16” in EG in that week. I’ve also been taking Ginseng, but I know that this is not the main cause because I’ve taken it before with little results. However, I think there may be a synergistic effect.

In such a short time, there is always the possibility that this is a fluke. If I’m wrong, it wouldn’t be the first time that I incorrectly thought that I had made the end-all PE discovery.

Originally Posted by Monty:
Hey Sparky, Thanks for the PM. I haven’t been very active here on the forum because My wife and I have opened a retail store in a local town and It’s takes a lot of my time but I do manage to keep up on orders.

Your questions are good ones and ones that a lot of people don’t understand fully.
When you have toughened up from missing routines or just being inconsistent, the problem lies in the ligs becoming fortified by adding new collagen to the ligament lattice structure. Depending on how long ago the condition was created will determine how you should approach the correction so gains can be had again. If it has been a week or longer the best approach is one we have the toughest time accomplishing and that is a deconditioning period to allow the ligs to stabilize and return to their normal condition. This period, sadly needs to be at least a month and preferably two months. That does mean that the ligs will eventually shed the added collagen and in so doing you can start hanging again whereupon gains should be restored. Once you establish that gains can be accomplished again it is imperative to keep them going, as a break in routine will cause the problem to recreate itself and you’ll be back where you started I.e. No Gains.

You ask how I bust up the ligs if they become immovable. It really doesn’t take that much to keep them busted up and lengthening if your consistent. What I would do is typically and I’ll use just a normal time period where I was hanging 15 to 17 lbs for all my sets, I would jump the stress level up to 20 or 25 lbs for no more then a minute. That is all that is necessary is to open the micro tears and disrupt the healing or laying on of new collagen. Then I would immediately drop back to the 15 to 17 pound level and finish my set at whatever angle I was using at the time.

Really that is all there is to it but it needs to be used judiciously as it is very easy to over do it and the result will be ligament rebellion which will cause excess trauma and regression.

All this really needs to be done within the context of using an ADS between your routines so you don’t have to worry about missed days and plateau’s setting in. A good ADS will be an insurance policy against plateaus.

Unfortunately I can’t recommend any exercises outside the hanging realm because the stresses necessary to accomplish lig busting are high. Now I’m not advocating using 25 lbs when your just starting out. The percentage of increase would or should be somewhere in the neighborhood of about 20% from the weight you normally use. I should say here that in the three years of hanging I did I never needed to exceed the 15 to 17 lb hanging weight because I used multiple angles and fulcrums to keep my gains going WITHOUT needing to increase weight. You can gain an awful lot of length on 10 to 12 lbs for many months if you use various angles and other techniques instead of adding weight upon weight.

Hope this give some perspective to the picture. It worked for me. Today I just do some maintenance to keep things where I like them. Doesn’t take much but it does feel good to be long.

Thanks again Sparky.


Great post, Cleared a few things up for me there.

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