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Reasons for SLOW gains and NO gains

UFGator,

>”You will gain.” That’s funny. I think everyone said that about jelqing, stretching, and the newbie routine too…<

I’ve never done the newbie routine. I too failed to gain from jelqing alone and manual stretching. I even tried goofy hangers like the swimcap penis hanger. I built a chicken choker 3 and tried various other home made hangers. I gave up thinking I was a hard gainer. I came back in November last year after building my own Bib knock off and within 6 weeks I gained a half inch. Within 5 months time I gained a total of one inch. You have to be dedicated. I have no doubts you would make gains from hanging.


Serious starting point: Nov. 2, 2009/BPEL 5.75 x 4.75 inches.

Current BPEL 7 1/2 x 5.5 inches.

Goal: BPEL 8 x 6 inches. Hell, if I hit 8, I'm going for 9!

I have a theory why some people don’t gain.

After a workout the natural inclination of the penis is to shrink back to its normal size and then heal. My theory is that this inclination is stronger in some people than in others. Using an ADS to help keep the penis in an extended state for a while after the workout has been very beneficial for me. I think that this is why I was not gaining for a long time, but now that I am using an ADS I am seeing real gains again for the first time since my newbie gains.

Not sure what the equivalent would be for girth work. I guess I will find out when I hit 8 nbp and switch my routine.


Starting (10 / 2006): 5.8~BPEL, 5~BG ----> Current: 7.6 BPEL, 5.6 BG ----> Goal: Pringles Can

Here, Here Whiskey, you took the words out of my mouth.

BIGGEST reason for no gains: Inconsistent routines.
Take a day off and loose all what you might have gained. If your on the healthy side of life your healing cycles will be very short. Without an ADS you wont stand a chance of consistent gains. Plateau’s are in your future and I’ll put $$ on it.

I agree with Firegoat, heat will relax tendons and other tissues to allow elongation BUT without an ADS everything will return to default conditions when the pressure is off. Initial newbie routines are essential for proper conditioning but after that they won’t be enough to keep things moving. I know there are guys who have had gains for very long periods with manual stretches but they have the genetics that allows that. For the most part the rest of us have to apply a little more thought an technique to our endeavors.

Hanging may be the solution as time consuming as it may be. Results are what we need and consistency has to be our mantra. A day off can make all the difference between gains and no gains. If your life is the least bit chaotic then an ADS is your only salvation, especially after heat.


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights

Aren’t there plenty of people who didn’t gain with manual PE. I can’t believe someone would spend 17months and get no gains. Did you move onto hanging UFGator? You really should do some hardcore stuff if you think your dick is so strong. Hang as much as possible (Don’t start with a weight to high). Assuming you heal very quickly you need to hang a lot and just find that right point of right weight and right time to hang/recover.

I’ve read some things by you over my time here. (Planning to read your log at suggestions of sparky when I get time) But I believe you’ve done pretty much the same techniques over this whole 17 months. Sometimes doing 500 jelqs and then in the future doing far less hoping you’re a little is more type. Then switching about basically always doing the same things. If you’ve done these advanced PE methods consistency then that’s really really unfortunate.

I remember reading about a guy who stuck at PE for years never gaining and finally when hanging got like 1/2 an inch and was ecstatic. After a little while I think he needed to stop PE and he lost all gains. I don’t really know the relevance of it except at least he did gain with an advanced technique and you can too just be smart about it don’t repeat your same mistakes. Completely and I mean completely change the types of PE you do is my suggestion.

Originally Posted by shortD80
Totally second the heat. Added heat to manual stretches and gained 1/8” in one session (obviously tendon stretching rather than “growth”). Of course that was a bit too much and now my dick don’t work, but at least it proved the theory to me.

X:rolling: I’m sorry but what on earth. You added heat into your session and got a post PE measurement increase of 1/8”. After doing so your dick doesn’t work? And it sounds like you’re advocating using heat because of this. Sorry just the way you said that was funny. Of course if your dick actually is not working I’m very sorry but I think you just didn’t convey things right. Maybe your EQ went down after the hard session.

Originally Posted by UFGator
I personally don’t buy the heat argument one bit. In all of my researching in the PE world, I was never able to find anything remotely related to heat increasing the liklihood for gains. Heat seems to do one thing: help prevent injury. Besides, in my particular case, I’ve used heat and if anything, it actually made my JELQING sessions worse. Stretching? Not much of a difference. Also, reading a lot of progress logs of guys who gained a lot using manual PE, very few of them actually used any heat at all: ER, braindrain just to name 2 off the top of my head..

I never bought into it either and thought the same as you. We’re moulding tissue here not molten steel! I’ve never really ever used head and gained perfectly fine.

If you walk into something new it may be refreshing for you and the new hopes of gains will ease your frustration. What are your stats at the moment?


PE Goal: 7.5" NBP x 5.8" MSG

Originally Posted by UFGator
Eh, I’m not sure. Granted, I do have a pessimistic attitude about virtually everything. Well, actually, I don’t even refer to it as pessimistic anymore. I consider myself a realist - I don’t hide reality with optimism. Anyway, what I’m trying to say is, I’m not really sure I think attitude has anything to do with it. It’s basically like saying that if you eat 3 medium pizzas per day, you won’t gain a single pound if you maintain an extremely positive attitude that you will NOT gain weight. Physically, it just isn’t possible. The “mind” is a powerful force, surely. But it does not seem to have the ability to deter physical processes from occurring. With that being said, in regards to PE, I think if one does exactly what is needed in order to get positive results, it probably won’t matter whether they had a positive or negative outlook on the actual process. Sorry, that’s just my take on it.

A positive outlook is very very important. You’re trying to create growth in an area that it’s not natural to do so. You have to tell your mind you want to get bigger and the exercises work. Tell your body to grow in exercises. I’ve been trying to do this lately and keep a positive attitude. I get depressed quite a lot regardless so it can be hard but honestly if you keep a positive attitude, and you try some new PE techniques and tell your mind, focus on your dick telling it to grow and get bigger, imagine it getting bigger. After PE exercises, look at your dick like ”yeah I think it looks bigger”. Not only will you be more motivated to PE but it does make the difference in gains.

Originally Posted by Audacia

X:rolling: I’m sorry but what on earth. You added heat into your session and got a post PE measurement increase of 1/8”. After doing so your dick doesn’t work? And it sounds like you’re advocating using heat because of this. Sorry just the way you said that was funny. Of course if your dick actually is not working I’m very sorry but I think you just didn’t convey things right. Maybe your EQ went down after the hard session.

Something was stretched. It was almost impossible to get fully erect and even harder (pardon) to maintain. Even when hard, it would flop all over the place (I.e. "Semi” hangs like flaccid). Fully erect it stuck out at 3 O’clock (instead of pointing up at 2). Kegeling did not have any mechanical connection to it (I.e. It didn’t “dance” when kegeling). It seems to be getting a little better (of course the gain is gone, too). Going to have to do a bunch of reading in the injury forum to see what I am getting into. If one can actually gain length by stretching the tendons without ending up with a floppy stiffy, then I’ll go for it. Although since that seems to be the complaint of ligamentolysis, perhaps it is inevitable.

Originally Posted by shortD80
Something was stretched. It was almost impossible to get fully erect and even harder (pardon) to maintain. Even when hard, it would flop all over the place (I.e. "Semi” hangs like flaccid). Fully erect it stuck out at 3 O’clock (instead of pointing up at 2). Kegeling did not have any mechanical connection to it (I.e. It didn’t “dance” when kegeling). It seems to be getting a little better (of course the gain is gone, too). Going to have to do a bunch of reading in the injury forum to see what I am getting into. If one can actually gain length by stretching the tendons without ending up with a floppy stiffy, then I’ll go for it. Although since that seems to be the complaint of ligamentolysis, perhaps it is inevitable.

Well when did that happen? Take time off PE, doing your kegels and try to masturbate a little less. If in 2 weeks it isn’t back to normal you’ve done some damage and should research/ ask people more experienced on the subject than myself. It is not inevitable that through lig gains your dick will be floppy when hard although the erection angle may decrease a little. But you can do upwards exercise to increase it again. It’s very very odd that you’d have this problem over one session, usually erection angle deceases happen over a long time. Definitely sounds like an injury.

Originally Posted by Audacia
I never bought into it either and thought the same as you. We’re moulding tissue here not molten steel! I’ve never really ever used head and gained perfectly fine.

There is one study about hyperthermia being a good treatment for Peyronie’s… So it definitely does more for the penis than just making it hotter for a bit.

How that would relate to PE I am not sure, just thought I’d point it out.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16019862


Starting Stats - 5.5 NBPEL x 5.6 EG

Current Stats - 5.7 NBPEL x 6.2 EG

Goal - 7 x 6 (with hopefully a large flaccid hang)

Originally Posted by UFGator
… Anyway, what I’m trying to say is, I’m not really sure I think attitude has anything to do with it. … The “mind” is a powerful force, surely. But it does not seem to have the ability to deter physical processes from occurring. With that being said, in regards to PE, I think if one does exactly what is needed in order to get positive results, it probably won’t matter whether they had a positive or negative outlook on the actual process. Sorry, that’s just my take on it.

Let me disagree! A strong attitude (positive, or negative) will always set a “direction” to your subconscious mind. The subconscious then acts very efficiently so the mindset to materialise into reality. It’s the basic principle of autosuggestion, something that a lot of people experienced first hand. Nothing mystic, just the way our brain works.

Now, regarding PE, we don’t exactly know “what is needed in order to get positive results”, but the subconscious mind is closer to the low level processes that make our body functioning. So, a positive attitude will determine the subconscious to act for achieving gains (in a way we don’t know). Conversely, a pessimistic attitude calls the subconscious mind to sabotage any progress.
My English vocabulary is not good enough to find the most suitable words, but I guess you get the idea.

Just an example how the attitude can act upon physical processes:
Sometimes I find myself beginning a PE session thinking that it won’t be a good one, because I feel tired and demotivated. Indeed, I realise soon I have a bad workout. I feel my body tense, bad circulation, the whole workout feels unpleasant for the body.
It’s time to make a conscious effort to change my mindset to better!
I imagine that this workout will be a huge step forward to get a big dick and nothing can hold me back to catch up with Mandingo. I imagine how good will be to have that tool and I get the feeling that it will happen soon. At this time my body is fully relaxed, I feel I have a good grip and stretching is a smooth natural move, almost a pleasurable feeling! The subconscious mind changed the internal body parameters to facilitate the workout.


Starting BPEL: 6.9" (Dec.1st, 2008)

Current BPEL: 8.11" NBPEL: 7.63" BPFSL: 9.09"

Current MEG : 5.6"

I hang weights (12.5lbs) from my penis every day, most days I do 5 sets of 20mins. I find it has helped much more with flaccid hang. Since I started using an ADS (TLC tugger) for 8 hours per day. I am starting to believe a theory I thought about recently.

If we force the penis to stretch, (ligs and tunica etc) for more hours in a 24 hour period than we do nothing to the penis, then it should start to take on the new stretched length. If we persist with heat too the whole time we are using the heavy weights to stretch out the penis, then add the ADS for the majority of the day, then this should add up to around 10 hours of PE. There are 24 hours in a day (no shit) if one could manage to hang and stretch using an ADS for over 12 hours lets say 14 hours, the penis will be spending more time (majority) at a new stretched length.

This sounds like a good play (but a lot of hard work let me tell you) for someone who has a hard time at gaining length. Not everyone could achieve this method, it takes a lot of belief, dedication, time, and experience. Not to mention knowing when it’s a good idea to back off and take a hour out here and there to avoid injury.

This is how I’m working at the moment. Sometimes you don’t want to put on the ADS or hang another set, you’ve had enough, your penis is all red and bruised sometimes, it’s sore in the ADS, you think to yourself, why the fuck am I doing this, then, when it’s better you realise, “Oh yeah, to get a huge cock”.


Start 6.5 bpel 5.75 eg Current bpel 7.0 eg 6.75 (7.0eg base) Goal bpel 7.25 eg 7.0 mid shaft

Progress routine and pics/vids

Originally Posted by UFGator

Eh, I’m not sure. Granted, I do have a pessimistic attitude about virtually everything. Well, actually, I don’t even refer to it as pessimistic anymore. I consider myself a realist - I don’t hide reality with optimism. Anyway, what I’m trying to say is, I’m not really sure I think attitude has anything to do with it. It’s basically like saying that if you eat 3 medium pizzas per day, you won’t gain a single pound if you maintain an extremely positive attitude that you will NOT gain weight. Physically, it just isn’t possible. The “mind” is a powerful force, surely. But it does not seem to have the ability to deter physical processes from occurring. With that being said, in regards to PE, I think if one does exactly what is needed in order to get positive results, it probably won’t matter whether they had a positive or negative outlook on the actual process. Sorry, that’s just my take on it.

Just an example:

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