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How do we establish a frequency of PE… You are certainly on the right track by categorizing the respondents into separate groups. However, I believe the terms: constant, punctuated, intermittent cannot be used. They are too broad, IMO. What is constant to one member, maybe be different to another.

mgus submitted the question. I think he was ultimately wondering, does a person who follows CONSISTENT PE routine gain any more/less than a person who does not follow with as much consistency. For example, lets say there are two men. Man # 1 has used the same routine for 3 months. Man # 2 has changed his routine every two weeks. Who has gained more?

It is a good question.

I believe the best way to find the answer to this question is to find out how much consistency the participant has used in his PE career. We will have to define this using exact terms.

Their could be a set of question that would go something along these lines:
Note — these questions are for example purposes only.

Question: Do you take frequent breaks from PE? If yes, how often, and for how long?
Question: How often do you exercise the penis?
And another question, if we can think of one that determines how often a person changes his PE routine.

Does that clarify it better for you xeno?
I will get mgus in here, since he submitted the question, and have him give some input.


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Yep, I’m sure we’ll flop ourselves to the result we’re looking for.

My principle interest is in having punctuated PE practice considered…I’ll pipe up on that subject until satisfied that I think it is being adequately considered. I intend to be quiet on other matters. I think thats how my talents will be best used in this process.


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Last edited by xenolith : 09-05-2005 at .

Originally Posted by xenolith
Yep, I’m sure we’ll flop ourselves to the result we’re looking for.

My principle interest is in having punctuated PE practice considered…I’ll pipe up on that subject until satisfied that I think it is being adequately considered. I intend to be quiet on other matters. I think thats how my talents will be best used in this process.

No reason to be quiet. You are very intelligent. Stick around, together we will accomplish a lot.


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Remek: I just added a bunch of questions. I hope it’s not too late.


Enter your measurements in the PE Database.

Originally Posted by ModestoMan
Remek: I just added a bunch of questions. I hope it’s not too late.

Not too late at all. In fact, if you come up with anymore questions before we launch the survey, feel free to add them.


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Originally Posted by remek
mgus submitted the question. I think he was ultimately wondering, does a person who follows CONSISTENT PE routine gain any more/less than a person who does not follow with as much consistency. For example, lets say there are two men. Man # 1 has used the same routine for 3 months. Man # 2 has changed his routine every two weeks. Who has gained more?

Question: Do you take frequent breaks from PE? If yes, how often, and for how long?
Question: How often do you exercise the penis?
And another question, if we can think of one that determines how often a person changes his PE routine.


One way is to first separate away the breaks by determining if there is any given period that the respondent also measured, say 1 or 8 months or whatever, with a measurement before & after (Q1). Once we know if there is a given period with measurements, we can ask if they have any idea of average hours per week during that time (Q2a). We can also ask if they followed a set routine during that period or if it was completely intermittent (Q2b).

Q1 will give us an idea of time / gain
Q2a will give us an idea of time / effort / gain
Q2a with Q2b will give us an idea of time / effort / gain depending on if exercise is consistent or intermittent.

For instance, in the SuckXtender thread, I and mbuc have been keeping logs of hours versus gains in BPFSL (for sake of simplicity). Give or take an hour here or there, the result still suggestst that static stretching is more timeeffective than dynamic (springloaded) stretching. Neither of us do much else but use the stretchers.

Also, considering remeks “measure volume” approach, maybe we should ask for EG & BPEL to make a volumetric increase % over time / effort / gain, to even out the differences in various routines?


regards, mgus

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Originally Posted by mgus
Also, considering remeks “measure volume” approach, maybe we should ask for EG & BPEL to make a volumetric increase % over time / effort / gain, to even out the differences in various routines?

Absolutely — that is the one thing that I know we are surely going to ask for (measurements). Without measurements, little can be found through a survey.

On a further note, tomorrow I have some time so I will be adding some more thoughts on mgus’s question — hopefully coming to a rought draft conculsion for the “editors” to take a look at.

Also, to get this project motivated quicker, I will be going through all of the “questions we want answers too” and choosing the simple questions along with the repeat questions, and building survey questions out of those. We, the whole group that seems to be missing at the moment :-k (besides the lovely xeno), will edit the questions I have created until we all agree the wording and the questioning is perfect.

All while we will be creating the current “hard to create questions.”

Asta luego.


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If you would like me to, Remek, I’d be happy to create a first draft of questions for the survey, based on the organizational logic I presented earlier in the Wiki (in sum: 1. predictor variables, 2. potential moderators, 3. criterion variables). People could then add to or criticize the draft as they see fit in this thread, in order to answer whatever important questions are not answerable via the draft design.

Just let me know if that would be helpful in moving this process forward rapidly.

Originally Posted by mgus
One way is to first separate away the breaks by determining if there is any given period that the respondent also measured, say 1 or 8 months or whatever, with a measurement before & after (Q1). Once we know if there is a given period with measurements, we can ask if they have any idea of average hours per week during that time (Q2a). We can also ask if they followed a set routine during that period or if it was completely intermittent (Q2b).

Q1 will give us an idea of time / gain
Q2a will give us an idea of time / effort / gain
Q2a with Q2b will give us an idea of time / effort / gain depending on if exercise is consistent or intermittent.

I think this makes sense. A question structure that serves to (very early on) separate responders into groups of like practitioners will facilitate the subsequent direction of more relevant, practice-specific questions to the responders.

I hope you’ll accept PG’s kind offer of a draft questionnaire, Remek. More later.


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Para Goomba,

Xeno is right, your proposal is very kind.
Considering your experience with statistical data collection, I think I would have to be out of my mind to not accept your proposal. Not only do I welcome your offer, but I do it with complete satisfaction — knowing you are the man for the job.

Before you start a few suggestions. In my opinion:
1) You state missing data is better then inaccurate data — I agree. However, if a person doesn’t have a starting measurement then their participation could be nearly useless (at least for the correlation questions). In the last survey, I had to rid of all the participants that did not enter their measurements. Do you purpose we do this again?

2) In step 4 of your organization process, you state we should start with the predictor-variable questions first, because they take most of the participants energy — again, I agree. But I think some of the questions you asked will be too tough for most to determine. For example, “How many hours total have you spent doing X during your entire PE career.” I have absolutely no clue how many hours I have totaled up jelqing. I couldn’t even take a guess! Maybe the question could be worded differently. For instance, the question could ask “In percentage, approximately how much time have you spent doing X during your entire career?” I don’t know if this would be much better… but it allows the participant to give an estimate (in percentage), instead a exact total number of hours.

I can’t wait to see what you come up with. If you need any help — whatsoever — let me and xeno know.

Thanks!


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Originally Posted by xenolith
This question will be tough for me. I follow a set routine that constantly changes.

To make it even more fun…then I stop completely. I think it will take several questions to handle getting a clear picture of a PE practitioner like myself. I really think we need to establish early on, i.e. first, what sort of PE practice the respondent practices…constant, punctuated, intermittent might be good “bins” to separate respondents into. Then we should pursue establishing what the duration and frequency of their particular brand of training is, IMO.

It may not seem like it, but I’m trying to help.

xeno

I agree that this ought to be investigated. I have altered my routine monthly since starting (including 2 months of no PE) and have shown good gains. I may be an exception: I may be onto something. Who knows? The PE Survey could provide some answers maybe.

1. Find out how long the person has been PEing (When they started to now)

2. The frequency at which they PE. (How many days a week, how many workouts a day, how long the workouts are).

3. Do they take extended breaks (Anything more than a week) and how often do they take them.

It could look something like this (rough draft)

1. How many months have you been PEing?

a. Less than a month
b. 1-3
c. 4-6
d. 7-9
e. 10-12
etc….

2. On average, how many days do you PE in a week?

a. 1
b. 2
c. 3
d. 4
e. 5
f. 6
g. 7

3. How many workouts do you do per day?

a. 1
b. 2
c. 3
and so on…

4. How many minutes do you spend working out each session on average?

a. Less than 5
b. 5-10
c. 11-15
d. 16-20
e. 21-25
f. 26-30
and so on….

Originally Posted by remek
…if a person doesn’t have a starting measurement then their participation could be nearly useless (at least for the correlation questions). In the last survey, I had to rid of all the participants that did not enter their measurements. Do you purpose we do this again?


This will surely get tricky many times (no surprise here). I think the biggest hurdle to creating a Survey that will have some statistical power with respect to identification of cause and effect relationships in PE will be in crafting questions that lead respondents to ever more constraining questions relating to their own PE experience. IMO, the ideal questionnaire structure would be sequential dendritic (a made up term), where each question is presented so that a “Level 1” distinction can be made with respect to whatever it is we’re trying to explore. Each subsequent level of questions (on the same subject) would have more tightly constraining answers to the same or more constraining question. I can imagine that some dendritically structured questions would require 3 or 4 levels of answers to sufficiently constrain the respondent’s answers so that their true PE experience is represented. Once every last bit of relevant information on that subject has been squeezed out of the respondent, then we let them look at the next dendritically structured set of questions for the next subject. It will take a lot of time to craft a questionnaire structure of this type.
And then we face this liklihood…

Originally Posted by ThunderSS
Do not make this thing so complicated/time consuming that guys will give up answering the questions.


It’s a big task to do well. I wouldn’t want to try to write out the Survey that I’m proposing be written. I’ll help someone more ambitiously inclined on this front, however I won’t be surprised if my helping becomes unwanted. I won’t be offended if that occurs.

Until such time, I’ll continue to try to help.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

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Last edited by xenolith : 09-07-2005 at .
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