Ok, I am ready to get started. Before I go through the new revision of the survey (Which looks tremendous by the way), I am going to address a few questions/comments:
Originally Posted by Para Goomba
Because of the extreme variation in the order in which guys try exercises, how long they try exercises, how much these exercises overlap, when they take breaks with various exercises, etc. etc., I think it’s nearly impossible to try to track many temporal issues in this survey. To see how exercises may work synergistically, we’ll have to rely on their predictive weights relative to total gains, which is admittedly a very flawed method. However, as I mention above, IF we can get enough participants, then we will have a sizeable number who employed one technique almost exclusively in their PE careers (i.e., dabbled in other exercises only trivially), which should enable far more focused analyses of the effects of that particular exercise. I, myself, for example, used hanging exclusively for the first year of my PEing (and so, were I to have taken this survey back then, I’d be useful in the way I’m describing)…
Understood. This is what I forsaw, and figured we would have to do. I didn’t know if you had something up your sleeve to to control for this “flawed method.” But I agree, IF we have enough participants, then we should have enough data to build theories on which exercises are “best.” To build enough data, we are going to have to leave it open for a certain amount of time. We haven’t discussed this as of yet, but what are you guys thinking? The last survey was open for three months. I propose at least three months, but I would prefer it to be open for six.
Furthermore, what is your guess on how many participants we will need/should have.
Originally Posted by Para
I’ve always been skeptical that heat does anything, myself, so I wouldn’t focus on it so much, but some others, such as the programmer, think it’s a very important topic of inquiry, so I do think we need to retain those questions, assumign taht some guys do wwarm up for any given exercise. The programmer has actually asked that I add a bit more detail about heat; you’ll see what I mean in the next revision.
It is definetly an important topic of inquiry, especially with the results of the last survey. My question is: do you, or the programmer think that heat works for seperate exercises, and not others? Personally, I don’t have any theories, nor have I seen anything that supports that idea, so I think it would be much easier to add it to the “Additional PE-related Variables section.” However, possibly heat helps with girth squeezes and it doesn’t with manual stretches? Is that what you guys thinking? If you do, then that is fine, go ahead and leave the questions — we might find some useful information.
Originally Posted by Para
4. I don’t really understand this question myself — how it could be addresssed in survey form. I think the best bet here may be to incorporate a simple subjective yes-or-no questions: “After hanging sessions, have you tended to notice a short-term increase in your length?” I’ve never noticed such a phenomenon myself. Is this what you’re trying to get at? We could do a simple comparison of whether those who notice such a phenomenon from hanging gain more, long-term, than those who don’t…
I have never experienced this pehnemomen either. I think it was Modesto that wanted this question to be answered. I will get him in here and see what he has to say.
Originally Posted by Para
I don’t understand. The current survey draft probes changes in both quality and angle of erection. How is “level” different from angle or quality?I agree with you on the other questions in this section not being necessary. But I do want to incorporate a simple subjective questions about flaccid gains into the next survey draft, since guys will be curious about whether any particular exercises seem to lead to better flaccid gains. I dont’ think objective quesions here are worthwhile, since it’s impossible to provide a very accurate measure of one’s flaccid penis size (at least for most guys).
The level of erection was an error — don’t know where it came from. Remember, the “question we want answers too,” were posted by many members a few weeks ago, I was just “reposting” their questions.
Regarding the flaccid question, I completelty agree. In fact, I was going to add a flaccid question today. I am glad to see you already did it.
Originally Posted by Para
Aren’t we doing in-depth editing right now?
Change the word editing to “overview.” Basically, an overview is one big check by me, you, xeno, Thunder, and whoever else has been tagging along, making sure everything clicks, and the wording is “perfect” — or at least close to it.
Originally Posted by Para
I PMed some guys a day or two ago to ask for input on the drafts. I think most guys are too busy right now to contribute much.
I agree. I think we should have some guys look at the final draft, when it is finished.
Originally Posted by Para
Things are coming along pretty well, in my opinion. I’m glad we’re adding more details. I was getting tired of working on this thing, but it’d be a shame to let my laziness affect the quality of this survey, since it will take many months hereafter to begin collecting enough data to analyze, then many hours to do a lot of good analyses. A few days of less sleep is no big sacrifice for this thing.
Para, if I knew how to do similies, I would give you a big thumbs up right now. It has been a pleasure working with you on this survey, and I have learned quite a bit myself. I like how we do things. I hope we can continue this bond as the project goes on.
Originally Posted by xeno
How about: “Of the time between when you started PE (at your pre-PE size) and now (at your current size), what percentage has been spent in break?”
This is a great idea, and although it doesn’t directly aim at punctuated PE, I think it is the best its going to get via a survey. BTW xeno, if we get shirts, then you should definetly get one too.
Now, onto the survey… I am going to put it all into wiki now. This will make it easier for us to edit the small stuff, and see where the changes are being made. If you change something, please post in this thread what you changed. We will continue discussion in here, and edit the survey in wiki.
