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Thunder, great idea about the member acknowledgment. Without that, or some other incentive system, I don’t know how we’ll get enough participants. To do certain analyses well, I’m suspecting we’ll need many, many, many participants, since some analyses will be comparing only tiny subsets of the total subject pool.

I wonder whether “the programmer” still has a strict deadline of Thursday. We can definitely get a good version of this done by then, but more eyes might be able to look at it with a few days extension. Even without that, I think this will turn out well. Analysis will be a bitch, but I’m sure several guys will be interested in helping out there, once the data are in.

T, I got your PM. In the next revision, I will add:

- the one hand/two hand thing for jelq

- also the percentage erection for jelq

Were you referring to circumcision with your other comment? I will definitely add circumcision to the next revision, also.

Originally Posted by xeno
“Of the time between when you started PE (at your pre-PE size) and now (at your current size), what percentage has been spent in break?”

Note that in order to not skew the data, it will be important to differentiate between active PE practitioners who are on break at the time of their response and those practitioners that are in retirement at the time of their response.

Cool. Yeah. I’ll add a question about total time in break to the next revision (rather than just asking about number of extended breaks). I’ll also have to add something to tell retired PEers to take the whole survey with an eye toward their PE careers, from start to finish, but not including their post-retirement weeks/years in calculations.

Thanks for all the comments, guys.

Originally Posted by ThunderSS
I am not “the programmer”.

Let’s leave religious disputes out of this.

Oh good lord.

Thunder, I too agree, member acknowledgement is a great idea.

PG said it best “Without that, or some other incentive system, I don’t know how we’ll get enough participants.”


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Ok, I am ready to get started. Before I go through the new revision of the survey (Which looks tremendous by the way), I am going to address a few questions/comments:

Originally Posted by Para Goomba
Because of the extreme variation in the order in which guys try exercises, how long they try exercises, how much these exercises overlap, when they take breaks with various exercises, etc. etc., I think it’s nearly impossible to try to track many temporal issues in this survey. To see how exercises may work synergistically, we’ll have to rely on their predictive weights relative to total gains, which is admittedly a very flawed method. However, as I mention above, IF we can get enough participants, then we will have a sizeable number who employed one technique almost exclusively in their PE careers (i.e., dabbled in other exercises only trivially), which should enable far more focused analyses of the effects of that particular exercise. I, myself, for example, used hanging exclusively for the first year of my PEing (and so, were I to have taken this survey back then, I’d be useful in the way I’m describing)…

Understood. This is what I forsaw, and figured we would have to do. I didn’t know if you had something up your sleeve to to control for this “flawed method.” But I agree, IF we have enough participants, then we should have enough data to build theories on which exercises are “best.” To build enough data, we are going to have to leave it open for a certain amount of time. We haven’t discussed this as of yet, but what are you guys thinking? The last survey was open for three months. I propose at least three months, but I would prefer it to be open for six.
Furthermore, what is your guess on how many participants we will need/should have.

Originally Posted by Para
I’ve always been skeptical that heat does anything, myself, so I wouldn’t focus on it so much, but some others, such as the programmer, think it’s a very important topic of inquiry, so I do think we need to retain those questions, assumign taht some guys do wwarm up for any given exercise. The programmer has actually asked that I add a bit more detail about heat; you’ll see what I mean in the next revision.

It is definetly an important topic of inquiry, especially with the results of the last survey. My question is: do you, or the programmer think that heat works for seperate exercises, and not others? Personally, I don’t have any theories, nor have I seen anything that supports that idea, so I think it would be much easier to add it to the “Additional PE-related Variables section.” However, possibly heat helps with girth squeezes and it doesn’t with manual stretches? Is that what you guys thinking? If you do, then that is fine, go ahead and leave the questions — we might find some useful information.

Originally Posted by Para
4. I don’t really understand this question myself — how it could be addresssed in survey form. I think the best bet here may be to incorporate a simple subjective yes-or-no questions: “After hanging sessions, have you tended to notice a short-term increase in your length?” I’ve never noticed such a phenomenon myself. Is this what you’re trying to get at? We could do a simple comparison of whether those who notice such a phenomenon from hanging gain more, long-term, than those who don’t…

I have never experienced this pehnemomen either. I think it was Modesto that wanted this question to be answered. I will get him in here and see what he has to say.

Originally Posted by Para
I don’t understand. The current survey draft probes changes in both quality and angle of erection. How is “level” different from angle or quality?

I agree with you on the other questions in this section not being necessary. But I do want to incorporate a simple subjective questions about flaccid gains into the next survey draft, since guys will be curious about whether any particular exercises seem to lead to better flaccid gains. I dont’ think objective quesions here are worthwhile, since it’s impossible to provide a very accurate measure of one’s flaccid penis size (at least for most guys).


The level of erection was an error — don’t know where it came from. Remember, the “question we want answers too,” were posted by many members a few weeks ago, I was just “reposting” their questions.

Regarding the flaccid question, I completelty agree. In fact, I was going to add a flaccid question today. I am glad to see you already did it.

Originally Posted by Para
Aren’t we doing in-depth editing right now?


Change the word editing to “overview.” Basically, an overview is one big check by me, you, xeno, Thunder, and whoever else has been tagging along, making sure everything clicks, and the wording is “perfect” — or at least close to it.

Originally Posted by Para
I PMed some guys a day or two ago to ask for input on the drafts. I think most guys are too busy right now to contribute much.


I agree. I think we should have some guys look at the final draft, when it is finished.

Originally Posted by Para
Things are coming along pretty well, in my opinion. I’m glad we’re adding more details. I was getting tired of working on this thing, but it’d be a shame to let my laziness affect the quality of this survey, since it will take many months hereafter to begin collecting enough data to analyze, then many hours to do a lot of good analyses. A few days of less sleep is no big sacrifice for this thing.

Para, if I knew how to do similies, I would give you a big thumbs up right now. It has been a pleasure working with you on this survey, and I have learned quite a bit myself. I like how we do things. I hope we can continue this bond as the project goes on.

Originally Posted by xeno
How about: “Of the time between when you started PE (at your pre-PE size) and now (at your current size), what percentage has been spent in break?”

This is a great idea, and although it doesn’t directly aim at punctuated PE, I think it is the best its going to get via a survey. BTW xeno, if we get shirts, then you should definetly get one too.

Now, onto the survey… I am going to put it all into wiki now. This will make it easier for us to edit the small stuff, and see where the changes are being made. If you change something, please post in this thread what you changed. We will continue discussion in here, and edit the survey in wiki.


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Originally Posted by xenolith
Looking in the mirror, T? :)

T is actually 8 mods here.
WestLA - when he wants to be straight and to the point.
ModestoMan - when he wants to bring the intelligent side out of him
SS4Jelq - when he wants to tease himself (Thunder)
hobby - when he wants to fight for gun-activists
memento - when he wants to be witty (have you seen his poll-voting thread titles)
and two others that I am not allowed to discuss…

The doc says he has split personal ties. I say he is just “multi-culturaled.”


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Originally Posted by remek

This is a great idea, and although it doesn’t directly aim at punctuated PE, I think it is the best its going to get via a survey.

I think so too.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

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Originally Posted by remek
The last survey was open for three months. I propose at least three months, but I would prefer it to be open for six.

Furthermore, what is your guess on how many participants we will need/should have.

I suspect we’ll need to leave this poll going for many months. Maybe a year or more. I don’t know. I see no rush at all. I’d like at least 1,000 participants. I know that’s a rather ambitious figure. Whatever happens, happens.

Originally Posted by remek
My question is: do you, or the programmer think that heat works for seperate exercises, and not others?

My impression is that guys think heat is especially important for stretching & hanging. Hence my inclusion of extra questions for those two exercises (degree of heat). If I’m wrong about what heat purportedly matters for, I hope someone will speak up.

Originally Posted by remek
I have never experienced this pehnemomen either. I think it was Modesto that wanted this question to be answered. I will get him in here and see what he has to say.

Hmmm. I hope he can clarify what is meant here.

Originally Posted by remek
I think we should have some guys look at the final draft, when it is finished.

Well if it were finished, their opinions wouldn’t matter much, would they? (:

Originally Posted by remek
Para, if I knew how to do similies, I would give you a big thumbs up right now.

Thanks man :) I hope that bit about sacrificing sleep didn’t sound too self-aggrandizing. It comes off that way, reading it now. I was just sleep-deprived when writing it, of course (:

Originally Posted by remek
I am going to put it all into wiki now. This will make it easier for us to edit the small stuff, and see where the changes are being made. If you change something, please post in this thread what you changed. We will continue discussion in here, and edit the survey in wiki.

I would really strongly prefer to keep it all in this thread. I don’t have time right now to learn to use Wiki properly — I still get very frustrated every time I try to use it. It seems that the way we’re doing this currently is going okay. Now that the major organizational changes have been implemented, I don’t think that adding more questions will be a big nuisance…

Originally Posted by remek
WestLA - when he wants to be straight

:funpost:

Regarding how long we will leave the survey open:
I don’t think we should set a certain time in stone. Here is why: If we say “hey guys this survey will be open for a year,” half the men here will procrastinate and say ah… I’ll do it later. We should have a general idea of how long we will keep it open — but nothing pronounced for the world to see (unless they read this forum, which most won’t). You say a year, which I don’t find too bad, I say 6 months. 1000 participants isn’t a bad goal. I received 1000 participants in my last survey, in less than three months, without any incentive or reward. I think in 6 months we will have 2,000. Just a guess, but I think it is an attainable goal.

Regarding the heat questions:

Originally Posted by PG
My impression is that guys think heat is especially important for stretching & hanging. Hence my inclusion of extra questions for those two exercises (degree of heat). If I’m wrong about what heat purportedly matters for, I hope someone will speak up.

Court adjourned, the questions stay.

Originally Posted by PG
I was just sleep-deprived when writing it, of course

That is only the beginning, I am a slave driver. I’ll make sure you get enough sleep … . when you die ;)

Originally Posted by PG
I would really strongly prefer to keep it all in this thread. I don’t have time right now to learn to use Wiki properly — I still get very frustrated every time I try to use it. It seems that the way we’re doing this currently is going okay. Now that the major organizational changes have been implemented, I don’t think that adding more questions will be a big nuisance…

That is understandable. I sometimes dislike wiki and its format. For some reason, you have to “double space” for it to space at all. I hate that. I’ll tell you what, since I just added everything to wiki. I am going to make some changes via wiki. Everything I change, I will also note in here, for everyone to see. You guys don’t have to use wiki at all. When you change something, or add thoughts and ideas, we can do as we have been — noting it in here.
I will continually update our notes and changes into wiki. Once our survey version is finished, we can all “overview” the final version, making sure everything is perfect. After that, I will gather some opinions of the whole final draft.


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